"Ask not what's good for the Nation, ask what's good for Us!" Michelle Obama

[MethuenProgressive]

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/4/124123/6787

Michelle Obama: " I Would Have To Think About Supporting Clinton If She Is The Nominee"

This is what we do NOT need

Imagine if Bill Clinton had said that? Michelle Obama needs to straighten this out immediately. Really bad stuff from the Obama campaign.

[mcscajun]

1. Okay. I've heard enough.

:eyes:

I've been on the fence for a while, and going back and forth all day. This tears it.

I'll vote for Hillary tomorrow.

[MadBadger]

36. Try doing some research yourself instead of blindly believing this specific DUer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4386787

[mathewsleep]

42. i think he was being sarcastic,

at least i hope.

[mcscajun]

49. I haven't "Blindly believed" any DUer. I have done my own research.

For a long time now I have watched, listened, and researched. I originally did not want to have to vote for either Clinton OR Obama. For the record, I've been waiting a long time to vote for a black President, a woman President. In this primary season, I had other choices than these two particular candidates in mind. I hoped it wouldn't come down to these two, but it did. I've been torn for days now over what to do.

Today, I saw the post on Mrs. Obama's statement, and I have already watched the entire video.

As I said, I've been on the fence for a while. I've made my decision, not based on a post, but on gut feeling backed up by all of the above.

I'm done. I will support whoever is our Democratic Nominee in November, but tomorrow, I vote for Hillary Clinton.

[BigDDem]

54. Good choice!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Do you swear that you don't support loyalty oaths?

[blm]

3. You had no problem with all the reports of Clintons sabotaging Gore and Kerry campaigns

in 2000 and 2004. Did they do that for YOU? For our Dem party? For our Dem nominees? For our Dem voters?

TOTAL Hypocrisy. I have to think long and hard before I vote for Hillary Clinton if she's the nominee and I've been an active, committed Democrat for 10 years longer than Michelle.

[MonkeyFunk]

5. because

those reports are unfounded gossip.

This is video of Michelle Obama's own words.

[John Q. Citizen]

16. The quoted title of the OP is in the video? I don't think so. Apparently you have no problem

with blatent mis-representation, MF.

Otherwise you would bring that up.

Michelle is asked if she would actively campaign for Clinton shoud she win the nomination, and she said she would have to think about it.

Will you hold house parties for Obama if he wins and give him money?

[blm]

18. Baloney. There's video of Bill on LKL defending Bush in 2004 from criticisms, and video

of Hillary joining Bush's smear against Kerry in 2006.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg



And Douglas Brinkley is a noted HISTORIAN, not a gossip. And Woodward's book was VETTED by lawyers and there is no denial ever issued by Carville.

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354


http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


If it was JUST gossip as YOU claim - then show me the statement Carville put out that makes the same claim YOU do. Surely his War Room would know that any lie or distortion of him would be answered before 24 hours, right?

Go snow the gullible.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. the Woodward/Carville thing

is just the product of your fevered imagination.

There's no evidence, and nobody in a position to know, claims that Carville betrayed Kennedy.

[blm]

28. Woodward WITNESSED the entire scene himself, Carville doesn't deny it happened.

YOU are the one trying to reduce this to something that never occurred at all, yet the provisional ballot numbers CLEARLY dropped to 150,000 after that phonecall to Blackwell made after Carville's phonecall to Matalin.

Your BS is intended to rope the gullible - I suggest you TRY your act in the Election Reform forum and see how many will buy what you're selling. They'll eat your diversionary tactics for breakfast.

[MonkeyFunk]

31. We've been through this before

let's stipulate that Carville called Matalin.

That doesn't answer all the other questions - why was Carville told? He wasn't part of the campaign. Was Carville told to keep it confidential? IF it was confidential, who in the campaign violated that confidentiality by telling Carville? What's the difference between the Bush team finding out in the middle of the night vs. early the next morning? Is the ONLY explanation for the number of provisional ballots changing that they were stolen? Why has not a single person in the Kerry campaign faulted Carville for this so-called betrayal?

You've pieced together a whole narrative based on a few little facts - you're filling in all the blanks in a way to make it as bad as possible for Carville, but you have zero evidence of the facts you're filling in, and in fact, looking at it objectively shows that you're wrong.

[blm]

33. I believe Kerry HAS been letting them have it behind the scenes and not publicly

because he actually IS a concerned Democrat who puts party and his country before himself - always.

Something the effin Clintons and their fascist thugs NEVER do.

[avaistheone1]

38. Michelle, what happened to "unity "if Obama does not win?

Sounds like she is outta here. So much for unity.

