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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:14 PM
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I smell a set-up
The media today have been making a big deal about Obama's surge, how close things are... making it appear as if Obama has a good chance to win big tomorrow. But MSNBC was showing the poll numbers for the actual Super Tuesday states, and Clinton had a pretty comfortable lead.

They love a horse race, and they love an upset - it gives them something to yak about between episodes of Lockup and To Catch a Predator.

I'm starting to get the feeling that Clinton will win pretty comfortably tomorrow, and then they'll get to play it as a stunning turnaround.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:16 PM
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1. Smell it?
It's been like having a 3-week-long bout of constipation.

And tomorrow night we get a national enema.

--p!
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IndieLeft Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:20 PM
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9. eeeeeewwwwww! Gross!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:22 PM
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17. does the US finally get to pass the Clintons and the Bushes? Eureka!
They've been stuck in the bowels of the Nation for too long now.

"Colon Blow and yooouuuuu, in the Morning!"
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:28 PM
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22. Just the Bushes
The Clintons are beneficial germs.

Like yogurt, only they increase your income and your respect around the world.

However, they have been known to cause hallucinations in freepers and certain hipsters. They should take Hate-X before indulging.

--p!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:42 PM
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33. so impeachment is beneficial? That likely cost Gore the election in 2000.
The Clinton Presidency could have led to a Democratic Majority, but instead because of Bill's indiscretions it only served as a bridge between 2 Bushes.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:53 PM
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35. Election Fraud and SCOTUS cost Gore the election.
Are you visiting from another planet?
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classykaren Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:54 PM
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36. LOL n/t
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:17 PM
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2. I've seen polls too, and Im seeing a different thing
In one poll he pulled ahead in MA, in many polls hes tied in NJ, It is very close in CT, he pulled ahead in a poll in MO, H is ahead in GA. CA is a toss up and will probably be split by delegates. Not to mention, polls show his lead in IL is much bigger than her lead in NY.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:19 PM
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3. That sounds nice, but the media rarely ever spins in favor of Hillary. I'm seriously in a funk
today and I feel like the writing is on the wall. I guess I'm just trying to prepare myself for what looks to be more and more inevitable (an Obama nomination). I hope I am wrong but I'd rather lower my expectations now than be disappointed tomorrow night. :-(
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:32 PM
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23. Not fair
that's my strategy too... So, I'll see your "lowering of expectations" and raise you one "dismal outlook". :P

In all honesty, I'm expecting both that more than a few states and a reasonably close delegate count will be in Hillary's favor.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:19 PM
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4. Be wary of MSNBC's poll #s
Their numbers are way off from most every other poll done recently.

I know you may want to believe them, but the odds are that their Mason/Dixon numbers are not correct.
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IndieLeft Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:21 PM
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15. Be wary of ALL the polls
As fun as it is to look at the numbers, especially when it looks like it's going your way... you never know, they never know.

Dont' forget, they don't talk to the people who don't answer their phones. My phone has been ringing off the hook for the last week. And I haven't answered ONE call I didn't recognize.

damn 000-000-0000 callers!
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:19 PM
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5. I can only pray that you are wrong
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:19 PM
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6. They're setting it up like it's a replay of the Super Bowl. None of this
is truly important to them, except for their ratings.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:21 PM
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11. That's my point
I just have a feeling they're spinning this to their maximum advantage.
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:19 PM
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7. If Hillary does better than expected
there will be cries of voter fraud...count every ballot by hand...it can't be. If Obama does well, then we will hear "waaaaaah."
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:20 PM
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8. Reminds me of New Hampshire...
Obama only loss by 2.5 points which was excellent compared to where he was a week earlier (-15). What should have been a decent second place showing for him was huge disappointment instead. That is EXACTLY what is going on right now. Clinton will do very well tomorrow and the media will be playing the (Obama fire burns out by Clinton storm) story to death.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:21 PM
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10. If there's a 'setup' it works against Obama
He's the one being setup for a disappointing result tomorrow, insofar is Clinton is the actual frontrunner, despite all this mo-talk lately. Is that what you meant?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:22 PM
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16. They can't come right out and say
Obama's leading, because he's not. But they're sure making it seem like it's a strong possibility.

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:21 PM
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12. The media has created the whole race
They squeezed out all but the two candidates that they knew they could create issues on.
The media knows how biased the typical American is and how easy it is to set everyone off including the candidates and their supporters.

