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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:33 AM
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Obama's Krugman Problem
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 01:46 AM by Proud2BAmurkin
Obama gets movie stars and wives of governors. Clinton gets top progressive economists


http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/3/43521/21244
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:35 AM
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1. Just read that and came here to post it, but you beat me to it.
Very powerful stuff.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:35 AM
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2. Yes --But can Krugman do THIS!
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:46 AM
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15. Shucking and jiving. How cute.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:35 AM
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58. huh?
???
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:36 AM
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3. Your link is messed up
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 01:38 AM by tammywammy
Unless you meant to post the link to post a new thread.
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:41 AM
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6. Try this...
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:40 AM
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4. Paul Krugman really doesn't like Obama
seems like all of his articles are anti. Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:40 AM
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5. Your link is broke.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:44 AM
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7. Health Mandates: Why Paul Krugman's Wrong
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 01:44 AM by ProSense
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:45 AM
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10. Krugman is almost always right. The guy is an economic genius. I trust him over some blogger.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:47 AM
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16. 85 experts, including economic geniuses, on Obama's plan
Here:

Stuart Altman
Dean and Sol C. Chaikin Professor of National Health Policy
Heller School for Social Policy and Management
Brandeis University

M. Gregg Bloche, MD, JD
Professor of Law
Georgetown University
Non-Resident Senior Fellow
The Brookings Institution
Adjunct Professor
Bloomberg School of Public Health
Johns Hopkins University

Nicholas A. Christakis, MD, PhD, MPH
Professor
Department of Health Care Policy
Harvard Medical School
Department of Sociology
Faculty of Arts and Sciences
Harvard University

David Matchar, MD
Professor of Medicine
Director, Center for Clinical Health Policy Research
Duke University Medical Center

E. Richard Brown, PhD
Professor of Health Policy
UCLA School of Public Health

Henry J. Aaron
Senior Fellow, Economic Studies
The Bruce and Virginia MacLaury Chair
The Brookings Institution
Paul Weiler
Emeritus Professor of Law
Harvard Law School

Elliott S. Fisher, MD, MPH
Professor of Medicine and Community and Family Medicine
Director, Center for Health Policy Research
Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice.

Harold Pollack, MPP, PhD
Faculty Chair, Center for Health Administration Studies
Associate Professor
School of Social Service Administration
University of Chicago

Lainie Friedman Ross, MD, PhD
Carolyn and Matthew Bucksbaum Professor of Clinical Ethics
Professor, Departments of Pediatrics, Medicine, and Surgery
Associate Director, MacLean Center for Clinical Medical Ethics
University of Chicago

David Blumenthal, MD, MPP
Director, Institute for Health Policy
Physician, Massachusetts General Hospital
Samuel O. Thier Professor of Medicine
Harvard Medical School
Professor of Health Care Policy
Harvard Medical School

Theodore Marmor, PhD
Professor Emeritus of Public Policy and Management
Professor Emeritus of Political Science
Yale School of Management

Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH
University Distinguished Professor
Johns Hopkins University

Paula Lantz, PhD
Professor and Chair
Department of Health Management and Policy
University of Michigan

Mark Schlesinger, PhD
Professor of Health Policy
Yale University

Nancy L. Keating, MD, MPH
Associate Professor of Medicine and Health Care Policy
Harvard Medical School

Gerald F. Kominski, PhD
Associate Dean for Academic Programs
Professor, Department of Health Services
UCLA School of Public Health

Diane S. Lauderdale
Associate Professor
Department of Health Studies
University of Chicago

David Cutler
Otto Eckstein Professor of Applied Economics
Harvard University

Einer Elhauge
Petrie Professor of Law
Director, Petrie-Flom Center in Health Law Policy
Harvard Law School

Kathleen A Cagney
Associate Professor
Department of Health Studies
University of Chicago

Ronald S. Sullivan Jr.
Clinical Professor of Law
Director, Harvard Criminal Justice Institute
Harvard Law School