[blm]

41. She said she'd have to think about CAMPAIGNING - you sure dismiss Clintons'

sabotage of voters and candidates in 2000 and 2004 while holding Michelle to the fire for a distortion.

Where is the sense of PROPORTION?

I'd have to think hard about voting for a closed government Democrat like the Clintons. Michelle says she'd have to think hard about CAMPAIGNING for Clinton - big effin deal.

[blm]

39. And if YOU believe Woodward is lying about Carville's actions that night - WRITE HIM

and demand a retraction.

You sure get upset whenever it gets posted here and so VIGILANTLY watch any thread that puts the article up. So - make it easier on yourself and call Woodward and his lawyers and demand a retraction.

Or why don't you sue Woodward for defaming Carville with mere 'gossip' as you want to play it out for the audience here?

[MonkeyFunk]

43. Can't you read?

I'm not disputing what Woodward wrote.

I'm disputing all the fill-in-the-gap facts that you INVENT to make a complete narrative.

[blm]

52. There are no fill-in gaps. You want to pretend the number of ballots didn't drop from 250,000

to 150,000 because of Bush's call to Blackwell after Matalin informed them of the details of Carville's call? Go ahead - that proves you are deliberately being obtuse because you NEED to protect TeamClinton.

What would YOU say - Carville called Matalin and gave details of the provisional ballots Kerry was going to challenge - Matalin says they must tell Bush to call Blackwell and then a call goes out to Blackwell and......in YOUR version, the ballot numbers dropped on their own with NO link whatsoever to WH or Carville's call to the WH about those same ballots.

You have got to be fucking KIDDING.

[MonkeyFunk]

56. The reported number DID drop

but why is the only explanation that 100k ballots were stolen due to Carville's call?

It was election night - preliminary reports often don't match the final numbers. You take the early reports as gospel - and that's not reasonable.

Now...

Why was Carville told? What would have changed between 2:00am and 8:00am? Why has nobody from the Kerry campaign ever once come forward with this?

[blm]

59. Because the call made from the WH after Carville's call was TO BLACKWELL.

Kerry couldn't say a damn thing because at that point there would NEVER be any evidence.

I am quite sure the reason Kerry is working so hard for Obama is BECAUSE he's sick of the CROOKS from the Dem party fuck us all over year after year just to protect the secrecy and privilege od the elite as they seek to shore up their own power.

Fuckin' fascists wearing donkey masks - that's ALL they are.

[MonkeyFunk]

60. Nobody in Kerry's campaign

has ever said that Carville sabotaged them. Not a one.

You don't find that odd?

[blm]

61. How do you know? They KNOW they were backstabbed - Brinkley certainly says so.

And Kerry working his ass off for Obama speaks loudly to me.

The fascist wing of the party that Clintons have been leading for years can go to hell.

[MonkeyFunk]

62. One small statement by ANYONE

could destroy the traitor Carville, if what you say is true.

Yet he's still raking in the bucks.

[blm]

63. Protected by the Fascist wing of the party the Clintons lead. They'll get theirs.

It may take a few gorounds, but they'll get theirs.

And if those fascist backstabbers speak for you, then ta....focking....ta. Apologists can burn with them since they certainly care little for this country.

[MonkeyFunk]

64. ok

here's where we end. When people pull the fascist bullshit, I back away slowly.

The last word is yours - knock yourself out.

[joshcryer]

11. I wouldn't have to think long and hard about Obama.

And I know most of his policies are bullshit fodder for the GOP.

[Thrill]

4. Talk about extreme overreaction

[goldcanyonaz]

6. I'm deeply disgusted by this. She's a bum.

[MethuenProgressive]

14. She desperately wants to be Jackie Kennedy.

Not the *next* Jackie - but *Jackie*.

[John Q. Citizen]

19. I like Jackie better than Evita, but that's just me.

[Clinton Crusader]

67. How so?

[Hippo_Tron]

7. I think I've heard something to the same effect out of Bill Clinton's mouth

[BootinUp]

15. Beg to differ.

Her comments in this interview go into the character attack zone.

[John Q. Citizen]

8. If you believe misrepresenting your political opponent will help your cause,

well, who i'm I to talk sense to you.

Michelle said she would vote for whoever gets the Dem nomination, but asked if she would actively campaign for Hill, she said she would have to think about it.

Would you actively campaign for Obama if he gets the nomination, MethusianP?

Go door to door for Obama? Put your face on campaign literature sent out in a mailing?

Fly around the country and make speeches?

Host house meetings for Obama?

Will Bill and Hill go on the stump for Obama if he wins? I haven't seen them commit to that, have you?

