Clinton EARNED her support through work, discipline.Obama was AWARDED his for reading speeches well.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

Clinton's work horse show horse analogy fits.

One candidate earned support through work and discipline, the other one has an empty, inconsistent, and dishonest record but read speeches well enough that the emotionally susceptible swooned and ignored all evidence trickling out about flip flopping, opportunism, "pushed the wrong button" dishonesty, and Rezko corruption.

The difference couldn't be starker.

[kurth]

1. Good observation

Obama is a fortunate state senator. Reminds me of that fortunate son.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

5. "David Axelrod's lab project"

[psychopomp]

37. So...Sen. Obama got "preferential treatment?"

As opposed to Sen. Clinton, who got the job based on her merits? Where have I heard this before?

Oh, yeah, from "conservatives" against Affirmative Action.

Sen. Obama was given a free ride? I do not think so.

On edit: so you are basically saying that Sen. Clinton was right when she said that Sen. Obama hasn't done the necessary "SPADE work." Am I right?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

2. A little short of the required quota for this evening?

[graywarrior]

3. Emotionally susceptible?

My my my.

[Jed Dilligan]

4. Proud2B EARNED our disrespect through posting, posting

and never substantiating its random, irrelevant thoughts.

[Redstone]

11. And posting, posting, and posting, about every molecule that Obama ever breathed, and

how there was something wrong with Obama having breathed in that molecule.

It's getting boring.

Redstone

[dailykoff]

6. Forget it, it's a lost cause.

Roseanne is no match for John, Caroline, Teddy, Patrick, Maria, Oprah, Joan, and everybody else who matters!

[MercutioATC]

7. "Earned".....interesting choce of words....

Unfortunately, U.S. politics are disproportionately influenced by corporate interests who reward their legislative lackeys.

Yes, HRC has "earned" her support...

[truedelphi]

12. And the game point is awarded to...

Mercutio

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. "...empty, inconsistent, and dishonest record ..."

You do know that Obama's and Hillary's vote record in the time they've shared in the senate is virtually identical, don't you?

EDIT -

Of course, she DID vote for K/L -- Four More Wars! Four More Wars!

[NJSecularist]

9. Clinton earned her support by marrying Bill

[Azathoth]

10. Hillary earned her support by marrying the right guy n/t

[earthside]

22. That was my thought.

Hillary married the right MAN.

That's how she earned her support?

But, really, talk about your politics of personal destruction. Where in the original post was anything but an ad hominem attack?

Obama supporters can be snarky, too, but I've never seen anything quite like the meanness that is coming from the Clinton(s) supporters.

And they don't seem to have much of a sense of humor either.

[Azathoth]

26. It's understandable -- they expected the primaries to be nothing but a formality

A two month coronation. Now their world is falling apart. Nearly all of the Obama supporters I've seen -- even the assholes -- seem genuinely inspired by their candidate. The same can not be said of many Hillaryites. Deep down, I think they realize their candidate is neither inspiring nor wholly honest, and they've resigned themselves to fact that their only chance is to crush the hope and enthusiasm that Obama inspires by tearing him down to Hillary's level.

[Egnever]

13. Well thats a bit of a stretch.

She owes a ton of her support to name recognition, through being bills wife. I am sure theres a lot of earned support there as well.

Doesnt matter how either of them get their support though its who has more in the end. Tuesday is gonna be a wild ass rollercoaster.

[smoogatz]

14. Jealous, much?

I guess I can understand your bitterness: Hillary really does disappear into the woodwork next to Obama. Until you see Obama speak, you don't really realize how utterly without charisma Hillary is.

[billbuckhead]

17. Hillary dominated the last debate and made Obama look like a novice

[Alexander]

18. Please. Hillary couldn't answer any question about Iraq. She got owned.

[billbuckhead]

30. Obama has the same record as Hillary about Iraq since he joined the senate

Obama's greatest vote is the one he didn't have to make?

[smoogatz]

42. He opposed the war going in. So did 23 sitting senators,

including 22 Democrats and one Republican.

Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Chafee (R-RI), Nay
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Corzine (D-NJ), Nay
Dayton (D-MN), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Graham (D-FL), Nay
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Wellstone (D-MN), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Nay

Funny—I don't see Hillary anywhere on this list. On second thought, it's not really all that funny.

[candice]

15. Reagan was a B-actor and came across great on TV...

...that's what the American public love. Who cares if they are paupers and their country is sold to the highest bidder.

One never goes broke underestimating the taste of the American public!

[MoonRiver]

16. Your OP title, in a nutshell, describes why I support Hillary Clinton.

And also why I consider Obama a total pretender.

[scheming daemons]

19. Hillary "earned" her support by saying "I do".....

...she's only a Senator because her husband got a blow job in the White House and America (especially New York) felt sorry for her.