Henry J. Steiner
Jeremiah Smith, Jr. Professor Emeritus
Harvard Law School

Martha Minow
Jeremiah Smith, Jr. Professor
Harvard Law School

Jerry Mashaw, PhD
Sterling Professor of Law and Management
Yale University

Laurie Zoloth, PhD
Director, Center for Bioethics, Science and Society
Director, Brady Program in Ethics and Leadership
Professor of Medical Humanities and Bioethics
Feinberg School of Medicine
Northwestern University

Dayna Bowen Matthew
Associate Dean of Academic Affairs
Professor of Law
University of Colorado School of Law

Elizabeth Bartholet
Morris Wasserstein Professor of Law
Faculty Director, Child Advocacy Program
Harvard Law School

Ellen Meara, PhD
Department of Health Care Policy
Harvard Medical School

Donald E. Fry, MD, FACS
Professor Emeritus
Department of Surgery
University of New Mexico School of Medicine

Mark E. Courtney
Ballmer Endowed Chair for Child Well-Being
School of Social Work
University of Washington

Jacqueline Fox
Assistant Professor
School of Law
University of South Carolina

Oliver Oldman
Learned Hand Professor of Law, Emeritus
Harvard Law School

Jane Loewenson
Partner
Nueva Vista Group LLC

Laurence H. Tribe
Carl M. Loeb University Professor
Harvard Law School

Thaddeus Mason Pope, JD, PhD
Visiting Professor, Widener University School of Law
Senior Scholar, Thomas Jefferson University Medical College
Assistant Professor of Law
University of Memphis School of Law

Mervin Shalowitz, MD Visiting Scholar
Kellogg School of Management
Northwestern University

Barbara A. Noah
Associate Professor
Western New England College School of Law

William Pitsenberger
Adjunct Professor, Health Law and Policy
Washburn University School of Law

Philip J. Rosenthal
Professor
Department of Medicine
University of California, San Francisco

Sarah-Anne Schumann, MD
Clinical Associate
Department of Family Medicine
University of Chicago Pritzker School of Medicine
Chicago Family Health Center

Daniel H. Lowenstein, MD
Professor of Neurology
Director, Physician-Scientist Education and Training Programs
University of California, San Francisco

Jonathan Skinner, PhD
Professor
Dartmouth College & Medical School

Robin Henry Dretler MD, FIDSA
President
Infectious Disease Specialists of Atlanta

Laurel Coleman, MD, CMD, FACP
Physician
Augusta, Maine

Ann M Labriola, MD
Associate Professor of Medicine
Division of Infectious Diseases
Department of Medicine
George Washington University Medical Center

Jens Ludwig
Professor of Social Service Administration, Law, and Public Policy
University of Chicago

Norman Daniels
Professor of Ethics and Population Health
Harvard School of Public Health

Donald H. Taylor, Jr. Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Public Policy
Duke University

Colleen Grogan
Faculty Director, Graduate Program on Health Administration and Policy
Associate Professor
School of Social Service Administration
University of Chicago

Leon Wyszewianski, PhD
Associate Professor
Director, Executive Master's Program
Department of Health Management and Policy
University of Michigan School of Public Health

John Henning Schumann, MD
Section of General Internal Medicine
MacLean Center for Clinical Medical Ethics
Human Rights Program
University of Chicago

Michael Pine
Lecturer in Medicine
University of Chicago

Wade S. Smith, MD, PhD
Professor of Neurology
University of California, San Francisco

Keith W.L. Rafal, MD, MPH
Assistant Clinical Professor
Brown University Medical School

Bob Arnold
Professor of Medicine
Leo H Criep Chair in Patient Care
Chief, Section of Palliative care and Medical Ethics
University of Pittsburgh

James Tulsky, MD
Professor of Medicine and Nursing
Duke University

William M. Altman, JD, MA
Senior Vice President of Strategy and Public Policy
Kindred Healthcare, Inc.

