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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:18 PM
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Clinton Strategist Penn's Memo: Why We're Best Positioned to Take On McCain
Chief Strategist for Hillary Clinton, Mark Penn (YOU'LL RECALL THAT HE IS CEO OF THE FIRM THAT DOES PR FOR BLACKWATER) has released this memo:


Clinton Memo: Why We're Best Positioned To Take On McCain
02 Feb 2008 03:09 pm
Read it and tell me -- do you think Clinton or Obama would be a better candidate against JSM?

To: Interested Parties
From: Mark Penn, Chief Strategist
Date: Saturday, February 2, 2008
Re: Hillary is the Democrat to Beat McCain
If John McCain becomes the Republican nominee, Hillary is the Democrat who can beat him -- because she has the strength and experience a president needs to get America on the right course and to defend it against future threats. She is the hands-on leader that America needs as we slip into a worsening economic crisis. Her ability to be both a strong commander-in-chief and steward of the economy are what make her the favorite against Sen. McCain.

Sen. Obama has been telling voters that he is the one to beat Sen. McCain because he gave a speech against the war in 2002 and because he is currently attracting independent voters. But those arguments don’t hold up to current polling, to history or to what is likely to happen in a general election.

First, there is no support to Sen. Obama’s assertion that his 2002 speech makes him a stronger choice in a general election. Recent history shows that voters look to who they believe can end a war and protect us against future wars. No one believes that if Hillary had been president she would have started the war. In fact, Hillary is backed by prominent anti-war leaders because they believe she is uniquely able to end the war responsibly.

Based on recent polls, there is nothing to support Sen. Obama's arguments about his prospective performance against Sen. McCain – both Sen. Obama and Hillary start off within the margin of error against Sen. McCain.Yesterday's Fox poll showed both in a statistical tie with Sen. McCain And Hillary's negatives are fully factored in, whereas the same cannot be said of Sen. Obama because he is – by his own admission - not as well known.

-snip
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/clinton_memo_why_were_best_pos.php

PENN IS A POLLSTER SO WE SHOULD PAY HEED TO HIS POLLING RIGHT? WRONG! LOOK HOW HIS FIRM ATTEMPTED TO UNDERMINE DEMOCRACY FOR ONE OF HIS CLIENTS, AN OPPONENT TO CHAVEZ (FROM 2004):


In August, exit polling figured in a bitter fight in Venezuela over what amounted to competing landslides for and against a recall of the sitting president, Hugo Chávez, a socialist with ties to Fidel Castro.

The recall's proponents sponsored an exit poll, supervised by Penn, Schoen & Berland, an American firm whose clients have included Bill Clinton and Michael Bloomberg. Sometime before the polls closed on Aug. 15, Penn, Schoen reported that 59 percent of Venezuelan voters had said yes to throwing the president out of office.

A few hours later, the official count, by an election commission under Mr. Chávez's control, declared him the winner, with 58 percent of the total. Both the Organization of American States and the Carter Center, the Atlanta-based human rights organization founded by Jimmy Carter, said that their observers had seen no irregularities at the polls. In response to the exit poll, they called for a random audit at selected polling stations and again found nothing suspicious.

Mr. Schoen acknowledged in an interview that the poll's field workers were recruited by a group that helped organize the recall, but he said the volunteers had been trained to conduct the poll professionally, and that his firm would have no reason to put its reputation at risk by participating in a fraudulent poll. The recall's supporters continue to believe the election was stolen.

-snip

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/weekinreview/17plis.html?_r=2&fta=y&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:24 PM
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1. You gotta be kiddin'!
They called an election wrong.

That's undermining a democracy?

