Sir Jeffrey
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Mon Feb-04-08 03:26 PM
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Why I don't want the "Dream Ticket"... |
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Clinton and Obama are both formidable candidates and excellent politicians, but I don't think they would compliment each other very well.
Obama as a VP would basically put him in a position to waste his talents for 4 or 8 years, and might sully his political future. Obama would have to toe the line to CLinton-ism, which is not his biggest strength. He would either end up having to aggressively defend triangulation and anything goes-style politics, or he would have to fight Clinton-ism from the inside and create more discord. IN either case, I think his political future is bright as he currently is, not as he would be as Clinton's scorched Earth hitman. He doesn't need the Clinton brand to succeed.
Ditto with Clinton. CLinton's biggest strength is her ability to dig in her heels, grit her teeth and fight on the Republican playing field. Obama would have a different approach as president, and Clinton's biggest strength would be completely wasted as VP. She would be expected to hold her fire while Obama tries to achieve consensus. She doesn't need the Obama brand to succeed (obviously, since she made it this far).
I think that the losing candidate would be better served to decline the VP spot (or any other spot in the administration for that matter) so they can stay in the Senate and directly represent their constituencies. I would expect the winner to offer the VP slot to the runner up, but I suspect that both campaigns have a similar view to mine. The VP offer will probably be for public consumption, but the campaigns probably scratched each other off the short list around the time Bill Clinton started talking shit in South Carolina. That, in my opinion, is the risk you run when you play scorched Earth political games in your own party. The dream ticket is a big winner this fall, but I don't see it happening.
Just my opinion, obviously, but I'd be open to consider arguments in favor of the dream ticket. Am I missing something?
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scheming daemons
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Mon Feb-04-08 03:30 PM
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...the "Dream Ticket" is nonsense created by the MSM.
Neither candidate is going to pick the other.....
A) There's no way in hell that Barack Obama wants Bill Clinton anywhere near his administration.
B) Hillary wouldn't accept the VP spot.
C) There's no way in hell that Obama would want a "token" spot as VP, when he knows damn well that Bill will have the "duties" of VP and Barack will spend his time attending funerals and fundraisers.
The loser will go back to doing a great some in the Democratic Senate majority... hopefully one with 60 or more Dems.
The "Dream Ticket" is not going to happen, people... give it up.
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Mon Feb-04-08 03:30 PM
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I particularly disagree with your view of Obama's role in a Clinton administration. For reference, look at Gore in Bill's administration -- he could hardly be called the biggest pro-Clinton partisan fighter of the era. Indeed, he remained somewhat at arm's length through the impeachment process, and then ran away from the Clintons during his own presidential run.
I don't think Obama would necessarily have to get involved in the Clintons' D.C. fights should Hillary win the nomination and Obama be tapped for the VP slot. On the contrary, I can see a real possibility than he be given a few certain agenda items to run up, leaving the partisan rancor for people better-suited to it. And in the end, the right years in the VP slot gives him the experience he would need to silence the critics who go on about him not being "seasoned" enough.
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Mon Feb-04-08 03:31 PM
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3. Agreed--it will never happen, and SHOULD never happen. |
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Mon Feb-04-08 03:32 PM
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4. Hillary on any ticket is a win for the |
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Mon Feb-04-08 03:32 PM
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5. it's not a dream ticket |
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Obama should not go on the ticket if Hillary wins, and he'd be foolish to pick her to run with him.
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Mon Feb-04-08 04:50 PM
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8. Right. More like a nightmare ticket. |
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Mon Feb-04-08 03:40 PM
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6. I like the dream ticket. |
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The reason is because its advantageous to have a good cop/bad cop situation right now.
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Mon Feb-04-08 04:49 PM
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For one thing, Hillary's VP would have to put up with both she and Bill and probably not have much say.
Also, I just can't imagine Hillary accepting the position of being Obama's VP.
Peace:thumbsup:
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Mon Feb-04-08 05:17 PM
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9. Yes, you are missing something. n/t |
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