[Fredda Weinberg]

23. Oh no ... we don't invite losers to become our Senators. n/t

[Sanctified]

20. And don't forget being married to one of the post popular Presidents. n/t

[Hippo_Tron]

21. For the last time, you DO NOT EARN the presidency

You win it.

[Triana]

24. a snarky sexist comment from timesonline.co.uk:

(sic) "Hillary will have survived the primary, Obama will have won it"

NO reason for such a remark. WHOEVER WINS the primary - WON the primary. EVEN if it's Hillary (even though she is "just" a woman).

sheesh.

Oh. And I agree with your OP. I'm still undecided between them, but I think Obama is far too deified for his dreamy poetic prose - and we're learning that at least in SOME cases - there ain't nothin behind it. Maybe same with Hillary too but she isn't so deified as Obama for dreamy oratory.

[pingzing58]

25. Hillary's experience over Obama's rhetorical finnesse. I'll take the former.

George Bush appealled to the "Angry White Male" with his "Cowboy Diplomacy" and rhetoric:

"There are some who feel like that the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is bring them on," Bush said. "We've got the force necessary to deal with the security situation."

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said Bush's combative tone was not meant to invite attacks on Americans. "I think what the president was expressing there is his confidence in the men and women of the military to handle the military mission they still remain in the middle of," Fleischer said.

But Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., called the president's language "irresponsible and inciteful."

"I am shaking my head in disbelief," Lautenberg said. "When I served in the Army in Europe during World War II, I never heard any military commander — let alone the commander in chief — invite enemies to attack U.S. troops."

Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., said, "I have a message for the president: enough of the phony, macho rhetoric."

USA Today: Posted 7/2/2003 11:47 AM Updated 7/2/2003 9:07 PM

I'll look to your actions and not to your words!

[MadBadger]

27. If Obama was awarded for readhing speeches, then she got support by being first lady.

[Danger Mouse]

Ugh. Don't you get tired of spamming the boards with your crap all the time?

[ProSense]

28. Here:

PDF

2006 Congressional Scorecard

Best and Worst U.S. Senators for Children

The average Senate score for children was 48 percent. There were 26 Senators who scored 100% and 23 Senators who scored 0%.

Best U.S. Senators for Children

Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-HI) 100%
Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN) 100%
Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE) 100%
Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) 100%
Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI) 100%
Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND) 100%
Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-CT) 100%
Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND) 100%
Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL) 100%
Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) 100%
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) 100%
Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-HI) 100%
Sen. James Jeffords (I-VT) 100%
Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA) 100%
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) 100%
Sen. Herbert Kohl (D-WI) 100%
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) 100%
Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) 100%
Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) 100%
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) 100%
Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) 100%
Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) 100%
Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) 100%
Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) 100%
Sen. Paul Sarbanes (D-MD) 100%
Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) 100%

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D) 90%

Key Senate 2006 Children’s Votes (PDF, Clinton voted for number 1):

1 Senate’s Tax Cuts for the Wealthy
2 Congress’s Tax Cuts for the Wealthy
3 Paying for Tax Cuts
4 Increasing Education Funding
5 Increasing Education and Health Care Funding
6 Helping with Heating Costs
7 FY 2007 Budget Resolution
8 Estate Tax Repeal
9 Increasing the Minimum Wage
10 Minimum Wage and Estate Tax Reduction

Roll Call Vote

Kate Michelman: Why I'm Endorsing Barack Obama

[chascarrillo]

29. Keep hate alive!

[stillrockin]

31. Are you effin kidding me?!

This is the sort of b.s. that makes Clinton supporters look like horses' asses instead of like fightin' donkeys.

[flordehinojos]

32. my lense clicks right in with what you are seeing P2BMurkin ... too bad too many people are being

taken in by an opportunistic guy... and it is not the first time (they were previously taken in by the bushes... and will continue to be taken in again, and again, and again). as the saying goes, fool me once shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me. the man wearing the opportunistic suit this time may be different than is the current one in the white house ... the manipulation is the same.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

33. Oh, is that how Illinois elect's there state and national senators? nt

[Kahuna]

34. A lot of people who have worked harder than Clinton won't get

to be president either. What's your point? :shrug:

[Imagevision]

35. Flat out?! - Obama is more intelligent then Hillary and she showed it on recent debate...

[Vinca]

36. Well, it's a shame the Republicans have a wage garnishment

commercial in the can, isn't it? She blew the general election yesterday.

[shayes51]

38. yes

[workinclasszero]

39. Earned it at Walmart???

Did Hillary "earn" her support when she sat on the board of Walmart? The most virulent anti-union, anti-worker slave drivers in modern AmeriKa???

Yeah she really "earned" a lot there, didn't she?:sarcasm: :puke:

[JVS]

40. Obama rose to national prominence by getting elected and speaking well. Clinton through her marriage

[sfam]

41. Is this a "Work Smarter" not "Work Harder" thread? So Obama is working smarter?

OK, so Obama can get ahead by (supposedly) doing less than Hillary. Cool, this just points to his better judgment.