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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:24 AM
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In Health Debate, Clinton Remains Vague on Penalties
NYT: In Health Debate, Clinton Remains Vague on Penalties
By KEVIN SACK
Published: February 4, 2008

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton inched closer Sunday to explaining how she would enforce her proposal that everyone have health insurance, but declined to specify — as she has throughout the campaign — how she would penalize those who refuse. Mrs. Clinton, who did not answer Senator Barack Obama’s question on the topic in a debate last Thursday, was pressed repeatedly to do so Sunday by George Stephanopoulos on the ABC program “This Week.” When Mr. Stephanopoulos asked a third time whether she would garnish people’s wages, Mrs. Clinton responded, “George, we will have an enforcement mechanism, whether it’s that or it’s some other mechanism through the tax system or automatic enrollments.” She then added that the focus on enforcement clouded a more important point, that her proposal to cover the uninsured was superior to Mr. Obama’s because she would mandate coverage for all, while he would require it only for children.

What might seem a mundane debate over health policy has taken on outsized importance in the approach to Tuesday’s voting because it is one of the few substantive differences between the two leading Democratic presidential candidates.... Mr. Obama asserts that his plan, which is like Mrs. Clinton’s in its use of government subsidies to reduce the cost of insurance, would effectively guarantee coverage to anyone who wants it. But about 20 percent of the uninsured have household incomes of $75,000 or more, according to the Census Bureau, meaning they presumably can afford coverage but prefer to take the risk. Mrs. Clinton argues that these “free riders” impose a hidden tax on the insured because their uncompensated care must be factored into medical charges and insurance rates.

Mr. Obama’s campaign has tried for months to move from defense to offense by pressing Mrs. Clinton to explain how she would enforce her mandate....

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Mr. Obama raised the Clinton campaign’s ire late last week by charging in a voter mailing that “Hillary’s health care plan forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can’t afford it... and you pay a penalty if you don’t.” Mrs. Clinton argues that she can make premiums affordable for low-income workers by spending $110 billion on subsidies and cost-saving devices. Like Mr. Obama, she would pay for her plan primarily by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire for the wealthiest Americans. She would not allow exemptions from the insurance mandate, as Massachusetts does for those who cannot afford even subsidized premiums....

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The reason for the continuing vagueness is simple, said Robert J. Blendon, a Harvard professor of health policy and political analysis. “Whenever you talk about penalties, you lose some number of people who support the principle of universal coverage,” he said. “It’s the equivalent of candidates proposing new programs that may lead to a tax increase but never wanting to discuss it.” The Obama campaign hopes to make Mrs. Clinton pay a price, not just on health policy but on the issue of character. Bill Burton, the Obama campaign’s spokesman, said on Sunday that Mrs. Clinton had “again refused to directly answer the question,” and added, “America needs a leader they can trust, not someone who will avoid hard questions.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/us/politics/04checkpoint.html
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:25 AM
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1. While Obama remains vague on interest in same. n/t
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:27 AM
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4. LOL - amazing how the NYT and all media are pushing Obama - the corporations have made their choice
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:28 AM
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6. yes both plans will not see the light of day
they will receive some really hacked up versions of a healthcare plan from the house and senate that basically will be the same pile of shit we have now.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:33 AM
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9. She claims full participation is key to success, he doesn't. nt
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:22 PM
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11. Universal health care is not his passion.
He is just going through the motions. He has no intention of pushing this agenda item.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:26 AM
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2. Good thing that Obama is specific about levying fines under his plan
Maybe he can make a campaign slogan out of it.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:26 AM
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3. Looks like Hillary Clinton is "voting present" on her health plan enforcement!
:rofl:
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:28 AM
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5. Low income workers aren't the only ones who can't afford it
Of course I wouldn't qualify as a low income household but I am insurance poor right now. Add to the fact that on my last hospital bill my insurance only paid $1900 out of $7300. Guess who has to pay the rest.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:31 AM
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7. at least you had something paid...
my wifes insurance company has`t paid my hospital bill for 6 months now..the billing dept at the hospital can`t get them to pay either...i doubt either plan has any enforcement on this practice...
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:39 AM
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10. I should restate that
They agreed to pay that much. It's a recent bill and I don't know if or when they will actually pay it. Something like your case happened to me once with a surgery my oldest son had. It took almost two years for them to pay the hospital and that's when they even pre-approved the surgery. Good luck to you.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:31 AM
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8. And Obama is specific on fines in his plan.....?
An Obama-type plan would also face the problem of healthy people who decide to take their chances or don’t sign up until they develop medical problems, thereby raising premiums for everyone else. Mr. Obama, contradicting his earlier assertions that affordability is the only bar to coverage, is now talking about penalizing those who delay signing up — but it’s not clear how this would work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/opinion/04krugman.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
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