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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:02 AM
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Brad DeLong: "I think Paul Krugman has got this one wrong"
January 15, 2008

Stimulus Packages: Edwards, Clinton, Obama

I think Paul Krugman has got this one wrong. He writes:

Responding to Recession - New York Times: John Edwards... driving his party’s policy agenda... has done it again on economic stimulus: last month, before the economic consensus turned as negative as it now has, he proposed a stimulus package including aid to unemployed workers, aid to cash-strapped state and local governments, public investment in alternative energy, and other measures. Last week Hillary Clinton offered a broadly similar but somewhat larger proposal. (It also includes aid to families having trouble paying heating bills, which seems like a clever way to put cash in the hands of people likely to spend it.) The Edwards and Clinton proposals both contain provisions for bigger stimulus if the economy worsens....

The Obama campaign’s initial response to the latest wave of bad economic news was, I’m sorry to say, disreputable: Mr. Obama’s top economic adviser claimed that the long-term tax-cut plan the candidate announced months ago is just what we need to keep the slump from “morphing into a drastic decline in consumer spending.” Hmm: claiming that the candidate is all-seeing, and that a tax cut originally proposed for other reasons is also a recession-fighting measure — doesn’t that sound familiar?

Bear in mind that I don't yet believe that the case for a fiscal stimulus is strong--although I may change my mind in a month or two, depending on how the data flow looks. The principal organization for successful stabilization policy is the Federal Reserve. Congress and the president have a role to play only in two situations: first, if monetary policy has shot its bolt and cannot do anything more--and we are far from that point--and second, if the Federal Reserve has been caught flat-footed in the wrong policy position, unemployment is rising rapidly, and it is important to get cash quickly into the hands of people who will spend it and so keep the rise in unemployment from being as large. We are not there yet--at least I don't think so--but we may be there in three months.

From this perspective Obama's plan looks pretty good:

Obama stimulus package emphasizes quick cash in hand: a $250 tax credit to 150 million workers to offset the payroll tax paid on the first $8,100 of earnings. He urged a further $250 tax credit per worker if employment declines three months in a row. He also would give a one-time, $250 payment to Social Security recipients who would not benefit from the tax credit, followed by another $250 payment if employment declines three months straight. The immediate relief would cost $45 billion, plus another $45 billion if the economy weakened...

The plan is clean: there is no place for lobbyists to hang ornaments on it--which means that quick passage is possible. The first $45 billion of checks could be cut and sent out with this April's tax refunds. It meets Elmendorf and Furman's http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/papers/2008/0110_fiscal_stimulus_elmendorf_furman/0110_fiscal_stimulus_elmendorf_furman.pdf requirements that a fiscal stimulus be timely and temporary. It does not do so well on "targeted"--it doesn't do a great job at making sure the money gets to people who will spend it and thus boost aggregate demand--but this is at least partly offset by its simplicity, which is indeed essential if we are going to get the timely and the temporary right.

John Edwards's and Hillary Rodham Clinton's plans look, to me, likely to be less effective. Consider Hillary Rodham Clinton's:

Talking Points Memo | Clinton offers economic stimulus plan: a $30 billion housing crisis fund to help states and localities deal with the fallout of foreclosures... ease the effects of vacant properties with anti-blight programs and helping local housing authorities buy and rent out vacant properties. Setting a 90-day moratorium on subprime mortgages of at least five years, or until housing lenders have converted mortgages into loans families can afford. The proposal also would increase the portfolio caps at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Providing $25 billion in emergency energy assistance for families facing rising heating bills.... Providing $10 billion to extend unemployment insurance for those struggling to find work while supporting families. Providing $5 billion in energy efficiency by doing such things as giving tax credits to encourage purchases of low emission vehicles and efficient appliances windows and other clean technologies. She also proposes funds to train and put to work people making public buildings more energy efficient...

