Why I hate Hillary Clinton

[lwcon]

* Because in my considered judgment, having another president named "Clinton" would be lame
* Because she's so old, and the Baby Boomers ruined everything. Youth voting is inspiring. Older voters? Ho-hum.
* Because she thinks the progressive fights of the 1960s and 1990s are still worth fighting
* Because the Republicans proved that her husband cheated on her
* Because the Republicans drummed up fake scandals about her that were proven untrue
* Because rightwingers consider her a fat, Marxist lesbian. No way do I want to support someone that Republicans hate.
* Because her alleged faux pas are all damnable, unlike Obama's actual statements, which are always beyond reproach
* Because, unlike Obama, she doesn't inspire cult-like devotion
* Because the Obama campaign twisted her and her husband's statements to paint her as a racist
* Because the media repeatedly tells me that, despite her centrist policies, she's "polarizing"
* Because her campaign is focused on energizing Democrats instead of those all-important Independents and repentant Republicans (in case there are any)
* Because the Democrats barely have a chance to win and need to choose the trendiest candidate, despite close (and clouded) vote counts in 2000 and 2004, and a massive win in 2006
* Because her husband ran on that awful, triangulating "third way," unlike Obama's awesome triangulating post-partisanship
* Because she's too much like a Republican, and not in some undefinable awesome way that appeals to Republicans but is really incredibly progressive
* Because she supported the war since the beginning, while Obama was gracious enough to wait until he was in the Senate to support the war
* Because saying "hope" and "change" will make our problems go away. As long as we say them enough, of course (and she doesn't).
* Because she doesn't make contentless pap sound like inspiration
* Because she just wants to be "right" instead of admitting that Democrats are 50% responsible for all of our current problems.
* Because it would be inspiring to have a black president (even to our enemies, who would be instantly disarmed by it!), as opposed to if we had a woman president, which would be meaningless
* Because she doesn't realize liberals should be shamed for not being sufficiently religiose
* Because Jesus didn't personally call her to lead us to the Promised Land

[jlake]

1. K&R Just so many reasons to hate Hillary!

Hill Yes! Only Hillary can clean up this mess!

[lwcon]

18. I hadn't realized there were so many Hillary haters like you and me

The Obamaites are all into "unity," so I know they're not haters.

Believe you me, you'll never hear a harsh word about Hillary from them.

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[psychopomp]

22. I don't hate her... I just don't trust her

especially after the "SPADE work" comment. That sealed it for me, sorry.

[Raejeanowl]

67. We Might Have To Get Over That Eventually

And every other word that's been used or sounds too much like one that's been used to insult and oppress; unfortunately, there are so many.

[0007]

97. (We?)!! Now, all of a sudden all of this looks like a possibility. This week, Hillary got

absolutely shellacked in South Carolina, losing to Obama by more than two to one. And this, crucially, after the desperate HillBillies had made trip to the outhouse to fetch their most vile weapons for purposes of derailing the Obama freight train. But when the dust had cleared. Obama had stomped them, and they were left standing there stinking of racism, deceit, hypocrisy, desperation and cheap Rovian politics. And all for naught. At least when Rove or Lee Atwater did it, they won. Poor Bill Clinton. Now even his faux 'legacy' is toast. Not that there was ever anything to it, anyhow. Af far as history is concerned the best thing that ever happened to Wild Bill's presidency was to have a Bush before it and a Bush after it.

WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE;LL just have to live with the truth won't we young lady?

[lwcon]

100. Thank you for your unity!

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[Raejeanowl]

101. You Live With A Different Truth?

Smells like one seen through a prism of hatred for the Clintons specifically. My truth includes the lack of necessity to apologize to anyone for innocently using innocent words, particularly buying into anyone's racially divisive agenda.

Tell me, how many words do you know for a tool to dig holes in the earth? Let's play Politically Correct Family Feud. Buzz....excuse me, missing buttons.

[0007]

132. Go back to your cartoon watching young lady. Anything else doesn't

become YOU.

The only buttons missing from your politically correct family feud game is nine thousand miles of water.

[Jamastiene]

2. Another K & R!!!

:thumbsup:

[maddiejoan]

3. kickedty kick

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. Promised land - All I got was Tustin.

I guess I hate her too then.

[Bluebear]

10. At least you have an IKEA.

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. No we don't. They closed it & put a "Best Buy" there.

The Ikea is down in Fountain Valley now.

[Bluebear]

12. Then "All you got is Tustin" I understand

;)

[LadyVT]

5. whahahahahahahahaha! thank you!

;)

[chascarrillo]

6. Keep hate alive!

[emilyg]

19. echoechoecho

[Jamastiene]

20. What are you? A hatemonger?

I've noticed lots of your posts say that. Just wondering...:shrug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. You too, hon. So far, you're doing a fanfreakin'tastic job of it.

:eyes:

[UALRBSofL]

7. Is that all you could come up with?

Put your thinking cap on.

[Dogmudgeon]

9. Some people are slogan-oriented

I guess s/he will eventually post some substantial stuff. It gets boring otherwise.

--p!

[Bluebear]

13. Uh, did you read it?

[redqueen]

66. Why would anyone want to read it?

It's got an idiotic title, and an idiotic list...

[burgundy floppy hat]

79. It was satire, but it read as truth,

You could troll those people very easliy, you know?

Obama supporters do not even examine their reasoning.

And no one begrudges them their support of Obama, it's buying into the specious reasoning the PR firms are selling, using to manipulate, that is so strange.

[DrZeeLit]

89. Agree. Squandered time. Not ironic or funny. Too. Sad.

Ridiculous.

No class.

Another reason I rarely frequent DU these days.

[lwcon]

21. What else have you got?

Also, I would check to make sure you're getting enough irony in your diet.

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[donheld]

8. Did you lose this?

:sarcasm:

[TexasObserver]

14. Why Not change the title to: Why I will not vote for Hillary

I'm not enamored of flamebait titles, and in this case, it detracts from a personal analysis that actually has some value.

[lwcon]

26. Because what I'm seeing is hatefulness, and that's what I'm mocking here n/t

[BootinUp]

15. lol nice compilation,

[NastyRiffraff]

16. "Trendiest candidate"

Funny! :rofl:

[Lucinda]

17. Why am I recommending lwcon's post?

* Because it's spot on.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. LOL....

I like it.:)

[paganlib]

24. kick.......

[jgraz]

27. Still not as stupid as the reasons I've heard to support her.

But good try. :thumbsup:

[lwcon]

30. After Edwards left, I picked her by a nose

But you can't pick your friends by a nose.

Anyway, here is how I called it:

http://www.correntewire.com/vastleft_endorses_hillary_rodham_clinton

[mrreowwr_kittty]

28. I don't hate Hillary Clinton. But I don't buy into your straw arguments either.

One straw(wo)man deserves another so here are my responses:


"* Because in my considered judgment, having another president named "Clinton" would be lame"

Not lame but apparently a lot of Americans are tired of seeing the same damn names on the ballot year after year. Dynastic rule is not exactly healthy for a democracy.


"* Because she's so old, and the Baby Boomers ruined everything. Youth voting is inspiring. Older voters? Ho-hum."

How dare those young whippersnappers vote! And not for my candidate? The NERVE!


"* Because she thinks the progressive fights of the 1960s and 1990s are still worth fighting"

They are. Some of us would like to, you know, win them now and then.


"* Because the Republicans proved that her husband cheated on her"

I agree, it was a stupid bullshit witch hunt. I don't think Bill Clinton's extra-marital shenanigans in the Oval Office "proved" that he was unfit to be President any more than I think Barack Obama's non-Handshake Snub "proves" that he doesn't possess the decorum befitting a leader. Yet that's what I was hearing over and over from the Protocol Police in GD-P last week.


"* Because the Republicans drummed up fake scandals about her that were proven untrue"

The Republicans drum up fake scandals about all of our candidates. What else is new?


"* Because rightwingers consider her a fat, Marxist lesbian. No way do I want to support someone that Republicans hate."

Not that I think there's anything wrong with any of those things. Some rightwingers consider Barack Obama to be a Muslim Manchurean candidate who refuses to pledge allegiance to the flag. Did you know that Clinton campaign staffers were caught spreading those smears?


