"The scary side of Obama"

[zabet]

http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/253096/57/

Barack Obama's rousing speech on Martin Luther King Day showed his potential to redeem America -- or wreck it.

Or maybe it just revealed his potential to be the latest in a long line of airy idealists who crash to earth after colliding with the reality of politics.

In the speech, the Illinois senator evoked America's highest ideals while simultaneously telling his listeners: "We must admit that none of our hands are entirely clean" -- conveying a sense that he didn't reject his political opponents, yet wanted to draw them into a great mutual enterprise that could finally erase the nation's greatest failures. He stirred his listeners, yet never lost control of himself or his audience.

Those leaders who can genuinely evoke the nation's ideals rouse us. Those who can touch our emotions thrill us. John Kennedy and Ronald Reagan come to mind. Obama may be in their league. That is why, no matter what the polls or pundits say, or how many votes he won Saturday or will win in the next few weeks, he is likely to remain a force on the American scene.

Yet his speech also showed weaknesses, as a politician and a leader. In Atlanta, he took as his theme, "Unity is the great need of the hour." But, as many commentators have pointed out, partisan strife, not unity, is a sign of political health. Only dictatorships produce 100-percent unity.

More at the link - please read whole article before jumping
off the deep end. :)

[thunder rising]

1. You been saving this for a while, have 'ya? Keep grasping at those straws.

[zabet]

6. No,

actually ran across the
article yesterday. Kinda
shoots down your presumption.

[Vinca]

2. Ooooh, booga booga booga - beware the black Muslim.

Barack HUSSEIN Obama. That's what you really want to post.

[H2O Man]

4. I think she did.

I will have trouble sleeping. EEEEEEKKKK!

[zabet]

9. No, I did not.

I cut and pasted an article
I did not write and provided
a link.

Show where I did what you accuse
me of. :shrug:

[H2O Man]

10. The OP

[zabet]

13. Did I write that article? NO

So you are wrong, I did
not call Obama anything
but Obama.

:eyes:

[H2O Man]

16. Actually

you are wrong -- I did not say you wrote the OP. But you did post it. You are attempting to appeal to the ugly side of human nature, and to use fear and ignorance to advance your agenda. I think that is wrong, and harmful to the democratic party. It is possible to advocate for either Clinton or Obama without resorting to the tactics you are using here.

[zabet]

18. I have no agenda here...

another presumptuous assumption on
your part.
I am not appealing to anything. The article
offers a perspective that is very real to many
voters out there, a smart campaign would be wrong
to ignore that fact, however unpleasant it may be.
You also assume by default that I support Hillary,
another miss. I have no horse in this race. I do
get tired of the fact that there is NO civil discourse
on this board when a differing point of view is offered.
As long as I have been here, and as much as I have read
here before the primaries brought out the ugly in everyone,
I would have expected better than personal attacks from you.

[H2O Man]

20. Sure you do.

Post #11 is cleare evidence of your agenda. It is based on some classic errors in thinking, and is really in poor taste. I think it is hard to take your claim to wanting "civil discourse" seriously when you post trash like that. Pointing that out is not a "personal attack" -- I have no idea who you are, much less if you are aware of how offensive your comments on this thread are.

[zabet]

26. Offensive?!?!?!!!

Have you looked at the responses
in general on threads that do not
promote Obama?

I post trash, I get it, I am beneath you :eyes:
I see shit posted here from Drudge, Freeperville
and many right-wing sites and as long as it is not
against Obama it doesn't seem to be too big a deal.
That could be partly because either there are more
Obama supporters here than Hillary supporters, or
that the Hillary supporters, being used to attacks,
are a little less sensitive about it.

[H2O Man]

28. I have responded

to the trash posted about both candidates. I find the appeals to fear and hatred offensive, no matter who posts them, or who the target is.

Perhaps rather than trying to justify your behavior with comments about my thinking it is beneath me, or attempting to focus attention on others who post Drudge, you should concentrate on not pushing those things that should be below you.

[zabet]

29. Again, even though it is not pleasant..

it is a very real reality for some
voters out there. A smart campaign
would be amiss to not at least see
that there are different perspectives.
This campaign in the primaries is going
to be too close, every single vote will
count. Addressing the fears undecided voters
have about Obama, may give him the extra
push he needs against the Clinton machine.
To ignore every potential undecided voter
because they question things, would be
a gross display of arrogance and ignorance.

[H2O Man]

31. I think it

is good to be aware of and to confront those gross displays of arrogance and ignorance.

[zabet]

34. Me too.

Let me ask, did you read the entire
article at the link? The 4 paragraphs
I am allowed to paste are not truly
idicative of the whole article.

[zabet]

7. Delete - duplicate post

[cali]

15. Here's a serious answer to your question.

Obama doesn't need any help with the AA vote, and I'm sure he recognizes that Jackson is a controversial figure with white voters, and particularly with Jewish voters. Why should he have Jackson campaigning for him? Oh, and obviously you're unaware that Sharpton supports Clinton. Wouldn't it be a little arrogant of Obama to ask someone who supports his opponent to campaign for him?

