What I don't get is...we know that the Hillary supporters are hurting...

[xultar]

yes they are lashing out. But your candidate Obama is in the lead. And instead of understanding
many of you are taking joy in rubbing their faces in it.

THAT SHIT IS PERSONAL.

It isn't want your candiate stands for. What I don't get is, your candidate is all about reaching out to republicans who have fucked up for the past 16 years. But you can't reach out to your fellow DUers with a little compassion who have actually been in the goddamned trenches with you.

THAT IS SICK.


Obama is about reaching out to a group of people who have hurt this country and all I see is people taking joy in kicking other Democrats when they are down.

That shit don't make no goddamned since. None

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[TwilightGardener]

1. Obama will most likely lose the nomination--you'll feel great after tomorrow, don't worry.

[Inuca]

11. ????? n/t

[TwilightGardener]

21. What? Conventional wisdom is that his "surge" is coming too late to put

him over the top in many states. I just heard it this morning on MSNBC. I still don't expect him to win the nom--even if he does well tomorrow, do you think Hillary and Bill will give up? I don't. I will be proud of him either way. Ecstatic if he wins, sad if he loses, but always proud.

[maq-az]

54. Been here before

Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Obama Clinton Edwards Richardson Spread

Final Results - - 36.4 39.0 16.9 4.6 Clinton +2.6

RCP Average 01/05 01/07 38.3 30.0 18.3 5.7 Obama +8.3
Suffolk/WHDH 01/06 01/07 LV 39 34 15 4 Obama +5.0
American Res. 01/07 600 LV 40 31 20 4 Obama +9.0
ReutersC-Span/Zogby 1/07 LV 42 29 17 5 Obama +13.0
Rasmussen 01/05 - 01/07 1774 LV 37 30 19 8 Obama +7.0
CNN/WMUR/UNH 01/05 - 01/06 599 LV 39 30 16 7 Obama +9.0
Marist 01/05 - 01/06 636 LV 36 28 22 7 Obama +8.0
CBS News 01/05 - 01/06 323 LV 35 28 19 5 Obama +7.0

[TwilightGardener]

57. Yep--I do not trust polls. There is no way to predict for certain how

things will break tomorrow. It's like a school of fish--it can suddenly turn on a dime and go the other way.

[loveangelc]

19. ...what are you talking about?lol

[calmblueocean]

2. 1 K&R from this Obama supporter!

There is so much mean, stupid, asinine silliness here now, I might as well be at GOP headquarters.

[maddiejoan]

3. On a side note

I recently started reading your blog. (linked in your sig)

good stuff!

[ronnykmarshall]

45. I love it too!

[saracat]

4. While both sides have been nasty I have never seen any thing ever like the viciousness

displayed by some who allegded to support a candidate who can unify.I am disgusted beyoned belief.

[Bluebear]

8. They're quoting Drudge, American Spectator, using old GOP slurs from the 90's...

what a nasty bunch of people.

[AtomicKitten]

20. Funny how you were fine when many Hillary supporters posted from the same sources.

In fact, you and many others cheered them on. Many were tombstoned.
Do the math on that and then get back to us about cheese and blind eyes, kay?

[Auntie Bush]

28. If Obama is anything like the people that support him...be careful

what you wish for. He's an unknown slate and has voted present on anything that may be controversial or telling about where he stands on the issues. Talk about secrecy! Who knows what he will do. He hasn't been there long enough to to make any decisions.

[bellasgrams]

56. I agree completely, and makes me wonder what kind of people

he will have in his admin. Are we in for more people like Rummy, Cheney? People that will twist and deny and deceive us?

[Coexist]

33. which makes me think that maybe they are here to do just that.

just sayin'.

I support Obama, and don't feel the need to be stupid.

On the flip side, there are some doing the same thing on the other side, and please don't tell me that they are not as bad - because they have their moments.

[BlackVelvet04]

5. It's real easy to talk about unity, but

when actually called on to put it into action it requires something besides words. Talk is cheap and it's really all just a bunch of talk.

[Deja Q]

36. How's Hillary going to build jobs in America, so we can pay for the plans she wants to create?

I keep missing the responses from others... one day I need to bookmark these and get back to them proper...

[BlackVelvet04]

65. Bless your little heart...

you really have trouble focusing on the OP, don't you? Why don't you start your own thread instead of spamming every thread with your question?

