KRUGMAN: Obama health care faulty, covers fewer, won't be passed...

[Didereaux]

Despite some flat out lying going on here in DU-P Krugman does not like, nor have anything good to say about Obamas' health plan. Kill the lie, and if the liars get in the way....welllllllllllll
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/opinion/04krugman.html?hp

[joshcryer]

1. Oh, this will be talked about all day, but the Krugman haters shall come in force.

They'll come to bash Krugman on a completely tangental basis, but they'll come nevertheless.

[Didereaux]

2. please keep this k/r'd or keep reposting the truth.... thanks

[Yossariant]

7. Yes, I will!

What is "k/r'd" and how do I do that? :blush:

[thunder rising]

3. Krugman can lick my tangent!

[Vinca]

4. Assuming all of this is true, Hillary's plan faces the same fate.

The president alone cannot institute a health care plan and unless you get some kind of unity to overcome the 60 votes, we'll get zero as far as universal health INSURANCE goes.

[joshcryer]

5. Hillary's plan has a great chance of passing.

Because she has both a government insurer and private insurers, the market obsessed GOP people will "believe in the market over the government" and pass the law. It'll be a joke.

What they fail to recognize is that the government insurer is in fact single payer in disguise, and over time the private insurers can be dropped, as they either go out of business, or refuse to be part of the health insurance business. The only ones left standing being those for the wealthy (such as in the UK).

[Vinca]

8. The plan might have a chance, but the person delivering it won't.

Nothing will rally the Republicans like another Clinton in the White House. Unless we have a supermajority in Congress - a possibility to be sure - they will block anything she tries to do. Just because she's Hillary Clinton. This really isn't an anti-Hillary post, it's just the way it happens to be. They despise her.

[Didereaux]

6. but you are not addressing the OP, it is about stopping a blatant lie!

Such outright lies do not help any candidate, and in fact may well harm Obama. The object is to get a HEALTH CARE PLAN!

[OzarkDem]

9. Krugman makes excellent points

the biggest point (same one many of us here have been making) is that the uninsured are a big financial burden, both on the health care system and on any health care reform program and ultimately a taxpayer burden.

Yes, its quantifiable and proven.

from Krugman's column

Mr. Gruber finds that a plan without mandates, broadly resembling the Obama plan, would cover 23 million of those currently uninsured, at a taxpayer cost of $102 billion per year. An otherwise identical plan with mandates would cover 45 million of the uninsured — essentially everyone — at a taxpayer cost of $124 billion. Over all, the Obama-type plan would cost $4,400 per newly insured person, the Clinton-type plan only $2,700.

Will it be difficult to pass? Yes. And even more difficult when Obama uses fear, false information, demagoguery and right wing talking points in public discussion of the issue. These tactics will kill the chance of any meaningful health care reform, Obama's plan included.

If Mr. Obama gets to the White House and tries to achieve universal coverage, he’ll find that it can’t be done without mandates — but if he tries to institute mandates, the enemies of reform will use his own words against him. I'd like an Obama supporter to prove to me that he isn't aware that his demagoguery against Clinton's plan will also hurt chances of passing his own version.