These are all worthy causes--things that the government should be spending more money on. But this is not a bill that can be passed quickly--the housing provisions, at least, are one of those things where the devil is in the details of the drafting and where quick, clean passage and implementation is almost impossible. Funds to train and put to work people making public buildings more energy efficient--well, those aren't timely. The proposal is not Obama's: we are going to stimulate demand by cutting a lot of identical checks via a refundable tax credit--a thing that the government can do well and quickly. And this, I think, matters a lot. As Stan Collender wrote last Thursday:

Christmas 2008 May Be Coming Early For Lobbyists | Capital Gains and Games: A tax lobbyist friend told me yesterday that he's gone into the economic stimulus business. In response to my inquiring look that begged for more information, he said that I'd be surprised how many industries and professions have tax reductions that they want in any economic stimulus package that is considered this year and are looking to him to come up with arguments that confirm they will, indeed, be stimulative. In other words, even though it hasn't yet been introduced, the economic stimulus that has become all the rage in Washington these days has already become a Christmas tree with everyone and anyone who has something they want to do trying to reframe that proposal in terms of its positive impact on the economy. In case anyone hasn't noticed, this includes the White House, with the president all but saying that the reason the economy may be slowing is because of uncertainty about whether the tax cuts enacted during his administration will be extended when they expire in 2010. None of this is suprising. Even though its chances of being enacted are small, an economic stimulus bill may be the only thing that actually moves through the legislative process this year. In lobbyist parlance: it may be the only train leaving the station in 2008. But no matter how good the messaging, loading up the bill with a variety of provisions is one of the things most likely to lead to its demise. It will be too big, too political, too expensive, and take far too long to debate and pass.

The best way to keep a stimulus bill from becoming a lobbyist-pleasing ineffective and destructive Christmas tree in which a lot of the money goes to people who won't spend it and a lot more to people who shouldn't get it is to keep the legislative vehicle simple and clean. Boosting employment in the short term by cutting a lot of identical checks by April if we need to is something congress and the IRS can do. And Obama's plan seems to me to have the best chance of doing that--if he can sign Pelosi and Reid up to move a clean, focused bill.

John Edwards and Hillary Rodham Clinton and their staffs--they don't seem to have grasped that governance is best when you ask congress to do things that are within its competence, and ask the administrative branch to do things that are within its competence. They might respond that these stimulus packages are political rather than policy documents--acts of campaigning rather than acts of governance--and they are right, up to a point.


James Bradford DeLong (b. June 24, 1960, Boston) is a professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley and a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the United States Department of the Treasury in the Clinton Administration. He is also a research associate of the National Bureau of Economic Research, and is a visiting scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco.<1>

DeLong is co-editor of The Economists' Voice,<2> and has in the past been co-editor of the widely read Journal of Economic Perspectives. He is also the author of a textbook, Macroeconomics, the second edition of which he coauthored with Martha Olney. He writes a monthly syndicated op-ed column for Project Syndicate.

As an official in the Treasury Department in the Clinton administration, he worked on the 1993 budget, on the Uruguay Round of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, on the North American Free Trade Agreement, on the unsuccessful health care reform effort, and on other policies.

He writes a weblog, Brad DeLong's Semi-Daily Journal, which covers political, technical, and economic issues as well as criticism of their coverage in the media; he also contributes to Shrillblog and maintains a political commentary site, Egregious Moderation.

DeLong is both a liberal in the modern American political sense and a free trade neo-liberal. He is part of a loose grouping of center-left bloggers who include Kevin Drum (formerly "CalPundit") of The Washington Monthly, Joshua Micah Marshall of Talking Points Memo, Matt Yglesias of The Atlantic Monthly, Ezra Klein, and the group webloggers of Obsidian Wings, The RBC, and Crooked Timber, among others. He is also part of a lively grouping of economics-focused webloggers including Mark Thoma of Economist's View, Tyler Cowen and Alex Tabarrok of Marginal Revolution, Dani Rodrik, George Borjas, Andrew Samwick of Vox Baby, Jim Hamilton and Menzie Chinn of Econobrowser, Max Sawicky of Max Speak, You Listen!, and Brad Setser of Roubini Global Economics, among others.

DeLong lives in suburban Lafayette, California, and is married to Ann Marie Marciarille <3>, AARP Health and Aging Policy Research Fellow at Pacific McGeorge's Capital Center for Government Law and Policy <4>. He received his Ph.D. from Harvard University in 1987. Before moving to Berkeley, he taught at Harvard, Boston University, and MIT.