[BlackVelvet04]

71. Here ya go since you can't be bothered to go to her website and look it up for yourself,

if you need any help understanding the big words let me know. :-)


Empower our workers and ensure that all Americans contribute their fair share. Hillary will ensure that unions, which have played an important role in forming and sustaining the middle class, are strong. She will also ensure that trade policies work for average Americans. Trade policy must raise our standard of living, and they must have strong protections for workers and the environment.

Harness the power of innovation to create high wage jobs of the 21st Century. Investments in alternative energy can create new jobs for the 21st century; expanded access to broadband will bring opportunities to underserved and disadvantaged communities; the manufacturing base can be re-energized through creative partnerships; and increased government support for research will stimulate the development of new technologies and life-saving medicines. Hillary will restore integrity to science policy, reversing Bush administration policies that are holding our nation back.

She will restore and expand job opportunities for veterans by working to establish a system through which federal contractors afford veterans hiring preference comparable to the federal government’s.

Expand the Helmets to Hardhats Program. Hillary will increase funding for the Helmets to Hardhats program. This program links veterans with local job opportunities in the construction and trade industries by offering apprenticeship programs that teach veterans through on-the-job training supplemented by classroom instruction.

Overhaul the R&E tax credit to make the U.S. a more attractive location for high-paying jobs. The 20% incremental tax credit should be made permanent. Since its introduction in 1981, the credit has been extended 12 times and allowed to lapse once. A permanent credit would make the U.S. a more attractive location for R&D facilities, increasing the likelihood that high-paying research jobs will be created here rather than abroad. Hillary Clinton proposes to make the tax credit permanent in order to eliminate uncertainty, and to make it easier for companies to plan their R&D budgets.

Hillary also believes that there are many other opportunities to create good jobs and improve key services in rural areas. Production of biofuels, wind power, and other clean energy sources offers enormous potential to create jobs, reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and reduce the growing threat of global warming. Her health care plan will cover all Americans, and her education plan will help recruit more teachers to rural America.

[BlackVelvet04]

86. Just as I thought...

you weren't looking for info you were looking to spam.

[Benhurst]

6. Maybe you are confusing the touchie-feely rhetoric of the campaign

with its reality.

:shrug:

[Barack_America]

7. Please note that not all Obama supporters are participating...

Thanks.

*sigh* The sad thing is that it was bound to get nasty in here either way.

[cali]

9. that's just twisted. I know damn well that Obama is NOT in the

lead. And there aren't any analysts that put him there.

YOU should be ashamed of yourself- pretending to non partisan and not taking sides when you clearly are.

I have defended Hillary Clinton repeatedly for months and you fucking know it.

People are rubbing my face in my support for the underdog. I guess you have no problem with Obama being compared to a Kenyan leader or called a Manchurian candidate, or my being repeatedly called a cultist koolaid drinker.

Wake the fuck up. This shit is going on on BOTH sides.

[Mass]

10. Please not that the BS goes both way - It does not justify it, but

it is tiring to see always the same side blamed.

BTW, Clinton has a good chance to win tomorrow.

[xultar]

15. True. But you know, When you're on top it is a lot easier to be compassionate.

[bellasgrams]

59. Who knows who's really on top. Everyone has a diff. poll.

It's awfully close we know that. From here it looks like Hillary is the underdog just from the comments.

[Raffi Ella]

70. I'm quite surprised

that more people don't realize that this is the point of your post...And I'm even more surprised that you let on about it.


Your nastiness shines through loud and clear to me.I'm sure I'm not the only Democrat to see this post for exactly what it is: Divisive and small,just as Obama has been when he's scored points.I'm proud of Obama for closing in on Hillarys lead and I will campaign for him as if for my own life if he wins the Nomination.Count on that!


Unity is voting for the Democratic Nominee.Let's all remember that,regardless of what Obama has said about his supporters not voting for Hillary;I have more faith in Americans than that.Obama can't take credit for "Firing Up" the Democratic Party as we were fired up long before the Primaries - The Mid Terms proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

This fight is about getting a Democrat elected,never let that leave your mind.

[yardwork]

12. That's exactly what bothers me about Obama's campaign.

First I heard of Obama was talk about unity and hope. I liked his speech at the convention back in 2004. Seemed like a good guy - a young Democrat I was glad to support. I even put myself on his email list back then.

Then came the Donnie McClurkin thing, and Obama's campaign's bizarre reaction to that. Bunch of lies, frankly. And then - the tidal wave of nastiness from Obama supporters, just attacking me and anyone who suggested that Obama's campaign had made a mistake in highlighting an advocate for the "ex-gay" movement.

Since then, I've watched it go from bad to worse. Anytime anyone raises a mild criticism of Obama's position they get hit with a ton of foul-mouthed bricks. It's no way to run a campaign. Worse, it makes a mockery of the supposed "politics of hope and change."

Obama's people reach out to Republicans, but they kick their fellow Democrats to the curb over and over again. It bothers me. A lot.

[quinnox]

13. well, speaking for myself, I'm as confident as ever about Hillary

winning super tuesday. I'm being quiet about it though so as not arise too much ire from Obama mania. But good thread anyway.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. ...

:nopity:

[loveangelc]

16. I don't see that many Obama people doing it. I've seen a lot worse on the other side...

[xultar]

47. Ithink it is about equal. But if you are for a candidate you won't see it from the other

sides point of view.

[hfojvt]

as a long time ABCer I can still admit

that there has been a long history of substance-less attacks on Hillary on DU. By "long", I mean since the start of the campaign. Now it has gotten much worse, and I see alot of it coming from people with post counts below 300.

[xultar]

72. Zactly. I can understand Duers not digging Clinton but using RW attacks

as a way of digging @ her clearly smells like Trollsville to me.

[City Lights]

17. Don't lump all of us into the same group.

:hi:

And for the record, I think this race is a dead heat.

[sfam]

18. Who says Obama is in the lead? You?

Where did that come from? The MSM is saying he's surging, and might come close to Hillary. Nobody is saying he's in the lead...

[UALRBSofL]

26. We all know Obama is in the lead. Don't you watch MSM

But I'm not giving up hope on my girl. :)

[sfam]

41. Yes, I do. The MSM is saying Hillary is in the lead

Obama is surging, but this is different from saying Hillary is losing.

[thereismore]

22. I think Obama wants to reach out to people who call themselves republicans,

not necessarily the repigs that were running the country up until now. Does that make sense?

[Barack_America]

25. Exactly. Lots of people call themselves Republican...

...without really knowing what that means.

Anybody who truly understands what Republicans stand for, and agrees with it, would never be considering voting for Obama.

[xultar]

39. Nope, anyone who voted for bush is a republican who fucked up. He'll need them.

I'm fine with that.

Just remember people who wanted to purge all of them just a few months ago. Remember the purge?

[tishaLA]

23. Yeah it's unattractive. That's why it's better

for me to phonebank for Sen Obama than get into the warfare. I don't like tearing down other Democrats.

[HughLefty1]

24. I was looking forward to voting on Super Tuesday here in CA...

In my first election Post *Bush.

Reading DU the past few weeks certainly has put a damper on my enthusiasm.

[Barack_America]

27. Don't let it.

This place doesn't represent the country. I'm sure once you get to the polls tomorrow, your enthusiasm will come back in an instant.

[desi]

29. You are good people xultar

:toast: we hurt good though sweetheart and we have long memories.

[xultar]

37. I just hate seeing people get beat when they are down. That makes me sick.

Call it the Liberal in me.

[Bread and Circus]

30. I'm still fairly convinced somehow Clinton is going to pull this out of the fire...

and win it.

Obama has always been a long shot and the underdog. He still is.

However, I'm sorry if people are rubbing your nose in things because that's not a lot of our intention. I'd prefer people give a fair read of both candidates, and go with their heart.

They shouldn't be choosing on race or gender. They should choose on record, character, and proposals.

I'm harsh on Clinton for things like her earmarks, corporate dalliances, DLC pedigree, and IWR vote.

However, if Obama wins it all, I wouldn't dare to "rub noses" in it.

I know how bad I'm going to feel on a gut level if Obama loses. I kind of loathe how I'm going to feel reading DU if that happens.

I supported Clark big time last cycle and he went down in flames. It really sucked.

[bellasgrams]

66. I was also a Clark supporter and worked to get his name on

the ballot here. I really hope to see Hillary win and have him as Sec of Def, VP, or Sec.of State. He really deserves a post. he has worked hard promoting dem. candidates. He is friends with the Clintons, so I really hope to see him in there with her.

[Adelante]

31. I don't go out of my way to stick it to anybody, but..

I haven't noticed Clinton supporters particularly giving a shit when we've been hurting :shrug:

With a few exceptions.