"* Because her alleged faux pas are all damnable, unlike Obama's actual statements, which are always beyond reproach"

Hillary Clinton is the only candidate in the history of U.S. politics who has ever had her statements taken out of context.


"* Because, unlike Obama, she doesn't inspire cult-like devotion"

And Obama is bad, bad, bad for attracting the large crowds of enthusiastic supporters that belong to Her Inevitableness.

"* Because the Obama campaign twisted her and her husband's statements to paint her as a racist"

There's absolutely nothing wrong with suggesting that MLK (and by inference Barack Obama) was only capable of inspirational rhetoric, whereas it took a white President to get things done. And having to go back 20 years to compare the win of one black candidate in SC to the recent win of another, despite the fact that a white candidate (John Edwards) won SC in 2004 but didn't win the primary, is okee dokee. Let's not even bring up the "Muslim heritage" "shuck and jive" and "hip black friend" comments of supporters and surrogates, not to mention campaign staffers being caught spreading smear emails, shall we? In the end, be sure to attribute the overwhelming shift in African American support to Barack Obama to his cynical manipulation of race. Because it's not like those people are capable of drawing their own conclusions about what happened, is it?


"* Because the media repeatedly tells me that, despite her centrist policies, she's "polarizing"

She may or may not be polarizing, but it's funny how she's "centrist" here but is "incredibly progressive" in a statement down below in this very same post.


"* Because her campaign is focused on energizing Democrats instead of those all-important Independents and repentant Republicans (in case there are any)"

Because why on earth would we want to attract the votes and support of Independents and repentant Republicans when we can struggle to a 50 + 1% "mandate"?


"* Because the Democrats barely have a chance to win and need to choose the trendiest candidate, despite close (and clouded) vote counts in 2000 and 2004, and a massive win in 2006"

Again, why would we want a candidate who attracts people outside of our usual voter bases? Again, who told those young people they have the right to vote?


"* Because her husband ran on that awful, triangulating "third way," unlike Obama's awesome triangulating post-partisanship"

Yes, it's so much better to compromise on policy to save your political skin because you've been ineffective at persuading the American people, than it is to force the other side to support your policies because you have been successful at appealing to a bipartisan coalition of the people. Silly us for thinking that.


"* Because she's too much like a Republican, and not in some undefinable awesome way that appeals to Republicans but is really incredibly progressive"

But wait! I thought you said she was a centrist!


"* Because she supported the war since the beginning, while Obama was gracious enough to wait until he was in the Senate to support the war"

Good for her for being right out in front on giving GWB a blank check to illegally invade a country that hadn't attacked us! Yeah, let's focus on the inconsistencies of the guy who had the chutzpah to speak out against the war back when it was unpopular to do so. Hey, your candidate had to think about her political future! It's not like she had time to read intelligence reports and crap. That was for those 22 Democratic losers in the Senate who care about stuff like that.


"* Because saying "hope" and "change" will make our problems go away. As long as we say them enough, of course (and she doesn't)."

Because saying you have 35 Years Of Experience(TM) will make people forget that you never stuck your neck out to stop the Bush administration during the past 8 years of it, even though you had the clout to do so.


"* Because she doesn't make contentless pap sound like inspiration"

Once again, who told those people they were allowed to vote for someone besides Her Inevitableness?


"* Because she just wants to be "right" instead of admitting that Democrats are 50% responsible for all of our current problems.

Because that would be admitting that over a decade of DLC triangulation wasn't exactly what you'd call a smashing success in fighting off the GOP Contract On America.

"* Because it would be inspiring to have a black president (even to our enemies, who would be instantly disarmed by it!), as opposed to if we had a woman president, which would be meaningless"

Either one would be historic and inspiring, but anyone who endorses the black man is betraying women. And any woman who doesn't vote for the woman gets her feminist card revoked.


"* Because she doesn't realize liberals should be shamed for not being sufficiently religiose"

I didn't realize that either. I'm just a dummy who is happy that Barack Obama is the only major politician I've ever seen acknowledge the existence of non-believers in a positive way in his speeches. I guess I'm supposed to be angry that he also acknowledges the importance of faith to a lot of Americans. Strangely, I'm not.