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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:07 AM
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1. Krugman
has been on something of anti-obama tear. He makes some good points, but I think his biases are getting the better of him lately.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:23 AM
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5. Krugman has critiqued some of Obama's policy plans
not Obama himself. Obama-bots think any attack about Obama's policy plans is an attack on Obama himself. that's not true.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:33 AM
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7. Fine
A valid distinction. I'm not a 'bot' of any kind, but Krugman has been devoting a lot of space lately to criticizing Obama's policies, which is his peragotive. But he's not The Oracle, as some Krugma-bots would have you believe.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:34 PM
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12. Krugman is dealing in spin! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:15 AM
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2. Wow!
Where did all the fans of the anti-Obama Krugman go?
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:16 AM
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3. Brad DeLong also doesn't believe the case for a fiscal stimulus is strong.
I think I'll trust Krugman's judgementover his on this.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:23 AM
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4. He completely debunked Krugman's argument, and his expertise speaks for itself. n/t
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:52 AM
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10. Actually, he barely addresses Krugman's argument.
And, the essential reason he gives for favoring one bill over the other (the ease with which it will pass through Congress) is not in his area of expertise.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:44 PM
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13. I searched his academic record on ProQuest
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 09:48 PM by spooky3
and the nicest way to describe it is "meager", particularly compared to Krugman's. He's done a lot of writing for the mass media, but very little in top scholarly journals, which is by far the most important measure of reputation in his field. Only 12 articles in "scholarly" outlets--including peer-reviewed journals, very few of which are the best journals, under the name "Bradford DeLong"; at least one of these is a book review. His site at Berkeley that focuses on recent stuff doesn't show any more. In contrast, for example, Krugman has more than 100 publications in this type of outlet. ProQuest is imperfect but not so imperfect that you can't get an idea about the relative stature and contributions to the field. Interestingly, they co-authored at least one paper.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:25 AM
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6. so will I.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:35 AM
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9. so you are incapable of making your own case for Clintons plan and just take Krugman's word for it?
typical for this forum.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:34 AM
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8. Krugman dislikes Obama and has tried to bring him down.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:00 PM
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11. It's bizarre! More:
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 01:02 PM by ProSense
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:47 PM
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14. No shit Krugman was wrong! He is nothing but a shill for Hill now.
It has been obvious to the rest of us, who know what the financial problems are in this country, and that Hillary's plan to fix them is seriously flawed. But, Krugman always tries to make it appear that she had the better plan all the way around. It wasn't true then, it isn't true now.

Because Hillary supported the fucking IRAQ WAR!!
And that war is a major drain on the economy - yet Krugman refuses to admit that in his over-the-top hype of Hillary.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:32 PM
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15. 40 of the top Economists endorsed Edwards plan..Hillary all but copied Edwards plan...
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 10:34 PM by flyarm
http://www.everydaycitizen.com/2008/01/economists_endorse_john_edward.html

Economists Endorse John Edwards for President
By Lucy Belnora
January 10, 2008

Over 40 leading economists have joined together in the last few days to express support for John Edwards' understanding of the economy and his plans for strengthening the U.S. economy.

"I'm proud to endorse John Edwards and his campaign to build One America," said James Galbraith, the Lloyd M. Bentsen, Jr. Chair in Government/Business Relations at the LBJ School of Public Affairs, University of Texas at Austin.
"Edwards understands that in order for America to prosper, our economy needs to reward work as well as wealth - and he's proposed detailed and comprehensive policies to address the growing income gap, the health care crisis, job loss and the other critical social issues facing our nation."


The brand new and rapidly growing group, Economists for John Edwards, includes such notable scholars as James K. Galbraith from the University of Texas at Austin; Deirdre McCloskey from the University of Illinois at Chicago; Thomas Palley, founder of the Economics for Democratic & Open Societies Project; Clyde Prestowitz, president of the Economic Strategies Institute; Harley Shaiken from the University of California, Berkeley; and Edward Wolff from New York University.