Besides our candidate is in no way in the lead as far as anybody knows. We'll only know when the votes are in. She's more likely to mostly win tomorrow. Each side can only hope for the best. It's all that close.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

32. I love how you plead for compassion while getting in your dig at Obama.

Good job. :thumbsup:

[xultar]

35. I'm not taking a dig @ Obama. I'm talking about his supporters @ DU.

Can't you see that.

I think it is cool that he is reaching out because that will get votes.

Though I remember a few months ago how many of these people who embrace how he reaches out pretty much wanted to purge the Dem party of any and all people other than pure progressives.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

44. "Obama is about reaching out to a group of people who have hurt this country..."

Looked like a dig to me. :shrug:

[xultar]

60. He needs to reach out to them. Why is that a dig. Hillary would, Edwards would.

YOu'll need to reach out to Rethugs...If you search posts I've made here since I got here...

I've always been against the purge.

What I was saying is that...if Obama can reach out to them, why can't Obama supporters reach out to Hillary Clinton or Edwards supporters.

But you see what you wanna see. No matter what I say you'll see what ever I post as a negative unless I say something overwhelmingly positive.

You need to check yourself, and come out from under the fog.

[Deja Q]

34. It's easier to devolve in our own opinions than to really try to re-build...

[Schema Thing]

38. this is a horserace at this point

but yeah, we should all be nice.

[xultar]

42. Hillary and her campaign people have fuck up on speed dial. I don't see it.

It is almost like, so many people are behind Obama people just better get the fuck in line and line up.

[smoogatz]

40. I've seen plenty of nasty on both sides, xultar.

Some of the anti-Obama threads have been pretty far over the top, you've got to admit. Truth is, there's just not all that much difference between them, so people tend to resort to slinging shit early and often.

[xultar]

46. True. But I give a little of room for the underdog because lashing out is understandable.

Plus you have to remember that people have been bashing hillary out of principle for let's say...years now?

They've probably had enough. Then to see DUers using RW bullshit against them. That is tough.

The pure progressives using RW talking points against another Democrat. That is RICH.

[smoogatz]

84. True enough.

The good news is that outside of activist circles like DU, there's really very little of that sort of candidate-bashing going on among Democrats. I think most Dems are able to view both candidates favorably without having a cerebral hemorrhage. Whatever genuine resentment there might be is certainly being fanned by the press, but surrogates for both candidates are also guilty, guilty, guilty. For me, I think the solution is to stop responding to the obviously mindless threads on both ends, whether of the bashing or rah-rah varieties.

[smoogatz]

85. Dupe.

Sorry.

[AtomicKitten]

48. Bingo.

[ronnykmarshall]

43. You are my #1 ass kicker !!

:loveya:

[NC_Nurse]

49. I know what you are saying. I try to be respectful.

I wish everyone did. I'm never that overconfident anyway. I really
hope Obama wins decisively, but I think it'll be close. Hillary could easily take it.
Who knows? :hi:

I think it's always good to remind people to be kind. Isn't that what Dems are about? Compassion
and lifting up all boats?

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. Thank you, xultar.

:hug:

[stillcool]

51. When one attacks...

another responds. Some of those attacks have managed to open up old wounds. The attacks that follow serve to deepen the wound and increase the hurt. Some of us have tried to provide information to quell the non-stop mis-characterization of a candidate with the actual words spoken and deeds done. The good thing about all this, is I have learned a lot about these candidates. Not by their supporters, but by the truth found when one seeks.

[Whisp]

52. that finger wagging yelling thing you have...

keep it, preacher.

[Zodiak]

53. What are they hurting from?

A few tears? Some shift in the polls?

Did Hillary drop out of the race because the media wouldn't pay attention to her?

Us Edwards supporters are wearing boot marks on our face from the day that John dropped out the the race, so I do not see why Hillary supporters are "hurting"....she is still in and the race is still close.

Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, doesn't it?

[xultar]

63. Lack of compassion. Exhibit A.

[Zodiak]

68. What I am supposed to be compassionate about?

What exactly are you hurting from?

Please define this for me, because as it stands now, a shift in the polls and a couple of tears are not a reason to be "hurting". Concerned, perhaps, but "hurting" is hyperbolic.

And I also say this because it was Hillary supporters who were gloating at JE supporters just last week when he dropped from the race. So coming to me about you being hurting when your candidate is still in the race and still statistically tied sounds like crocodile tears to this JE supporter.