"* Because Jesus didn't personally call her to lead us to the Promised Land

He sure didn't but she's no secularist either. http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

[sniffa]

31. good job

:thumbsup:

[JAbuchan08]

61. This one here really bugged me

"* Because she supported the war since the beginning, while Obama was gracious enough to wait until he was in the Senate to support the war"

Yeah! she may have been wrong, but she was more completely and consistently wrong for longer than Barak... so there! :sarcasm:

[girl gone mad]

29. She doesn't inspire cult-like devotion?

I guess you haven't been around DU much for the past 6 months.

[lwcon]

33. Not anything like with the Obamaites

As someone who actively supported Edwards until he bowed out last week, I can tell you that the Hillaryites were generally far more down-to-earth.

They were sometimes capable of admitting her flaws, and they didn't think that vapid buzzwords like "hope" and "change" were "transformative."


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[SIMPLYB1980]

32. K&R

[ScreamingMeemie]

34. No sir, ma'am and/or other:

I don't hate Hillary. I'm just not going to vote for her and not because of any of the reasons you have posted in your OP. I will not vote for someone who would rather have us believe her an idiot than apologize for the IWR vote. Lives, real lives, have been lost. And her calclated obtuseness is sickening to people like me. And her supporters, with their willingness to gloss it over, make me unbearably sad. I yearn for what the (D) used to stand for. But don't worry. I'm not voting Obama either. I, officially, give up. They are (R) and (D), all the same. No one's voice will be heard in this election.

[lwcon]

40. Not all the same

Either Dem is better than whatever authoritarian sociopath the Repubs are putting up this fall.

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[ScreamingMeemie]

42. Not really.

not anymore. Same person, different outfit.

[lwcon]

43. Thanks for visiting DU n/t

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[ScreamingMeemie]

44. Thanks for not being able to come up with anything substantive. n/t.

[LostinVA]

50. Uh -- she's done more than "visit" DU

[lwcon]

51. When she says she won't support the Dem in Nov.

She sounds like a stranger to me on a site dedicated to helping Dems kick Repubs out of office.

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[LostinVA]

56. MrsG definitely isn't a troll -- even though we do disagree on HRC

[lwcon]

59. Not saying she is a troll

But she is taking the identical position to that of a "concern troll," no?

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[DemGa]

35. Hooray! Thanks for shedding some light on the Obamafanatics

Trouble is, infatuation obscures good judgment.

[Little Star]

36. Nice hate post! I will not lower myself to your standards and

explain why I hate like Obama, because I don't. Good luck with that HATE message! Maybe you can join in with the republicans, Dem establishment and MSM who also Hate her? This is just unacceptable from a Dem. Not liking and disagreeing on policy are one thing, but HATING is a Republican thing. Grow up!

[lwcon]

38. I couldn't figure from your comment...

... did you understand that the post is satirical and ironic?

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[NoSheep]

39. Please read the OP this time. Please look up the word "sarcasm" in your dictionary.

[RoadRage]

37. I hate her because she's the most likely to lose the election for the Dems in November. NT.

[Cameron27]

41. lol

excellent K&R

[robbedvoter]

45. Now I'd like to see why MSM hates her - oh, wait, Conason wrote that book

"The Hunting of the President" Unbelievable, 8 years later same BS is flung again, by the same people - and there are new customers for it.

[lwcon]

47. And reflung by our people

That's the saddest part, eh?

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[bpeale]

46. IMO, obama is just as bad. neither are a good choice.

at least hillary doesn't need OJT.

[Deja Q]

53. "Neither is a good choice."

*sigh*

[LostinVA]

48. hehehehehe -- EXCELLENT THREAD

And, so many don't get it -- I don't think they even raed your OP.

[lwcon]

49. You should see the DailyKos repost

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/4/15559/96816/183/449333

Even after the mods tagged it as "snark," a lot of them still couldn't get it.

I mean, geez, how broad do I have to be with the satire?

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[Maribelle]

55. I would much rather read one on why you love Obama so very much.

Because we all know it's not how he sings the lyrics to kumbaya.

:kick:

[lwcon]

60. I'd suggest you check out the links in the OP n/t

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[Deja Q]

52. To answer individual points with dreary detail:

* Because in my considered judgment, having another president named "Clinton" would be lame
Not a good reason

* Because she's so old, and the Baby Boomers ruined everything. Youth voting is inspiring. Older voters? Ho-hum.
So did Adam and Eve. She plucked an apple and then he plucked her.

* Because she thinks the progressive fights of the 1960s and 1990s are still worth fighting
They're not? We're raising the quality of life for people in other countries (1960s). Only at our expense...

* Because the Republicans proved that her husband cheated on her
The roadkill I drove by yesterday would have noticed that too.

* Because the Republicans drummed up fake scandals about her that were proven untrue
Which ones?

I'm starting to notice your post might have been sarcastic. Oh well.

[lwcon]

54. It just might be sarcastic, yes. n/t

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[RiverStone]

57. How do posts like this help in the Dems in the GE?

Just curious...

[lwcon]

58. By shaming people out of unfounded hate for a leading candidate

It is satirical, you know? And it's satirizing behavior that's IMHO both commonplace and bad for the party.

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[mrreowwr_kittty]

71. I saw your post more as an attempt to shame people out of support for Obama

I understand the points you were making and Hillary Clinton has definitely been the target of some absurd attacks. But I'm left wondering: Why did you find it necessary to devote so much of your post to trashing Obama and his supporters? How is that good for the party?

[russian33]

62. snarf

k&R for awesomness of the thread

[redqueen]

63. oh, it's snark

heh... nevermind.

i posted a couple fuck yous before i realized. :blush:

and sorry for alerting, too.

[lwcon]

64. Wow, DU is starting to catch up to DKos...

In people being clueless about satire.

Have things gotten so bad that this snarky piece can't be differentiated from the actual way people are talking? My goodness!


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[redqueen]

65. I didn't read it...

:P

I saw the headline, saw red... then read a bit (from bottom to top, as I seem predisposed to do with lists), and saw the bit about women, and that was all I could stand to read.

And sorry, but we've seen PLENTY of shit just like this that is completely earnest. Perhaps your satire skills need some honing. :)

[lwcon]

69. Truly, things have come to a pretty pass...

... when this kind of "modest proposal" absurdity can be confused with the real thing. I think it goes to show how ugly the rhetoric has gotten that my list looks even slightly earnest to people.

Well, I hope the campaign will be sorted out in one way or another by tomorrow night. I don't really want to see us go through several more months of this.

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[redqueen]

72. You're darn right it's gotten ugly...

I don't think it'll be sorted out tomorrow... we'll see...

[lwcon]

80. Honestly, I am rooting more for this thing to get settled

Than for one candidate over the other. They're awfully close on policy.

I would love to see the Obama personality cult rejoin us here on planet earth. We miss them.

But either way, just please let me worry only about how we're going to beat McCain. A decisive victory for HRC or BO will make that the only concern.

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[redqueen]

82. I'm with you a brazilian percent.

They have small differences, but like you said... awfully close... and since I really have no idea which would be the best bet in the GE, either one is fine & dandy with yours truly.

:)

[Time for change]

68. I keep on going back and forth between which of these 2 I'd rather see win the nomination

This pushed me back into the Hillary camp for the time being.

Not that it matters though, since I'm voting for Edwards anyhow.

[Raejeanowl]

70. Funny

I would only argue slightly with the one about being too much like a Republican. Maybe. Some think she appeals to Repubs, some suspect she's a closet neocon, but lo and behold, you can't mistake that they still hate her.

[Thrill]

73. I don't hate her. I just don't think she can win. I actually

really like her. But Obama will smoke McCain. Hillary is likely to lose to him

[lwcon]

74. If only most of the online discussion were at that tenor!

If the race is still active after tomorrow night, I'll be writing about the relatively electability issue. It's pretty complicated, IMHO.

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[0007]

88. Only in a hallucination fueled by the finest collection of controlled

substances - and plenty of them - could the mind imagine not only the demise of the worst criminals of our time, but also some tasty payback to all their accomplices who've facilitate the plundering Of America these last years, starting with Hillary Clinton being denied the nomination for the presidency she obviously feels entitled to, and scourge of Clintonism being purge forever from American politics, right along with Bushism.

