Hillary's Iraq War Vote Problem Resolved

[pathansen]

1. As has been repeatedly explained, Congress never actually authorized the war. They only gave Bush power to use force to stop Saddan Hussien with more military inspections, etc. Bush misused the power he was given.
2. Edwards, Kerry and many other Democrats voted for the same bill as Hillary.
3. They did this because they were repeatedly all lied to by the Bush Administration.
4. Obama could not have been able to vote for or against this bill because he was not even a U.S. Senator at the time. So we do not know for sure how he would have voted if he had been subjected to the same propaganda as the other senators.

[maddiejoan]

1. Bingo!

Here's your Kewpie Doll!

[Dogmudgeon]

2. She pressed the wrong button

And it was sticking, anyway.

--p!

[pathansen]

5. That was Obama's excuse

[Jamastiene]

3. Bingo! Apples to oranges.

[sandnsea]

4. Hillary relied on Clinton Administration intelligence

That's why she can't get away with saying she was lied to by the Bushies, and hasn't made that case. She simply says the whole world thought Iraq had WMD and she can't imagine how everyone was so wrong.

[avaistheone1]

7. Actually the Intelligence Report for the Iraq War was prepared under the Bush administration-

I am reading Valerie Plame's book right now.

[sandnsea]

9. Well she didn't read that anyway

And Valerie Plame believed all the intelligence too. She was in a position to know better as well. Her husband was one in the Clinton Administration. They all have their connections to find out anything that's going on currently. They believed their own intelligence sources so they can't hardly turn around now and say Bush lied. That's the problem.

Edwards said he relied on the Clinton people too.

[pathansen]

12. Have you been listening to Fox News?

We all heard the many talks given by Cheney,Rice, even Colin P. about the urgency to go to war, the weapons of mass destruction, Saddan's ties with Alqeda, mushroom cloud, etc. that turned out to be phoney. Then the lie that was in Bush's SOU address.
It was quite obvious that the Bush ADm. wanted very much to go to war w/Iraq.
Paul ONeil said it was Bush's top priority when he first entered the Oval Office.

[sandnsea]

14. I heard those same arguments from the Clintons

and all the people who were in Bill Clinton's administration.

Did you miss Bill saying we ought to give George a pass on the yellowcake lie because everybody makes mistakes??

[Tennessee Gal]

20. You don't confuse yourself with facts, do you.

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[MadBadger]

13. Watch who your accusing, cuz what your saying is Bullshit

[tularetom]

6. In Bill Clinton world

Democrats must prove how tough they are on national security by voting for every half assed republican proposal that gets put forth. Otherwise the voters will think they are unpatriotic wussies. That's the thought process Hillary was going through in 2002. And again several years later when she co sponsored an asinine flag burning prohibition.

She simply lacked the courage to do what she knew in her heart was right. And she did so because her husband and his DINO buddies told her so. We don't need this kind of thinking in the white house.

[VotesForWomen]

10. 4 is the most important one. all evidence is that O would have voted yes had he been there. nt

[LadyVT]

11. Obama's words on this

"So it’s not clear to me what differences we’ve had since I’ve been in the Senate. I think what people might point to is our different assessments of the war in Iraq, although I’m always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn’t have the benefit of U.S. intelligence. And, for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices. So that might be something that sort of is obvious. But, again, we were in different circumstances at that time: I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test."

"Not only was the idea of an invasion increasingly popular, but on the merits I didn't consider the case against war to be cut-and- dried." <"Audacity of Hope," 2006, p. 294>

[Fredda Weinberg]

15. K & R

[anamandujano]

16. "so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea"

Thanks for posting those words.

He really doesn't have a leg to stand on with this issue. It would have been a different story had he not voted to fund the war repeatedly.

[Tennessee Gal]

21. Thanks for posting this.

Will Obama supporters accept his own words?

[pampango]

17. Presidential amibitions make all the difference.

1. Congress gave Bush permission to invade Iraq, but did not force him to do so. Of course, you can argue that giving someone permission to do something is not the same thing as telling them to do it, but it's not the same as forbidding it, either.