[John Q. Citizen]

9. Duplicate post self delete

[Neshanic]

10. Some dreams are more equal than others.

[Didereaux]

12. I'm certain that was not the brightest thing she ever said!

[MethuenProgressive]

29. What if... it *was*??

:wow:

[Didereaux]

46. heheh

[Politicub]

13. With the treatment that Hillary is getting on DU, it makes sense Michelle would say this

If Obama is the nominee, I'll be voting dem as a vote against the GOP, not an enthusiastic embrace of the Obama candidacy. But that's all Obama wants from me anyway - just my vote - and then to shut up and get out of they way of the Hope express, lest it run me over.

[jenmito]

17. "Could you see yourself WORKING to support Hillary Clinton if she's the nominee?"

Stop spreading lies!!!

[boston bean]

21. The answer to that is not what she said. sorry.

[jenmito]

34. Huh???

[Cameron27]

23. And why was that question so hard to answer

as yes? Every Democrat works to get the Democratic nominee elected. Period.

[jenmito]

35. TalkLeft lied. The video and transcript proves it.

[Cameron27]

40. I watched the video,

and MO said she'd have to think about working to support Clinton if she was the nominee. That is not an queston that any Democrat should answer any way but yes; that's not an answer that seeks to unite the party against the republicans.

[jenmito]

45. AGAIN-TalkLeft LIED. They misquoted her changing the whole meaning of what she DID say.

They said she said she would not support Hillary. That is NOT what she said!

[Cameron27]

48. AGAIN,

I listened to what she said myself, and she should have said she would work to support the Democratic nominee not matter what. She didn't, she quibbled, she hesitated, and she never answered yes.

[jenmito]

50. She did not say what TalkLeft SAID she said. They lied. Period.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

20. this is so sad that she said this.

[shayes51]

22. yes it is

[Nailzberg]

24. To be fair, here is the whole video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7yaD9OXZ_o

She was asked if she would "work to support" which is different than would she support. That means actively campaigning, flying around the country holding rallies, giving speeches. She doesn't know if she would do that.

You conveniently omitted that.

[returnable]

25. Gee, it's almost like she said voting for Hillary would be a "roll of the dice."

Who could ever say such a thing about a fellow Democrat? :eyes:

[cindyw]

27. Grammer lesson 101 - use of " " means that someone said these exact words

not re-phasing

[Benhurst]

30. Spelling lesson 21-- it's grammar, not "grammer."

:rofl:

:hi:

[cindyw]

65. In your stupid little moment of self congratulation that you can spell,

I'll just say that I can use a spell checker when I care, but there is no auto checker for using grammar to lie and mislead. There is no drop down menu that makes sure the shit you put inside " " was actually said by someone. So take your smug self and realize I was calling someone a liar, not making fun of their stupidity from 10th grade English.

[Benhurst]

69. Another moment of Hope and Togetherness brought to us by an

Obama groupie.

[MethuenProgressive]

37. "not re-phasing"? What phase is not Michelle re-entering?

Is punctuation grammar? O! "Eats, shoots, and leaves!"

[csorman]

32. Wow, you guys are really, really stretching.

You constantly complain about how you're being smeared on DU, and then you go pull something like this. Her comment may not have been what she SHOULD have said, but you DID take it out of context, admit it.

[countingbluecars]

44. Shame on you. n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

47. I agree. Shame on you, Michelle.

[ginantonic40]

51. What crap

You want to sway voters because the day before 20+ primaries because one of the candidates spouses answers a gotcha question by not enthuasiastically endorsing the other candidate! Have you people ever followed politics before this election? From what I've read today doesn't sound like it. It sounds more like a bunch of teenagers arguing about the studend body elections. This is a serious election and I'm seeing alot of unserious people here.

[jillan]

53. Did you see her help Stevie Wonder up the steps yesterday?

He FELL. I am a caregiver for someone who is legally blind.
There are times in life when you have to put someone elses safety above your own needs.

geesh:crazy:

[BigDDem]

55. The more I hear from her, the less I like her.

[tokenlib]

57. This is very unfair to Michelle...

She has taken leave of her career, she tries to get home every few days so the lives of their daughters can be somewhat normal..and she is doing everything she can to support her husband. She is not a politician.

So damn right she has to think about what she'll do before she makes a committment to go off campaigning again if Barack doesn't get the nomination. She has a right to have time to think about things...

So don't be so damn cynical!!! Leave the lady alone!!!

[BigDDem]

58. Ahhhhhh poor, poor widdle Michell, poor baby

pull out another Victim card for Team BO.

I don't like "her tone." :nopity:

[WCGreen]

66. It's politics baby....

If you say it...

You own it...

[mondo joe]

68. If Ms. Obama can't handle this, she can't handle the GE.