[DainBramaged]

75. Why I put you on ignore

No answer necessary.

[paulk]

125. read the whole thing

[JAbuchan08]

76. I will try to answer these the best I can

Because in my considered judgment, having another president named "Clinton" would be lame
So a rehash of previous years is supposed to be better by definition? Just because we've done something before doesn't mean we have to do it again, even IF it was good the first time. It doesn't mean it's going to be just as good the second time.

Because she's so old, and the Baby Boomers ruined everything. Youth voting is inspiring. Older voters? Ho-hum.
I'm not going to trash all older voters with the same broad-brush, but is a rehash really THAT much better than something new. Just speaking generally, age & wisdom don't have a perfectly linear relationship. One could live to be 100 and only succeed in becoming crotchety and set in their ways.

* Because she thinks the progressive fights of the 1960s and 1990s are still worth fighting
That's pretty vague. I guess you're saying that in order to be good progressives we have put all our eggs in the HIllary basket, because only SHE can truly realize our progressive ideals.

* Because the Republicans proved that her husband cheated on her
While I didn't endorse Bill Clinton's impeachment, I also don't endorse his cheating and parsing on the subject. Does that put me in the same league as Newt Gingrich? I don't think so. You might, but before you call me Rush, ask yourself: do you endorse his behavior? If not can you really expect other Democrats to?

* Because the Republicans drummed up fake scandals about her that were proven untrue
I'll give you this one

* Because rightwingers consider her a fat, Marxist lesbian. No way do I want to support someone that Republicans hate.
Neither Republican hate, nor Republican love is a reason for me to support a candidate or withdraw support from a candidate. Republican hate does not a good candidate make

* Because her alleged faux pas are all damnable, unlike Obama's actual statements, which are always beyond reproach
This is kind of a matter of opinion. Maybe it *is* unfair, but it seems to me that neither Clinton nor her supporters want to increase the fairness, so much as to have the unfairness work in her favor.

* Because, unlike Obama, she doesn't inspire cult-like devotion
and you are sexist and ageist to say otherwise!

* Because the Obama campaign twisted her and her husband's statements to paint her as a racist
Fine. I'll admit it her campaign isn't racist, it's just condescending to black people, and young people, and anti-war people because these are all groups that want change, and you know change is just a pretty word... it's not even a verb its an adjective.

* Because the media repeatedly tells me that, despite her centrist policies, she's "polarizing"
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense how can someone who is (considered) too far left for the right, and too far right for the left be considered a centrist of convenience by the center? It's completely irrational I say!

* Because her campaign is focused on energizing Democrats instead of those all-important Independents and repentant Republicans (in case there are any)
She might want to rethink her "energizing" Democrats strategy, because I don't think its working the way she thinks its working

* Because the Democrats barely have a chance to win and need to choose the trendiest candidate, despite close (and clouded) vote counts in 2000 and 2004, and a massive win in 2006
Instead lets choose the "safest" candidate, because being overly cautious has never hurt the Democratic party every day for the last almost sixteen years.

* Because her husband ran on that awful, triangulating "third way," unlike Obama's awesome triangulating post-partisanship
well if Obama and Clinton's philosophies are so similar, maybe he's not THAT big of a "risk"

* Because she's too much like a Republican, and not in some undefinable awesome way that appeals to Republicans but is really incredibly progressive
Wait is appealing to Republicans a good thing or a bad thing? cuz I'm confused now

* Because she supported the war since the beginning, while Obama was gracious enough to wait until he was in the Senate to support the war
Hell yeah! Hillary was wrong about the war before being wrong about the war was a bad thing! Obama, he's a Johnny-come-lately on THAT issue... jeez... some people just don't appreciate consistency

* Because saying "hope" and "change" will make our problems go away. As long as we say them enough, of course (and she doesn't).
Best not to hope for change, wouldn't want to end up with a huge disappointment. Look at what happened the last time we hoped the Democrats would change things... that didn't turn out so well.

* Because she doesn't make contentless pap sound like inspiration
Hillary certainly can't be accused of being inspiring.

* Because she just wants to be "right" instead of admitting that Democrats are 50% responsible for all of our current problems.
I suppose if she did admit she was wrong she would be condeming all Democrats to share in her guilt, because if there's anything *I* want to unify around it's the mistakes of others.