These economists released a joint statement saying they were endorsing Mr. Edwards because his campaign was "the single best expression of progressive political values in American politics today."

The growing group is comprised of leading economists that have signed the following statement:

"As professional economists, we support John Edwards for President of the United States in 2008 because we believe that John Edwards has best demonstrated the capacity and the policies to be the next president of the United States.
"We support John Edwards because we believe his campaign is the single best expression of progressive political values in American politics today.

"We support John Edwards because we believe that as president he will best wage the hard fight that lies ahead for the principles and programs we endorse.

"We support John Edwards because as economists, we seek effective public policy aimed at sustained growth, full employment, an end to poverty, and progress toward solving the major social and environmental problems associated with health care, education, trade, taxation and climate change.

"John Edwards' approach to these issues has been uniquely serious, honest, and far-reaching. We urge all Americans - and particularly the Democratic voters of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina - to join us in supporting John Edwards for president."


The list of economists that have recently come out in support of Edward includes, but is not limited to, these respected individuals:

Gar Alperovitz
Lionel R. Bauman Professor of Political Economy
University of Maryland-College Park

Lourdes Beneria
Professor of City and Regional Planning
Cornell University

Michael A. Bernstein
Provost
Tulane University

Martha Campbell
Associate Professor, Economics
SUNY Potsdam

Manuel Castells
Chair Professor of Communication Technology and Society
University of Southern California, and
Distinguished Visiting Professor of Science and Technology
MIT

Jane D'Arista
Former staff economist
U.S. House of Representatives

William Darity, Jr.
Arts & Sciences Professor of Public Policy Studies
Professor of African and Africa-American Studies and Economics
Duke University

Paul Davidson
Editor, Journal of Post Keynesian Economics
Bernard Schwartz Center for Economic Policy Analysis
The New School University

Gerald Epstein
Professor of Economics
University of Massachusetts, Amherst

Susan F. Feiner
Director of Women's Studies
Professor of Economics
University of Southern Maine

James K. Galbraith
Lloyd M. Bentsen, Jr. Chair in Government/Business Relations
LBJ School of Public Affairs
The University of Texas at Austin, and
Senior Scholar, Levy Economics Institute

Richard Garrett
Associate Professor of Economics
Division of Accounting and Business Management
Marymount Manhattan College

Mary King
Professor of Economics
Portland State University

Jan Kregel
Visiting Distinguished Research Professor of Economics
The University of Missouri - Kansas City

Peter Hans Matthews
Department of Economics
Middlebury College
Middlebury, Vermont 05753

Deirdre McCloskey
Professor of Economics
University of Illinois at Chicago

Richard McIntyre
Honors Program Director and Professor of Economics
University of Rhode Island.

Thomas Michl
Professor of Economics
Colgate University

David Miller
Assistant Professor of Economics
University of California, San Diego (UCSD)

John Miller
Professor of Economics
Wheaton College

Tracy Mott
Professor of Economics
University of Colorado at Boulder

Thomas Palley
Founder
Economics for Democratic & Open Societies Project

Dimitri Papadimitriou
President
Levy Economics Institute
Bard College

Chip Poirot
Associate Professor of Economics
Department of Social Sciences
Shawnee State University

Robert Pollin
Professor of Economics and Director,
Political Economy Research Institute (PERI)
University of Massachusetts-Amherst

Robert Prasch
Associate Professor of Economics
Middlebury College

Clyde Prestowitz
President
Economic Strategies Institute

Bruce Roberts
Professor of Economics
University of Southern Maine

J. Barkley Rosser
Professor of Economics
James Madison University

Harley Shaiken
Class of 1930 Professor
Graduate School of Education and Department of Geography
University of California, Berkeley

Nina Shapiro
Professor and Chair
Department of Economics and Finance,
Saint Peter's College

Edward Wolff
Professor of Economics
New York University

Martin Wolfson
Professor of Economics and Policy Studies
University of Notre Dame

L. Randall Wray
Research Director
Center for Full Employment and Price Stability
Department of Economics
University of Missouri-Kansas City, and
Senior Scholar, Levy Economics Institute
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