[zabet]

17. I suppose this is a lie then....

Reverend Al Sharpton is undecided about backing Barack Obama
Friday, November 30th 2007, 4:00 AM

The Rev. Al Sharpton endorsed Barack Obama's choice of chow Thursday night - but said he was undecided about backing him for President.

"A man who likes fried chicken and corn bread can't be all that bad," Sharpton declared with a smile after he and the Illinois senator dined at Sylvia's Restaurant in Harlem.

Asked if he would endorse Obama over Sen. Hillary Clinton, Sharpton replied, "I haven't made a decision yet."

Obama later delivered a speech at the Apollo Theater, where he was introduced by comedian Chris Rock. Obama pledged to get the U.S. out of Iraq, provide health care for all and raise the minimum wage every year to keep pace with inflation.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2007/11/30/2007-11-30_reverend_al_sharpton_is_undecided_about_.html


Or maybe Obama is scared of being outshined again in speaking
event by Al Sharpton as he was here.....

"Al Sharpton and Barack Obama

Wow Democratic National Convention

Rev. Al Sharpton stole the show"

http://www.nathanielturner.com/alsharptonandbarackobama.htm

[cali]

19. you've completely fucking lost it.

Al Sharpton endorsing Obama's taste in food is not an endorsement of him for president.

And it looks like we're both wrong- only I'm not so delusional that I'd think that an endorsement of menu choice is an endorsement of a candidate. How bizarre of you.

http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/42104/

[zabet]

21. Cali, no one can have civil discourse with you...

I quote from the article I posted, the 2nd half of the first
line, which you convienently ignored.....
"...but said he was undecided about backing him for President."

Do you make good money cherry picking?
:rofl:

[cali]

22. undecided, dear jane, is not an endorsement

so let me ask, why you think someone who hasn't endorsed Obama should campaign for him. And why should Obama have someone who is divisive among white voters, such as Jackson, campaign for him when he already has the vast majority of the African American vote?

I don't expect a substantive reply.

[zabet]

24. It seems to me like

the more he could get the
better it would be for him.
Would not 100% support be the
best?

And as far as the undecided,
I know that, that response was
in reply to another poster that
said Sharpton was promoting Clinton.
I posted that not to prove he endorsed Obama
but, to prove that he was undecided.

You may want to read the whole thread
to get it. I don't expect it, I expect
more cherry picking and snide remarks
that are the norm for you.

[cali]

25. YOU are the one that asked why Obama wasn't having Sharpton

campaign for him.

And no, having 100% support from the African American community isn't necessarily good for Obama. duh. The racial split sucks. I'd actually like to see less of it. Furthermore, why should any community vote in a block? It's ugly to see people who think that all African Americans think alike.

[zabet]

27. I never said that I think ALL African-Americans think alike...

being mixed myself, I know better.
I think it would reflect that Obama spoke
to them all regardless of their differences,
(you know - unity) not that they all think a certain
way.
As far as the racial split goes, when it is
constantly pointed out in the press how many
whites, males and females, and how many blacks,
males and females, voted and who they voted for
- this promotes the racial divide by making the
election about race.

[zabet]

11. No, what I really want to post is...

Why is Obama ashamed to have 2 of
the most prominent African-American
political figures stump for and endorse
him?
Where are Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
Are they a little too controversial for him?

[H2O Man]

12. Appeals to ignorance

are so unappealing.

[zabet]

14. oooooh....

I am so hurt.....not.
It doesn't mean that much
to me, to mean that much to you.

[venable]

30. except that the OP was saying almost the opposite

he is nothing to be afraid of, and that's the problem.

quit resorting to knee-jerk defense when you don't understand the conversation.

[zabet]

32. Thank you for reading the whole article.

Sadly, I think you are the only one
who did.

[elixir]

35. Drag it right into the "racial pit". And DU was doing so well to get away from this stupidity.

The OP had nothing to do with race and everything to do with message. Obama provides wonderful inspiration but not enough content to bring the country behind him.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Holy Cow

So Bush winning the election by less than 1% was a good thing.

I'm glad that we have a healthy electorate.

But wait! Almost all of us believe in global warming! How awful.

[americathabeautiful]

5. The NORMAL side of Hillary

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/1/234527/0014/392/448115

[psychopomp]

8. Anybody has the chance to make a mess of things

The strange thing about the American Presidency is that there is nothing you can have done that can prepare you for the experience of being President.

No matter how together you are, nor how wise your circle of advisers may be, you may still foul it up.

[Bluenorthwest]

23. This posting sucks, and I am not yet committed

I'm not with Obama nor with Hillary at this time. I vote in March. This sort of posting, which happens on both sides, is a huge turn off.
Obama is not going to wreck America, for crying out loud! Even GW couldn't accomplish that fully! The nation will improve under either Democrat. He may not be my dream candidate, but he sure is not going to wreck America! Please!

[Little Star]

33. Sound like you are committed. Maybe I am wrong. Will

Hillary wreck America, for crying out loud? Either is better than ANY Repig. Why no reference to Hillary in your post?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

36. :O

:scared:

[Adelante]

37. I am so askeered

Of the skinny fella with the big ears :scared: