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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:32 AM
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Why Paul Krugman is wrong or when Krugman was against mandates
Op-Ed Columnist

Golden State Gamble

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: January 12, 2007

A few days ago. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger unveiled an ambitious plan to bring universal health insurance to California. And I’m of two minds about it.

On one side, it’s very encouraging to see another Republican governor endorse the principle that all Americans are entitled to essential health care. Not long ago we were wondering whether the Bush administration would succeed in dismantling Social Security. Now we’re discussing proposals for universal health care. What a difference two years makes!

And if California — America’s biggest state, with a higher-than-average percentage of uninsured residents — can achieve universal coverage, so can the nation as a whole.

On the other side, Mr. Schwarzenegger’s plan has serious flaws. Maybe those flaws could be fixed once the principle of universal coverage was established — but there’s also the chance that we would end up stuck with those flaws, the way we ended up stuck with a dysfunctional system of insurance tied to employment.

Furthermore, in the end health care should be a federal responsibility. State-level plans should be seen as pilot projects, not substitutes for a national system. Otherwise, some states just won’t do the right thing. Remember, almost 25 percent of Texans are uninsured.

To understand both what’s right and what’s wrong with Mr. Schwarzenegger’s plan, let’s compare what he’s proposing with the plan he rejected. Last summer, the California Legislature passed a bill that would have created a single-payer health insurance system for the state — that is, a system similar to Medicare, under which residents would have paid fees into a state fund, which would then have provided insurance to everyone.

But the governor vetoed that bill, which would have bypassed private insurance companies. He appears to sincerely want universal coverage, but he also wants to keep insurance companies in the loop. As a result, he came up with a plan that, like the failed Clinton health care plan of the early 1990s, is best described as a Rube Goldberg device — a complicated, indirect way of achieving what a single-payer system would accomplish simply and directly.

There are three main reasons why many Americans lack health insurance. Some healthy people decide to save money and take their chances (and end up being treated in emergency rooms, at the public’s expense, if their luck runs out); some people are too poor to afford coverage; some people can’t get coverage, at least without paying exorbitant rates, because of pre-existing conditions.

Single-payer insurance solves all three problems at a stroke. The Schwarzenegger plan, by contrast, is a series of patches. It forces everyone to buy health insurance, whether they think they need it or not; it provides financial aid to low-income families, to help them bear the cost; and it imposes “community rating” on insurance companies, basically requiring them to sell insurance to everyone at the same price.

As a result, the plan requires a much more intrusive government role than a single-payer system. Instead of reducing paperwork, the plan adds three new bureaucracies: one to police individuals to make sure they buy insurance, one to determine if they’re poor enough to receive aid, and one to police insurers to make sure they don’t discriminate against the unwell.


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:43 AM
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1. No comment? n/t
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:51 AM
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2. Sure I'll comment
The CA plan does not provide a government insurance option (non-profit) to compete with insurers

A State does not have the power of the Fed Gov to reform insurance to the same degree.

Single payer is the eventual goal of Hillary's direction by including a non profit insurance, but is not the goal of this Calif plan.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:55 AM
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4. "It forces everyone to buy health insurance, whether they think they need it or not"
"As a result, the plan requires a much more intrusive government role than a single-payer system."

Hillary on "going after people's wages"
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:57 AM
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5. I think my first response stands on its own. nt
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:25 PM
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7. Hillary Clinton's plan will entrench the insurance industry further
The promise of a government plan to compete with private insurers is a load of hot air. The powerful insurance lobby will NEVER let that happen. Never. They are simply not going to participate in their own obsolescence. Either plan (and Obama's is crap too IMO) will have to get through Congress. When the reps who are in the pocket of the industry get done with it the government plan, if there is one, will be for the poor and "uninsurable" only. Everyone else will be forced (that mandate part will stay for sure) to buy private insurance.

If we want single payer, we need to get a lot of progressive Dems elected and pass HR676. You do not get to single payer by involving the people who are most opposed to it in the process, as both Clinton and Obama are doing.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:28 PM
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8. Exactly! nt
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:30 PM
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9. well you sure stick to your line well.
I guess its really the only way to discredit Hillary's plan is to say "You'll never get that!"
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:31 PM
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11. And you think the insurance industry is going to help plan its own demise. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:31 PM
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10. The author of HR676 endorsed Obama. n/t
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:41 PM
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12. Couldn't agree more.
I wrote a post about it, too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4384292&mesg_id=4384292

I'd appreciate a K&R for it if you agree, because I'd like to make sure people are reminded that there are bigger, better choices than the one on the table.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:52 AM
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3. Well, I don't think Obama will
appoint Krugman to head up the Federal Reserve. :)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:09 PM
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6. You have a point!
LOL!
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:46 PM
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13. nice catch. you must be paid by the Obama campaign... and if not
you should be!!!

Damn, you find the best stuff. One of the Obama MVP's on DU.

I love it, catching Krugman in his own hypocrisy.

:toast:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:47 PM
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14. Krugman does not in any point state being against mandates, he merely points out...
...a problem with them.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:49 PM
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15. This thread is a cesspool of irrational thinking. Where does Krugman say he's against mandates?
Please for the love of God someone rationalize here.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:21 AM
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16.  "Please for the love of God someone rationalize here." Wow! See the text in bold! n/t
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 01:47 AM by ProSense


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