* Because it would be inspiring to have a black president (even to our enemies, who would be instantly disarmed by it!), as opposed to if we had a woman president, which would be meaningless
I suppose it depends on what the meaning of meaningless is. Whatever happens not everything is going to change the next day. If you elect Hillary (or Barack) you are not going to get a special prize.
However the difference between Barak and Hillary on the "first of their kind" issue is that Barak is not some surrogate figure for blacks as Hillary is for women. He is trying to transcend race. He's spent his whole life navigating the complex racial dynamics of his life and surroundings. Symbolically he is a stronger candidate than Hillary, because he can be many different things to many different people. It's not that Hillary Clinton's victory would be meaningless, its that the American heirarchy of race & class goes #1 old rich white men and #2 old rich white women.

* Because she doesn't realize liberals should be shamed for not being sufficiently religiose
As a completely areligious person I don't believe that all mentions of religion in politics are created equally. I'm *pretty* sure the Republican Jesus would have struck Obama down for blasephemy by now.

* Because Jesus didn't personally call her to lead us to the Promised Land.

Didn't Jesus tell Hillary that all women could be vicariously equal to men through her success? No. That must have been a super-duper straw-man argument I heard somewhere before - kinda like the above example from your pro-Hillary post.

Sorry, heavy on the sarcasm, but the OP was just kinda too easy.

[demokatgurrl]

128. "Change" is a noun or verb, not an adjective. n/t

[JAbuchan08]

130. I knew that.

and said it deliberately.

[burgundy floppy hat]

77. But this how Obama's supporters reason...

So I take it your serious, right?

lol

[lwcon]

96. Alas, you're not the only one who thinks this is for real

And the other ones aren't joking.

My mind is seriously boggled.

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[Kermitt Gribble]

78. Nice! n/t

[La Belle Riviere]

81. I dont hate Hillary; I've been looking for excuses to vote for her; I dont like the way she

consistently tries to marginalize her opponent with false innuendo, nasty one-liners and inappropriate references to other events in history. That is, indeed, borne of hate and fear.

[mamameow]

83. mental problem?

lwcon, you need a psychiatrist. hate? you are disgusting with your venom. why du puts your essay up front is puzzling---oh, i forgot du hates clinton!!!!! i am so sick of the hatred spewed out over this country.

[lwcon]

84. Wow, another person who is irony-deprived

I'm on your side, friend.

[mamameow]

102. ????

irony or hate? you are on our side? can you see how many people are believing what you say? it is not obvious that you are funnin with us, that word funnin comes from a baby boomer. unless your satire is obvious then it is what everyone is believing.

[libbygurl]

90. Ooh, do please read it again, mamameow! You'll like it next time around! nt

[libbygurl]

85. The last reason is the most damning reason to hate HRC. But see this, too:

It's a terrific spot-on, satirical post I came upon posted elsewhere on the internet(s), which I shamelessly repeat here, without any changes (the original post referenced a recently published book with contributions by women about their perceptions of HRC). I hope Camorrista doesn't mind:

(Original website whence this came: http://www.observer.com/2008/hillary-and-feminine-gaze-close-and-personal)

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Camorrista (not verified) says:

As a small public service, I've designed a Q & A for those who are are not fans of Hillary Clinton. It's available on a wallet-sized, laminated card and I offer it free to any of the writers the anthology under review. (If Gaylord and Renatam, above, want copies, all they need to do is do what they do best, shriek.)

What's your occupation? I hate Hillary Clinton.

What's your hobby? I hate Hillary Clinton.

Do you do volunteer work? I hate Hillary Clinton.

Do you love children? I hate Hillary Clinton.

How's your sex life? I hate Hillary Clinton.

Do you believe in God? I hate Hillary Clinton.


February 02, 2008 3:39 PM

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That about sums it up for some Hillary haters here, in absurd fashion!

[lwcon]

93. That sounds like a qualified individual...

... in case either Obama or McCain gets the White House.

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[bcoylepa]

86. watch out with hate

it will bite back

[lwcon]

91. I'm hating hate here. Is that a problem?

It's satire, folks.

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[0007]

87. Wanna know how much these two sicken me? They've gotten me to stop thinking lately about how much

the little prick in the White House sickens me. That's how much.

[mdmc]

92. kick for the subject line

:puke: for the rest

[lwcon]

95. Thank you for your unity!

Hope, change, and Hillary hate will lead us to a brighter and more unified future! With ponies, too!

Hooray!


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[mdmc]

111. Kick for the joy!

Fear not, my friend. HRC will be the next president of the USA. There is no stopping them...

[robbedvoter]

94. Also, she looks good when she cries

[SaveOurDemocracy]

98. Yikes !!! Shows how many people just read headlines.

I hate the hate too ... well done. k&r

[lwcon]

99. Thanks! n/t

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[cgrindley]

103. Yep. We've descended into some sort of cave full of stupid...

PS you cannot spell worth a fuck

[lwcon]

121. I don't like typos

Please point them out, if you would.

Too late to fix (at least on DU) if they're there, though.

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[KalicoKitty]

104. Your spelling shows your intelligence!

Get used to saying President Clinton once again. And get used to having a First Gentleman in the WH for the first time ever.

[ErnestoG]

106. And your post have proven your inability to address the topic.

congratulations.

[lwcon]

120. To what typos do you refer?

And I am rooting for HRC, which seems to have escaped you.

I suppose I should have use the plural of "faux pas," but that seemed a little much.

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[Marie26]

105. You've covered most of the reasons.

K&R. Are those your blog posts? They're really good!

[lwcon]

116. Thanks. All but one of the links are mine.

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[elixir]

107. I almost didn't have the stomach to read this when I saw the heading. Good stuff!

[George II]

108. Amazingly obnoxious and inappropriate post - who do you LIKE?? My bet is...

either Mitt Romney or John McCain. Possibly even Huckabee???

[libbygurl]

110. Hint: Read it more thoroughly next time around. nt

[ElboRuum]

127. Proof Positive

That the :sarcasm: smiley is by far and away the most utile.

[SaveAmerica]

109. God, I miss Edwards

[hfojvt]

112. you've got enough reasons right there

"Because the media repeatedly tells me that, despite her centrist policies"

So, you admit she's a centrist? Then why shouldn't progressives oppose her?

[lwcon]

124. A progressive did oppose her

Unfortunately, he quit the campaign last week. :(

[demo dutch]

113. So IF she get's the nomination, you'll vote GOP??????? A 100 yrs in Iraq

and no healthcare and a lousy economy?

[lwcon]

117. Um, no. Please read and comprehend.

It's called "satire." Thank you.


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[ErnestoG]

119. as opposed to Hillary's Operation Take Tehran?

[Mithreal]

114. It's SATIRE, it's SATIRE, it's SATIRE, it's SATIRE...

Holy smokes, people, stop jumping to conclusions and exercise that funny bone.

[lwcon]

118. Thank you

I guess people have seen enough posts that more understandably made them fly off the handle, and now they don't even bother to read what's in front of them.

Either that, or some children were left behind.

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[McCamy Taylor]

115. So good!

[IndieLeft]

122. It sounds like...

you're trying to illicit a great degree of sympathy for Clinton to ramp up the gender vote. You know how this works; say enough mean things about her so that people will drive the vote. A great majority of women don't use their votes in an irrational way. Many of these posts are manipulative and in some ways mean spirited and dishonest. Let's act with civility more often than not.

Votes matter, don't they? After 7 years of vote rigging and dishonesty on the part of the Republicans, when Democrats get an overwhelming majority, let's not act like they did.

[lwcon]

123. I'm *parodying* the mean things said about her n/t

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[Spiffarino]

126. All good reasons to "hate" her.

She's my second choice behind Obama, who was my choice behind Edwards. She gets the nomination, she gets my support. And that, my friends, is that.

Screw the Republicans.

[Myrina]

129. Yawn

:freak:

[Nihilistic]

131. "* Because, unlike Obama, she doesn't inspire cult-like devotion"

How silly of me. How could I have not known that the Clinton supporters are all reasonable, intelligent and focused on the issues while the Obama supporters are all obsessive, faddish and thoroughly misguided?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

133. brilliant!