[xultar]

73. They really wanted their candidate to win and she pretty much sucks at getting

the campaign on message, her husband is a screwup...

putting your heart, soul, and wallet behind a candidate can hurt if they really fuck up.

If you can't see that I can't help ya.

[Zodiak]

75. Oh I can see it

I was a Howard Dean supporter

I was a John Edwards supporter.

They are gone...chewed to bits by the media and their own party without so much as an apology.

Where is Hillary? Still in the running and still with a great chance for the nomination.

Could it be that Hillary supporters are so used to being on top and loved by the establishment that the smallest stumble and all of the sudden you are comparing yourselves to JE and HD supporters?

When your candidate loses and the entire party forgets you even exist, then come to me about "hurting". Right now, Hillary supporters are in damage control....not hurting.

I'll get my compassion on when I feel it is warranted....right now it is not.

[xultar]

76. I am not supporting Clinton. I learned my lesson after being a Clark supporter. No primaries

for me.

[Zodiak]

79. Sorry...when I say "you", I mean the rhetorical "you"

I know what you are trying to do in quelling the viciousness, but I am not a rabid Obama supporter.

I just do not understand where the word "hurting" comes from. It was used just last week in a plea to leave Edwards supporters alone while they grieve. They weren't left alone at all, primarily by Hillary supporters...out came the loyalty oaths and the accusations of "fringe".

So using the same word this week to describe what Hillary supporters are feeling after a teeny stumble belittles what JE supporters went through just last week from some of the more odious Hillary supporters.

Perhaps it is a coincidence that the same word is being used. Perhaps, like everything else having to do with JE supporters, our last week's disappointment is just being ignored now.

But this is a couple of tears and poll equalization...not the same thing as being ignored completely and then expected to fall in line the same day we had our faces kicked in.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

55. it goes both ways friend

I can assure you I've seen the same boasting, obnoxious posts from your side. But I think we'll all be much happier with each other on Wednesday, whatever the outcome.

OK, maybe next Wednesday...lol.

[xultar]

61. What fucking goddamed side. I ain't got no side.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

82. not true

you're on the side that is NOT supporting Obama. I'm on the side that IS supporting Obama.

But my post was in general directed at Hillary supporters but I've seen nasty posts from Edwards supporters, Biden supporters and people who are undecided. And at the same time, I've seen nasty posts from my fellow Obama supporters to various other factions. So like I said, it goes both ways.

[oasis]

58. Sadly for all of us, the "Bradley Effect" will rear its ugly head.

:-(

[Skidmore]

62. Agreed, xultar.

We need a little mutual respect around here. Badly. I'm disgusted by a lot I've been reading, and it's not limited to one side. And I remain a steadfast Obama supporter. I don't know where some of these people come from. Lots of new names and low post counts too. I'd hate to think that old timers here would stoop so low.

[tammywammy]

64. There's nastiness on all parties

I don't let the few nasty Obama or Clinton or Edwards supporters sway my opinion of that candidate. The majority of supporters on her are very nice and respectful. It's the handful that are annoying.

[xultar]

77. And why is it that the annoying ones are the fucking loudest?

[tammywammy]

81. They have less of a life

That's what I assume. :)

[Neshanic]

67. Rather hurt now, than have another reuplican era.

[ecstatic]

69. Neither candidate has tomorrow's vote locked up nt

[xultar]

74. True but Clinton's spiral off the map will just be slowed but she has run an AWFUL campaign.

[alteredstate]

78. Obama isn't in the lead

He's doing well, but there's no reason to "rub Hillary's supporters faces" in anything.

Clinton isn't "down".

[BenDavid]

80. I agree with your words except the fact you state we HRC

supporters are down. sure the polling is getting closer as we all knew it would when it became a two person race.

I am upbeat to the fact. that hrc will win the most delegates on tomorrow.

[Indenturedebtor]

83. It does seem to be going both ways

I have been trashing HRC's campaign finance and triangulation. I have also expressed dissaproval over some of the things that Obama has done.

But I see a lot more scandal pushing, and general character attacks coming in from the other side. What's more I have seen ALOT more bashing of Obama supporters over the last week. We're all drinking koolaide, we're all young idiots, etc.

This is a progressive site and I attack HRC on the evidence that she's in bed with Corporations... something I think deserves more attention on this Progressive site.

:shrug:

I'll still vote for her in the GE if it comes to that.