Rebekah E. Gee, MD, MPH
Robert Wood Johnson Clinical Scholar
University of Pennsylvania

Clarissa K. Wittenberg
Health Education Consultant

Jason Block, MD
Physician
Brigham and Women's Hospital

Harlan M. Krumholz, MD SM
Harold H. Hines, Jr. Professor of Medicine
Yale University

S. Claiborne Johnston, MD, PhD
Professor of Neurology and Epidemiology
Director, Stroke Service
University of California, San Francisco

Richard Kronick
Professor
Department of Family and Preventive Medicine
University of California, San Diego

Maggie Czarnogorski, MD
George Washington University
Carl Vogel Center, Medical Director

Howard P. Forman MD, MBA
Professor of Diagnostic Radiology, Management, and Public Health
Lecturer, Economics
Director, Yale MD/MBA Program and Yale MBA for Executives: Leadership In Healthcare
Yale University

William Terry, MD
Brigham and Women's Hospital

Rahul Rajkumar, MD, JD
Physician
Brigham and Women's Hospital

Frederick A Masoudi, MD, MSPH
Associate Professor of Medicine (Cardiology)
Denver Health Medical Center
University

David A. Richardson
Health Care Consultant

Helen Levy, PhD
Research Assistant Professor
University of Michigan

Robert Burt, JD, MA
Professor
Yale Law School

David B. Wilkins
Kirkland & Ellis Professor of Law
Director Program on the Legal Profession
Harvard Law School

Gene Webb, PhD
Manager of Planning
Biological Sciences Division
Pritzker School of Medicine
University of Chicago

Nikhil Wagle, MD
Physician
Brigham and Women's Hospital

Clifford E. Douglas, JD
Executive Director, University of Michigan Tobacco Research Network
Adjunct Lecturer, University of Michigan School of Public Health
Senior Policy Fellow, Michigan Public Health Institute

Thomas G. McGuire
Professor of Health Economics
Department of Health Care Policy
Harvard Medical School

Robert A. Berenson, MD
Senior Fellow
The Urban Institute

Stanley S. Wallack
Professor
Heller School for Social Policy and Management
Brandeis University

Charles J. Ogletree, Jr.
Jesse Climenko Professor of Law,
Harvard Law School

Jon Klein, MD, PhD
James Graham Brown Foundation Endowed Chair in Proteomics
University of Louisville

Sara Rosenbaum
Chair, Department of Health Policy
Harold and Jane Hirsh Professor of Health Law and Policy
Professor of Health Care Sciences
George Washington University

John C. Coates IV
John F. Cogan, Jr. Professor of Law and Economics
Harvard Law School

Peter J. Hammer
Professor of Law
Wayne State University Law School

Meredith B. Rosenthal, PhD
Associate Professor of Health Economics and Policy
Department of Health Policy and Management
Harvard School of Public Health

Barron H. Lerner, MD, PhD
Professor of Medicine and Public Health
Columbia University

Lucian L. Leape, MD Harvard School of Public Health

Kasturi Haldar
Charles E. and Emma H. Morrison Professor
Department of Pathology
Northwestern University


economic geniuses


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:48 AM
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19. Krugman does the raw numbers, show someone else proving him wrong.
An endorsement doesn't disprove the numbers. The numbers are there, in black and white.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:55 AM
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25. Oh,
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:56 AM
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27. Those are faulty, not reflective of reality, and outdated. A rebuttal to Krugman, please.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:00 AM
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32. You have several to one! Krugman is wrong! n/t
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:01 AM
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34. Your link is outdate, it doesn't prove anything.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:27 AM
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54. Piling on experts doesn't mean shit
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 07:28 AM by depakid
particularly when ALL OF THEM are taking a position that's fundamentally flawwed.