2. Edwards, Kerry, Biden and Dodd (Democratic senators who have all since run for president) did indeed vote with Clinton. They were indeed lied to and "fooled" by Bush. Of course, Wellstone, Kennedy, Feingold and Boxer, among others, were also lied to by Bush, yet somehow saw through the lies and spin and voted against the IWR. That indicates to me that future presidential ambitions might have motivated the first group to prove they were not "soft of defense" - a favorite Republican accusation of the day (and now). Statistically it is odd to me that all of our senators who ran for president were "fooled" and none of those who weren't fooled have since run for president.

3. See 2.

4. If Obama had been in the Senate and had presidential ambitions, he probably would have voted with the others saying "yes" to Bush. Since he wasn't there and says he would have voted "no", we will never know for sure. We'll we can each think we "know", but we can never really know.

[AtomicKitten]

18. Hillary called the IWR, a bill entitled Authorization To Use Force in Iraq, "diplomacy."

She is as credible as Condaleezza Rice who also dismissed the name of an 8/6/01 Presidential Daily Briefing entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Within the U.S."

Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

[pathansen]

22. She said that Congress never actually authorized the war

That she understood the bill was meant to use force to stop Saddan Hussien by sending more inspectors in but that Bush misused the power he was given.

[pampango]

23. If she really believed that Bush misused an "inspectors' authorization bill" to launch an illegal

war, she must have been introducing impeachment bills and blasting the administration publically the day the invasion happened. Any senator, and I include Kerry and Edwards, who really believed that Bush was launching a war under false legislative pretenses should have said so loud and long and taken appropriate legislative action immediately. I don't recall that Clinton or Kerry or Edwards did any such thing.

They knew exactly what they were doing, including maintaining "plausible deniability" if the war did not go well and jeopardized their presidential ambitions.

[girl gone mad]

19. More revisionist history.

Hillary knew what she was voting for. Everybody in Washington knew Bush was engineering a runaway train to war.

Clinton could have learned the truth, if she had only taken the time to listen to knowledgeable parties instead of going out of her way to avoid having anything to do with those trying to halt the rush to war.

Hillary could have been on the right side of history if she had voted the will of her constituents rather than having her office send form letters and even go so far as to hang up on them when they called to express their outrage at Bush's disastrous plans.

You and all of the other Clinton apologists can continue to distort the facts. Those of us in the reality-based community have a firm grip on those facts. Unfortunately for you and your candidate, those facts are easily available to anyone with access to Google and some time on their hands.

[cali]

24. Fuck that. Nothing makes me angrier than this kind of bullshit.

Tell it to Pat Leahy. Tell it to Ted Kennedy. Tell it to Russ Feingold. Don't fucking sling that disgusting revisionist crap.

Pat Leahy: Unconstitutional. Blank Check. Tonkin Gulf Resolution.

[Perry Logan]

25. Bashing Democrats for their vote helps the administration get DOUBLE MILEAGE for their original lie.

Guys...you're playing into the Republicans' hands. This is not brilliant strategy.

The Repubs lied and got their vote. If you attack your own people because of the vote, the administration gets twice the mileage from the original lie. Loose lips sink ships.

[GalleryGod]

26. A Crock of Horseshiite for my Tomato Garden

If she'd had a MALE child instead of exempt Chelsea....she'd thought about more.
Let's go to war as long as MY KIDS or SPOUSE DON'T have to go!



Those of us on DU who have actually been SHOT at by the enemy hold triangulators like the Clintons beneath contempt.


GARRY OWEN, OBAMA !

[mdmc]

27. I started to oppose the Iraq war on 9-12-01

HRC started when it became unpopular.
All I want from her is to avoid war with Iran

[GalleryGod]

28. NICE POST COUNT & ARRIVAL DATE,TROLL

Get outttttttttta here.

[BootinUp]

29. Ridiculous.

It was a fine post and completely within the rules and normal scope of conversation here.

[GalleryGod]

30. You have a right to your opinion. I respect your analysis...

As a combat veteran I have a real problem with "War Vote Apologists and Triangulators" like the OPer

Bill Clinton and I share the SAME birthdate, August 19th, thus the SAME Draft Lottery #, 319. I HONORED my ROTC/Regular Army contract with the 1st Air Cav in Vietnam. Bill? I think he UNjoined the ROTC. He & His Wife are Chickenhawks.

GARRY OWEN,OBAMA!

Poet Warrior, Col. Hal Moore. The Clintons couldn't shine his boots.:rofl: