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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:33 PM
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Krugman Wrong on Obama and Mandates

Krugman Wrong on Obama and Mandates

It’s not often that I take issue with Paul Krugman’s economics (at least not recently), but he does misrepresent the issues in going after Obama on health insurance mandates.

The simple story is that any effort to establish national health insurance will require some anti-free loader mechanism to prevent gaming. The logic is straightforward. Everyone agrees that we want to get rid of the current practice under which insurers are allowed to charge fees based on people’s health. Under this system, people with serious illnesses either must pay exorbitant fees or are unable to get insurance altogether. (Insurance companies lose money if they insure people with high bills.)

Under a reformed system, we will require a standard fee under which everyone pays the same rate regardless of their health history. However, this creates a situation in which it doesn’t make sense for healthy people to pay for insurance. Why not just deal with minor health related costs out of pocket? You can wait until you get sick and then buy into the system and pay the standard rate.

That works for healthy people, but it would destroy the system because the only people buying insurance would be those with relatively high bills. This means that insurance would be very expensive, which of course encourages more people to play the “wait till I’m sick strategy.” The end result is that the system collapses, because only the very sick would ever find it worthwhile to buy insurance.

One way around this problem is to mandate that everyone buy insurance. Senator Clinton has proposed a mandate as an explicit part of her plan. Senator Obama has attacked Clinton for this mandate (sometimes unfairly). By contrast, he has suggested that we can get near universal enrollment through other mechanisms. Specifically, he has suggested that we can have a system of default enrollment, whereby people are signed up for a plan at their workplace.

People would then have the option to say that they do not want insurance, so they are not being forced to buy it. However, they will then face a late enrollment penalty if they try to play the “healthy person” game. When they do opt to join the system, at some future point, they will have to pay 50 percent more for their insurance, or some comparable penalty for trying to game the system.

A system of default enrollment will ensure that people do not remain uninsured due to inertia. A system of late enrollment penalties will ensure that people don’t try to game the system.

Is the Obama mix as good at reaching universal or near universal insurance as the Clinton mandate? The reality is we don’t know. It will depend on many factors, most importantly the sanctions that are imposed under both systems (i.e. the penalty for not getting insurance with the mandate, and the late enrollment penalty in the Obama system). Krugman is wrong to say that a mandate is necessary. We can get to the same place with Obama’s approach; it really depends on the details.


When Krugman was against mandates


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:35 PM
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1. Basically he says "we don't know what Obama's plan is, but the penalties might look like a mandate."
So in other words, this is just more ProSense garbage. AntiSense maybe?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:37 PM
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2. "So in other words, this is just more ProSense garbage. AntiSense maybe?" Clue for idiots:
I'm not Dean Baker

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:38 PM
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3. Clue for you, Dean Baker doesn't establish Krugman being "wrong."
He just says Krugman is wrong and says he doesn't know if Obama is right.

Which is just such a ridiculous spin I don't even know how to explain it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:41 PM
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4. Oh, you've discovered that I'm not Baker. Good. Does Krugman establish Krugman as wrong:
Op-Ed Columnist
Golden State Gamble
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: January 12, 2007

A few days ago. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger unveiled an ambitious plan to bring universal health insurance to California. And I’m of two minds about it.

On one side, it’s very encouraging to see another Republican governor endorse the principle that all Americans are entitled to essential health care. Not long ago we were wondering whether the Bush administration would succeed in dismantling Social Security. Now we’re discussing proposals for universal health care. What a difference two years makes!

And if California — America’s biggest state, with a higher-than-average percentage of uninsured residents — can achieve universal coverage, so can the nation as a whole.

On the other side, Mr. Schwarzenegger’s plan has serious flaws. Maybe those flaws could be fixed once the principle of universal coverage was established — but there’s also the chance that we would end up stuck with those flaws, the way we ended up stuck with a dysfunctional system of insurance tied to employment.

Furthermore, in the end health care should be a federal responsibility. State-level plans should be seen as pilot projects, not substitutes for a national system. Otherwise, some states just won’t do the right thing. Remember, almost 25 percent of Texans are uninsured.

To understand both what’s right and what’s wrong with Mr. Schwarzenegger’s plan, let’s compare what he’s proposing with the plan he rejected. Last summer, the California Legislature passed a bill that would have created a single-payer health insurance system for the state — that is, a system similar to Medicare, under which residents would have paid fees into a state fund, which would then have provided insurance to everyone.

But the governor vetoed that bill, which would have bypassed private insurance companies. He appears to sincerely want universal coverage, but he also wants to keep insurance companies in the loop. As a result, he came up with a plan that, like the failed Clinton health care plan of the early 1990s, is best described as a Rube Goldberg device — a complicated, indirect way of achieving what a single-payer system would accomplish simply and directly.

There are three main reasons why many Americans lack health insurance. Some healthy people decide to save money and take their chances (and end up being treated in emergency rooms, at the public’s expense, if their luck runs out); some people are too poor to afford coverage; some people can’t get coverage, at least without paying exorbitant rates, because of pre-existing conditions.

Single-payer insurance solves all three problems at a stroke. The Schwarzenegger plan, by contrast, is a series of patches. It forces everyone to buy health insurance, whether they think they need it or not; it provides financial aid to low-income families, to help them bear the cost; and it imposes “community rating” on insurance companies, basically requiring them to sell insurance to everyone at the same price.

As a result, the plan requires a much more intrusive government role than a single-payer system. Instead of reducing paperwork, the plan adds three new bureaucracies: one to police individuals to make sure they buy insurance, one to determine if they’re poor enough to receive aid, and one to police insurers to make sure they don’t discriminate against the unwell.



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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:44 PM
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5. Does Krugman have issues with a poltically viable plan?
No? OK.

Neither does Obama.

Neither does Hillary.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:57 PM
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6. Krugman has issues with Obama, obviously! n/t
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 03:11 PM
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9. You're taking it out of context, another GOP talking point
Krugman didn't say the idea of madates are bad for health care reform. He was stating that using them in the context the Gropenfuhrer proposed was a bad idea.

Mandates + government subsidies + no cost controls for rising premium costs = corporate welfare and quick failure.

Its a solution proposed by many GOP governors and legislators at the state level that amounts to a system guaranteed to make private health insurance companies even richer overnight while eventually killing off attempts for real health care reform. In this scenario, mandates w/o cost control or competition are a "poison pill".

The worst part of these disingenuous arguments is that they will be used to kill off any real health care reform.



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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 03:04 PM
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7. False premises
He's basing his argument on the false premise that private insurance premiums will rise unchecked.

He's ignoring the proposals out there to:

cap insurance premiums to a fixed percentage of income,

make private insurance compete w/ government insurance will drive down the cost of insurance.

Its a totally dishonest argument.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 03:05 PM
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8. Well, here
Op-Ed Columnist
Golden State Gamble
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: January 12, 2007

A few days ago. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger unveiled an ambitious plan to bring universal health insurance to California. And I’m of two minds about it.

On one side, it’s very encouraging to see another Republican governor endorse the principle that all Americans are entitled to essential health care. Not long ago we were wondering whether the Bush administration would succeed in dismantling Social Security. Now we’re discussing proposals for universal health care. What a difference two years makes!

And if California — America’s biggest state, with a higher-than-average percentage of uninsured residents — can achieve universal coverage, so can the nation as a whole.

On the other side, Mr. Schwarzenegger’s plan has serious flaws. Maybe those flaws could be fixed once the principle of universal coverage was established — but there’s also the chance that we would end up stuck with those flaws, the way we ended up stuck with a dysfunctional system of insurance tied to employment.

Furthermore, in the end health care should be a federal responsibility. State-level plans should be seen as pilot projects, not substitutes for a national system. Otherwise, some states just won’t do the right thing. Remember, almost 25 percent of Texans are uninsured.

To understand both what’s right and what’s wrong with Mr. Schwarzenegger’s plan, let’s compare what he’s proposing with the plan he rejected. Last summer, the California Legislature passed a bill that would have created a single-payer health insurance system for the state — that is, a system similar to Medicare, under which residents would have paid fees into a state fund, which would then have provided insurance to everyone.

But the governor vetoed that bill, which would have bypassed private insurance companies. He appears to sincerely want universal coverage, but he also wants to keep insurance companies in the loop. As a result, he came up with a plan that, like the failed Clinton health care plan of the early 1990s, is best described as a Rube Goldberg device — a complicated, indirect way of achieving what a single-payer system would accomplish simply and directly.

There are three main reasons why many Americans lack health insurance. Some healthy people decide to save money and take their chances (and end up being treated in emergency rooms, at the public’s expense, if their luck runs out); some people are too poor to afford coverage; some people can’t get coverage, at least without paying exorbitant rates, because of pre-existing conditions.

Single-payer insurance solves all three problems at a stroke. The Schwarzenegger plan, by contrast, is a series of patches. It forces everyone to buy health insurance, whether they think they need it or not; it provides financial aid to low-income families, to help them bear the cost; and it imposes “community rating” on insurance companies, basically requiring them to sell insurance to everyone at the same price.

As a result, the plan requires a much more intrusive government role than a single-payer system. Instead of reducing paperwork, the plan adds three new bureaucracies: one to police individuals to make sure they buy insurance, one to determine if they’re poor enough to receive aid, and one to police insurers to make sure they don’t discriminate against the unwell.


Krugman, mandates bad!



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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 03:14 PM
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10. I just responed upthread,
The GOP formula of mandates coupled with no competiton and no caps on increases in insurance premiums is a "poison pill" guaranteed to make the cost of such a program skyrocket. Great for insurance companies, not so great for consumers and taxpayers.

Continuing to use GOP talking points will destroy any effort for real and meaningful health care reform.

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