Race and Gender are bing used by the media against the candidates and ultimately against us the voter, the citizen the constitution and our rights.
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qwlauren35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:40 PM
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32. 99% on targe.
I have been extremely unhappy with how quickly the playing field was reduced to two candidates. Okay, sickened. All of a sudden, it doesn't feel as though the "Democratic process" is working.

But I think there's another, equally ugly factor in addition to culling down to the most controversial, "media-frenzy" candidates. Its called money, more specifically, campaign financing. The incredible amounts of money that Clinton and Obama raised signalled an early death knell to the other candidates last year. We were lucky to even see their names in the papers in New Hampshire!

The very act of excluding candidates from a debate seems to point out a major flaw in our democratic process... and one caused by the media. But the money is also a factor.

I shake my head over this race. Truly.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:44 PM
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34. One word: Corporations
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:21 PM
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13. The number that I DO like is one I just saw - 80% of Dems like their candidates,
but only 60% of Republics like their candidates. If this translates into turnout - and apathy has the impact that it appears to potentially have, it should be good news for us.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:23 PM
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19. That IS a good stat!
Thanks!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:47 PM
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40. Weigh in the comparative turnouts in prior races - and indeed - this is the most
important conclusion
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:21 PM
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14. Agreed. When you look closely at the polls she has a
significant lead- and there's a lot of fluidity with undecideds that I see breaking for her.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:24 PM
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20. yeah
Maybe I'm wrong - maybe they're just pushing the horse-race today and today only. But if they ARE thinking ahead, this makes the story more interesting.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:40 PM
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31. I agree. "They" have made the campaigns into super news events.
& just in case we do have a winner tomorrow, today they started on the Repukes race.

McCain is too far to the left....all the right wing radio & tv personalities hate him and are against him. It goes on & on & on.

They are making sure they have super news events for months to come.
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:22 PM
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18. But remember- it's the EXIT POLLS that really matter-
if these are remarkably different then the actual results (as we saw in NH), we need to be ready to demand an immediate investigation. These polls we are all riveted now are more like educated speculations-- some more accurate then others and they are bound to fluctuate as we are all seeing for various reasons. Exit Polls however are traditionally very accurate- they are taken AFTER the voters have placed their votes. That's why we went to the Ukraine- remember? Because the exit polls did not match the results so we knew there had been election "tampering"- aka fraud.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:26 PM
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21. Remember when.....I like that song - The Platters.....
Poll Date Sample Obama Clinton Edwards Richardson Spread

Final Results - - 36.4 39.0 16.9 4.6 Clinton +2.6

RCP Average 01/05 - 01/07 - 38.3 30.0 18.3 5.7 Obama +8.3


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_primary-194.html
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:34 PM
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24. The Hillarists are a laugh riot! When the media doesn't favor their candidate...
they are all about how conspired they are to butt her out of the race.

When polls show her ahead, they trip over their pantsuits trying to sing the MSM's praises.

Unreal!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:36 PM
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27. Only you could completely botch the point of the OP
All he was saying was that the media might want to make it appear to be close, no matter who is ahead or behind.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:51 PM
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41. His needle is permanently stuck in the groove. n/t
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:39 PM
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29. Learn to read, idiot
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:34 PM
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25. Zogby has Obama way up.
But then Zogby is the best pollster in the U.S.
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The Delegates Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:35 PM
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26. Hey look! Another piece of...
Anyway, the delegates will be split right down the middle.

It's the delegates, stupid.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:38 PM
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28. Hey look! Another low post count with undeclared in its profile & here to bash Hillary
Nice try
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Freida5 Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:39 PM
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30. I pray you are right for good of the nation.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:56 PM
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37. The nation will be in far better hands
than it is now no matter who wins big tomorrow.
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Summerza Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:10 PM
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38. I don't think there's a setup
Cook Political, CNN, Gallup, Etc. cannot be combined with the media to participate in a mega-conspiracy against Clinton.
There is just no explanation as to why these entities would ALL want to knock out Hillary.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:43 PM
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39. I get the same feeling, altho I'm not smelling anything.
It's just that being TVless, I live outside the hype.

I suspect Clinton will take everything big except Illinois tomorrow. Not my choice, but nothing to cry about.
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