To the cynics:

[FightTheRight89]

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[bidenista]

1. you are the same people who drank kool-aid in jonestown

Seriously, accusing your opponents of being the same people who didn't want to end slavery or fight fascism? Do you have any idea how stupid and cultist that sounds?

[FightTheRight89]

4. I'm not accusing you of that.

I'm sure you want it just as much as I do.
But you don't believe it can happen.

[AGirl]

2. Yes She *CAN*

[scheming daemons]

7. Difference between Obama and Clinton... illustrated right here by a Clintonista....

Obama's campaign is about ALL of us... hence... Yes *WE* Can.

Hillary's campaign is about HER...and her feeling of entitlement to the Presidency.... hence... Yes *SHE* can.


Obama focuses on what's best for all of America.... Hillary focuses on what's best for her.


Thanks for illustrating the difference so clearly with the changing of one word.

[AGirl]

9. *She* Embodies the womankind, for me.

[stillrockin]

20. what you said.

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. Arguing for "Hope" is the oldest & cheapest debate tactic on the books.

Doesn't surprise me that the under 30 crowd would fall for it though.

[jwirr]

16. Indeed we fell for it in the 60s & 70s and we did not even fully

understand the grip the corporations held over us yet. Nor did we have the in-depth understanding of world-wide problems such as global warming and a national debt that is strangling us already.

Many of us have worked for years to end problems like hunger and poverty only to see it get worse not only in developing nations but also right here at home. If we are discouraged it is because even when we had someone in office who cared about these issues what progress we made just seemed to be a drop in the bucket. So you are telling us that we can take on these national and international problems with no money left in the pot and it is all going to be accomplished by hope?

We need hope but we also need reality. The fight is going to be long and hard regardless of who is the president. Those of us you claim to have been against all those events will still be fighting long after the next president is no longer in office not because we hope but because we know it is the right thing to do. We just are not jumping up and down in a victory dance simply because we hear hope and change are just around the corner.

[CatnHat]

21. "Change" "Hope"

is the oldest and cheapest debate tactic on the books. . . Worth repeating and repeating. . . and here I thought 'kool-aid' crowd was on its way out with GWB and company...looks like the Obama "herd" is following suit. Sad. Must be "peer" thing.

[The_Casual_Observer]

23. He's on to it. Perhaps he found himself on the wrong side of a "Hope"

debate when he was in the 6th grade & it sunk in.

[HughMoran]

5. Oh, jeez - another rambling "rah rah" post

This is getting tiresome :(

[quinnox]

6. laying it on a bit thick

Just because don't support Obama doesn't equate to slave holders or those against man on moon mission.

[billbuckhead]

10. I don't understand why electing a woman isn't more important than electing a black?

[FightTheRight89]

12. Neither is important in itself.

I don't think anyone should vote for Obama simply because he's black. I also don't think anyone should vote for Clinton because she's a woman.

[FightTheRight89]

13. Did you read what I wrote?

I'm curious, because it seems like you didn't and just made a snide remark.

[mondo joe]

8. Did you just repurpose some high school valedictorian speech?

?

[FightTheRight89]

11. Yes, I did.

I just copied and pasted. You caught me.

[BlueStateGirl]

14. It is out of line to say he is a false messiah? WTH? Does that

mean , he is in fact, the messiah?


I resent this post and it's implication that if one supports Sen. Clinton instead of Sen. Obama that they are hopless defeatists.

And That some how Obama supporters are the direct decsendents of the founding fathers, aboltionists, pioneers, and the GIs that stormed Omaha beach. GMAB.

[Dogmudgeon]

15. Suddenly, I'm feeling very, very cold.

Mass rallies.
Large groups of people chanting slogans in unison.
Repetitive-phrase speeches.
Emotional frenzy.
Identification with the leader.
A bandwagon that the media and party establishment jumps on.
Constant use of the word "we".
Messianic fervor.
Appeals to unity, organicism, the nation as a surrogate family.
Appeals to feelings, denigration of deliberative thought.
Invocation of will, desire, magical thinking.

--p!

[LadyVT]

18. Yes, very cold.

I also don't appreciate being insulted by being called a "cynic" when I disagree. Reminds me of being called "unpatriotic" and a "traitor" when I opposed the war.

[FightTheRight89]

17. Well sorry if my post sounded a little fascist.

I just hope for the future and see that in Barack Obama and hate hearing WE CAN'T.

But yeah, fuck hope.

[sandnsea]

22. It's terrible you felt you had to delete that

There was nothing fascist about that post at all. These people are sick in the head haters. They just want to tear something down, anything down. They've been wanting to tear something down since the 60's. Ignore them. The rest of us know the power is in building up and bringing together. Yes We Can!

[LadyVT]

24. Fascism is...

... an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers the individual subordinate to the interests of the state, party or society as a whole. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, racial, religious attributes. The key attribute of fascism is intolerance of others: other religions, languages, political views, economic systems, cultural practices, etc." (Wikipedia)

When you call me a "sick in the head hater," you are demonstrating intolerance of another's political view. When you say, "they just want to tear something down, anything down," you are, again, demonstrating intolerance of another group's political view. You are good. We are bad, and we thereby justify our contempt for you. That is the basis of fascism.

(And just so you know... a large component of Obama's base is White men who were "trying to tear something down" in the 60s).

[sandnsea]

25. No, they were trying to build up

I am not intolerant of anybody trying to build up, not even Hillary's supporters. But there are none of that type of person in this thread. This thread is full of haters who demonstrated INTOLERANCE OF ANOTHER'S POLITICAL VIEW and intimidated the OP into deleting a very beautiful post. It's disgusting and sick in the head.

[goldcanyonaz]

19. Oh my...