The only responsible solution is a univeral single payer system that cuts private insurers out of the basic benefits equation. The political question- which as much as anything, is what Krugman raises is:

How to get to universal coverage?

In his opinion (and mine- and MANY others who've looked at the issue) is that Edwards- then Hillary's approach is far more likely to lead to that than Obama's "compromise" plan.

(Actually, Dean had it closer to right than anyone- expand Medicare and Medicaid eligibility, and merge the two systems step by step until everyone's covered).
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #54
60. A full complete
smack down debunk!


Krugman is wrong and his bias is showing!

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #16
21. And Hillary probably has a nice long list of experts too. BIG FUCKING DEAL
Her plan is better, by FAR!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #21
22. Good response! LOL! n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:54 AM
Response to Reply #22
24. I know! n/t
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #21
28. Endorsements mean squat. Let's see numbers. Let's see evidence.
Not bullshit visuals and talk, actual mathematical answers!
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 03:20 AM
Response to Reply #10
48. I trust Krugman and 30 professional economists more than I trust Obama.
It's a no brainer.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #7
14. As stated in the article, he is reporting the results of studies.
So why dont you try attacking the studies.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:47 AM
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18. Would you stop posting those stupid links? Post what you want us to read!
What? Did you learn some new html or something?:crazy: I hate having to follow links to know what the hell someone is talking about. JUST FUCKING POST IT!

Hillary's plan blows Obama's plan out of the water!
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 03:40 AM
Response to Reply #7
49. But if you actually read the "experts", they all concede mandates
will be necessary.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:04 AM
Response to Reply #7
50. According to that, Obama's "open to mandates."
So it sounds like he's taking a convenient political position.

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:44 AM
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8. This is great damn article. 4400 per newly insured, vs 2700
Thats very significant.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:46 AM
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13. It's incredible. And the key point: Obama killed his prospect of using a mandate plan.
He absolutely killed it by going after Hillary the way the GOP would.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:45 AM
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9. Proud2B...take the link from post #6 and put it in your OP before you can't edit anymore!
I bookmarked this to read tomorrow. Thanks!
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:45 AM
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11. Governors don't count? Senators don't count?
Keep hate alive!
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magatte Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:46 AM
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12. Obama gets Paul Volcker
Compare Volcker`s and Krugman`s qualifications when it comes to reponding to real world problems and come back with your premature gloating.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:47 AM
Response to Reply #12
17. Regan's Volcker?
Krugman is right about most of the economic stuff he talks about.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #17
61. Carter's Volcker. But you knew that. n/t
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #12
20. Nice catch.
I mean, Krugman's swell, but the Chairman of the Fed, he ain't.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #20
23. OMG! DU WORSHIPS Krugman! Where the hell did you people come from? Oh, wait, don't answer that
I already know! :eyes:
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #23
26. I'm from Ohio.
If you're asking how long I've been on DU, I believe that says under my profile.

Krugman's great. I just think he's wrong in re: Obama. Big deal. I'll live.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #26
30. Then please by all means show us how the study is wrong.
I'm sure an email to the kind folks at MIT can get the proper data that you think is debunkable.

Krugman backs hard data. He's very cautious about what positions he supports.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:03 AM
Response to Reply #30
35. I'm talking about his general statements about Obama in his editorials.
I am nowhere near literate in economics. But politically, I think he's wrong in some of statements regarding Obama.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #35
37. I took economics, and his argument is very sound.
There's a reason why our EU brethen have universial health care, it's cheaper and more effective. But throwing around these sound bites "Oh no they're going to *force* you to pay," is the American way, I guess.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:07 AM
Response to Reply #26
38. That's not what I meant. I really don't care where you live.
:eyes;
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:58 AM
Response to Reply #20
29. Regan's Fed?
Are you shitting me?
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #29
31. Carter's Fed.
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 02:00 AM by chascarrillo
Problem?