:shrug:

--p!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:33 PM
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2. Damn right I believe Penn is underming democracy. Just read this:
Penn, who had previously worked in the business world for companies like Texaco and Eli Lilly, brought his corporate ideology to the White House. After moving to Washington he aggressively expanded his polling firm, Penn, Schoen & Berland (PSB). It was said that Penn was the only person who could get Bill Clinton and Bill Gates on the same phone line. Penn's largest client was Microsoft, and he saw no contradiction between working for both the plaintiff and the defense in what was at the time the country's largest antitrust case. A variety of controversial clients enlisted PSB. The firm defended Procter and Gamble's Olestra from charges that it caused anal leakage, blamed Texaco's bankruptcy on greedy jurors and market-tested genetically modified foods for Monsanto. Penn invented the concept of "inoculation," in which corporations are shielded from scandal through clever advertising and marketing. Selling an image, companies realized, was as important as winning a legislative favor.

Burson-Marsteller is hardly a natural fit for a prominent Democrat. The firm has represented everyone from the Argentine military junta to Union Carbide after the 1984 Bhopal disaster in India, in which thousands were killed when toxic fumes were released by one of its plants, to Royal Dutch Shell, which has been accused of massive human rights violations in Nigeria. B-M pioneered the use of pseudo-grassroots front groups, known as "astroturfing," to wage stealth corporate attacks against environmental and consumer organizations. It set up the National Smokers Alliance on behalf of Philip Morris to fight tobacco regulation in the early 1990s. Its current clients include major players in the finance, pharmaceutical and energy industries. In 2006, with Penn at the helm, the company gave 57 percent of its campaign contributions to Republican candidates.

A host of prominent Republicans fall under Penn's purview. B-M's Washington lobbying arm, BKSH & Associates, is run by Charlie Black, a leading GOP operative who maintains close ties to the White House, including Karl Rove, and was former partners with Lee Atwater, the political consultant who crafted the Willie Horton smear campaign used by George H.W. Bush against Michael Dukakis in 1988. Black regularly disparages the Clintons; he has called Hillary a "martyr figure" and said Bill "tearfully embraced...government preferences for homosexual lifestyle." In recent years Black's clients have included the likes of Iraq's Ahmad Chalabi, the darling of the neocon right in the run-up to the war; Lockheed Martin; and Occidental Petroleum. In the summer of 2005 he landed a contract with the Lincoln Group, the disgraced PR firm that covertly placed US military propaganda in Iraqi news outlets. The agreement, according to Intelligence Online, allowed the Lincoln Group to "tap into BKSH's extensive contacts in the Republican administration." When asked by The New Yorker if there was too much cronyism in Iraq, Black responded, "I just wish I could find the cronies."

-SNIP
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070521/berman
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:40 PM
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5. That's not about the election in Venezuela
It's a "kitchen sink" piece of sloppy investigative journalism.

I used to work for Merck pharma. I worked with the Vioxx scientific documentation division. That doesn't mean I participated in the Vioxx cover-up. And neither did my later employers.

--p!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:36 PM
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3. Oh & btw, he isn't the only Clinton crony. Read this on Carville:
-snip

I saw a documentary that blew me away today but I don't mean in a good way. It was called Our Brand is Crisis, about how the firm of Carville, Greenberg and Shrum (as in James Ragin' Cajun Carville and Bob $5 million man Shrum) travel around the world meddling in political situations they know little about for fun and profit when they're not busy losing Presidential elections.

The film takes place in the Bolivian election of 2002, when Carville et. al. convinced the Bolivian people they needed to elect Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada, aka Goni, an American-born candidate who speaks Spanish with an accent and who had failed miserably once before as President during the 90s. He is elected by the thinnest of margins, only to be forced to resign 14 months later amid riots that left 100 people dead.

-snip
http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2005/04/million-dollar-assholes-carville-shrum.html
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:41 PM
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6. BTW, mod...TPM link to Carville sabotaging Ohio voters and Kerry has been scrubbed.
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 11:41 PM by blm
And scrubbed in the last two days.


http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

Check it out - it was a live link just two days ago.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:14 AM
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17. They just switched over to a new system and have been having some problems.
I'll email Josh and ask what's up. Thanks for the info, blm.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:39 PM
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4. Penn-Blackwater shows YOU DON'T CARE about any of this stuff anyway
so why don't you just admit that you're for the continuation of closed government and stop trying to rebut this stuff as if you really believe Hillary is a NOT the protector of closed government fascists we KNOW she is and that her husband's record proves.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:47 PM
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7. Because now you are a malicious gossip
I'm supposed to buy into the lazy argument that by knowing someone, you are culpable for their crimes? Or else you're a bad person?

Are you really that callow and gullible?

No leftist could survive that kind of scrutiny, either. It's an easy little game to play and the cocktail-party set on both sides of the aisle play it well.

Let's see who the new messiah has behind him ... the coal industry? A nuclear company that tried to hide leaks? An anti-gay bigot?

"Fascists". You sound like a 17-year-old that lost the use of the car for being caught with some weed.

--p!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:51 PM
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8. Yeah - Mr Indonesian earthquake knows a political battle over the last 7yrs when he sees one and
comes here to lecture those of us who have actually READ the National Security Archives over the last thirty years and the congressional record.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:53 PM
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9. ?
:shrug:

--p!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:00 AM
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12. We just HAD this exchange not too long ago....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4373490&mesg_id=4373592

The Indonesian earthquake was YOUR idea of a serious battle against Bush-Rove that Clinton MACHINE took on the last 7 yrs.

LOL
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:11 AM
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15. There is a pattern of who Penn's firm represents and it's the powerful against the people.
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 08:52 AM by mod mom
I guess you don't have a problem with this type of "spin", but some of us who think this corporatism is seriously hurting the nation and those among us who haven't the financial ability to fight back, certainly do.

I believe we should look at the people with which a candidate surrounds themselves as a barometer as to what we can except from their administration. Do you really want some die hard corporatists willing to spin Blackwater as an asset to this nation? or Union Carbide as a good world citizen? I don't.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:55 PM
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10. dupe!
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 11:56 PM by Katzenkavalier
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:55 PM
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11. Penn the Jerk is wrong again.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:00 AM
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13. From the NYT link, regarding the Global Strategy Group -- looks like
former vice-president of PSB, Mitchell E. Markel, formed that group. Anyway, he sued PSB "for infringing on his privacy through reading e-mails..."!

Co-worker Relations Have Impact on Client’s Trust

According to PRWeek.com, Mitchell Markel, former VP of Penn, Schoen & Berland, a polling firm, has filed a lawsuit against the firm for infringing on his privacy through reading e-mails. Markel claims these were not just e-mails through his account with PSB, but that they were also monitoring his personal Yahoo account and his account at his new firm, Global Insights & Strategies. PSB was allegedly sending blind copies of all his e-mails to a fake e-mail account registered in Markel’s name.

Associates at PSB deny these claims, and say they can monitor his PSB account and feel his is only filing a countersuit to get back at them as they had filed a lawsuit against him and other former associates for soliciting clients from PSB. Since, a restraining order has been put on former PSB employees from soliciting futher clients from the firm.

~snip~

http://kmhagler.prblogs.org/2007/07/07/co-worker-relations-have-impact-on-clients-trust/

Clinton's Chief Strategist Is Accused of Illegal Eavesdropping

By Sara Kugler
Associated Press
Wednesday, July 4, 2007; A06

NEW YORK, July 3 -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's chief strategist is being accused of illegal eavesdropping in a lawsuit that alleges he and his polling firm monitored the personal e-mails of a former associate who started a rival company.

Mitchell E. Markel, a former vice president at Penn, Schoen & Berland, claims in the lawsuit that the firm began monitoring all messages sent from his personal BlackBerry device nearly a month after he had resigned and become president of his new business. The suit claims that Mark Penn, who is Clinton's chief strategist and pollster, knew about and approved of the monitoring, which the suit says violates federal wiretapping laws.
~snip~


More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/03/AR2007070302069.html
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:13 AM
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16. Thanks for the links, Emit-I hadn't heard this before.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:11 AM
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14. Mark Penn thinks Clinton the better candidate? LOL
Well I should hope he does or find another job.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:24 AM
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18. Mark Penn is the number 1 reason why I prefer Obama.
The more I learn about Hillary's "Chief Strategist" Mark Penn, the less I trust the Clintons.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/29/AR2007042901661_pf.html
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