(edited punctuation)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:05 AM
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36. Yep, Volcker's interests rates led to the aggregation of large corporate farming.
It put a lot of farmers out of business and led to more monopolization and centralization of power.

Similarily as to what Obama's higher cost health care will do. Feed the pockets of the corporations, allow irresponsible people to be covered while at the same time forcing premiums to be raised on everyone else.

It's all so very fucking cute.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #36
39. OOPS! Had they known that, they never would have posted his name here.
:rofl:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #39
40. Volcker had the largest protests against the fed since the Great Depression.
Of course the powers that be dismissed those local farmers and construction workers, but what can you do.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:15 AM
Response to Reply #40
41. Throwing the Carter Administration under the bus.
Wow. Keep hate alive!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:20 AM
Response to Reply #41
42. Just stating facts, not expressing any hate whatsoever.
Volcker may have been right about the focus on interest rates, and it may have been unavoidable. But it remains a fact that his reign was largely responsible for the rise of corporate farming.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:21 AM
Response to Reply #41
43. BTW, I find it *remarkable* that my sympathy for farmers is somehow construed as "hate."
Unbelievable.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:28 AM
Response to Reply #43
44. Are you shitting me? It's all so very fucking cute.
Or so I've heard.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:50 AM
Response to Reply #44
45. Yes, it's cute that people back the machine rather than the people...
...while at the same time pretending to have progressive values. I was only a little kid when those protests happened, but I remember them.

What can I say, you picked the wrong endorsement to parrot in a marginal attempt to dismiss the truth of Krugman and the MIT study.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 03:15 AM
Response to Reply #45
47. How's this for an endorsement of Volcker?
"(Alan Greenspan) had the good fortune to follow an illustrious predecessor. Paul Volcker assumed office at a time of double-digit inflation. During Volcker's eight years as Fed chairman, he tamed inflation and steered the world through a major financial crisis, then oversaw a powerful economic recovery. On becoming chairman in August 1987, Greenspan inherited both a healthy economy and an office whose prestige had never been higher."

- Paul Krugman, "The Maestro Slips Out Of Tune", NYT, June 6, 2004

link: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E03E1DA1431F935A35755C0A9629C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:15 AM
Response to Reply #47
51. Yes, controlling interest rates were an interesting idea and may have been the only solution.
I'm not disputing that.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #51
59. In case you missed it, Krugman showered a lot of exuberant praise on Volcker.
Took away the wrong lesson from my previous post. Sometimes, I'm too oblique for my own good, so that's understandable.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:00 AM
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33. Paul Krugman for president!
Krugman is always right! He is soooo smart it is scary. He was for my man Edwards until the MSM forced him out of the race. I don't think he backs either Hillary or Obama, he is just pointing out that Obama's health care plan is bs. I am not for either Obama or Hillary, either, though I will support whichever is the nominee, because I am a faithful Dem.

:dem:
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:52 AM
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46. thank you so much for the link.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:10 AM
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52. How many voters take their cues from economists?
:shrug:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:23 AM
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53. Zero. They like shiney things. And nice speeches. They don't like facts.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:17 AM
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55. Does Krugman exclusively present facts? Or is opinion mixed in?
:shrug:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:18 AM
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56. In this case, they are facts, read the study, find a rebuttal.
You won't be able to, the math is freaking obvious. It's like claiming 1+1 doesn't equal 2 because that's "someones opinion."
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:19 AM
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57. Interesting they prefer right wing policy hacks
very interesting. They probably believe Billo, too.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:19 AM
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62. It is patently obvious that the benefits of universal insurance
don't manifest themselves unless the system is universal.

What's so confusing about this?

Obama's "plan" that everyone will buy insurance if it's a little less expensive is foolish. His plan to allow people to continue to rely on the kindness of strangers is wrong.

The likelihood that congress will legislate mandates or a medicaid option absent support from the president is stupid.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:45 AM
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63. Why Paul Krugman is wrong or when Krugman was against mandates
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