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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:54 PM
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Hillary still has trouble explaining her position on Iraq
Hillary, Jan. 2007:

The senator described her philosophy about military power as one rooted in pragmatism. Regardless of the pressure from some liberals and antiwar Democrats, Mrs. Clinton said she was skeptical about embracing hard timetables and cutting off financing in Iraq, for instance, because they were not practically feasible.

“I am not for imposing a date — certain withdrawal date,” she said. “But don’t be mistaken, I am for ending this war as soon as possible.”

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Hillary, Mar. 2007:

A vote on the Democratic-sponsored Iraq resolution expected to hit the Senate floor next week will mark the first time Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) has embraced a legislative deadline for withdrawing from the war-torn nation, a step she has consistently resisted to this point.

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But the stakes are higher for some senators than for others. Clinton, the front-runner for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, has carefully laid out her Iraq views in a series of formal plans and speeches and has repeatedly rejected setting a deadline for withdrawal. Yet when and if she casts her vote, those pronouncements will be somewhat eclipsed by the Senate's binding action. That fact touched off an unusual scramble in which even Senate leadership aides are attempting to characterize Clinton's position as consistent with her previous views.

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Hillary Dec. 2007:

Following up on what Ambassador Richard Holbrooke told us earlier this week regarding Hillary Clinton's vote to authorize the use of military force against Iraq, we asked Sen. Clinton today if it was correct that Colin Powell had persuaded her that the resolution could be a vote to avoid war rather than a vote for war.

She replied: "No, it wasn't Colin Powell. it was Condi Rice. Condi Rice told me specifically when I was still weighing all of the evidence, and I had been to the White House one last time – I think, if I'm not mistaken, it was Oct. 8 -- and I'd had the whole presentation by the CIA and others and I hadn't asked any questions, I had listened. And I went back to my office, and Condi Rice called me and said, You didn't ask any questions, do you have any questions? I said I only have one: Will you use this authorization to put inspectors back in, so that we can find out whether any of this is true, how much WMD he still has or has reconstituted? She said, Yes, that's what it's intended to do. I think Dick might have gotten confused."

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Hillary Jan. 2008:

CLINTON: And I am so -- I am so proud to have the support of leaders like Congresswoman Maxine Waters, who is here with us tonight, who was one of the -- who was one of the original conveners of the Out of Iraq Caucus. Because it is imperative that as we move forward, with what will be a very difficult process -- there are no good options here.

We have to untangle ourselves and navigate through some very treacherous terrain. And as we do so, it is absolutely clear to me that we have to send several messages at once.

Yes, we are withdrawing, and I personally believe that is the best message to send to the Iraqis. That they need to know that they have to get serious, because so far they have been under the illusion that the Bush administration and the Republicans who have more of the same will be there indefinitely.

And I also think it's important to send that message to the region, because I think that Iran, Syria, the other countries in the neighborhood, are going to find themselves in a very difficult position as we withdraw. You know, be careful what you wish for.

They will be dragged into what is sectarian divisiveness with many different factions among the three main groups.
Therefore, we need to start diplomatic efforts immediately, getting the Iranians, the Syrians, and others to the table. It's in their interest, it's in our interest, and it certainly is in the Iraqis' interest. few debates ago -- we've had so many of them -- to join with me on legislation which he has agreed to do that's very important to prevent President Bush from committing our country to an ongoing presence in Iraq. That is something he is trying to push.

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CLINTON: Well, Wolf, I think that if you look at what was going on at the time -- and certainly, I did an enormous amount of investigation and due diligence to try to determine what if any threat could flow from the history of Saddam Hussein being both an owner of and a seeker of weapons of mass destruction.

The idea of putting inspectors back in -- that was a credible idea. I believe in coercive diplomacy. I think that you try to figure out how to move bad actors in a direction that you prefer in order to avoid more dire consequences.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:57 PM
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1. When she stops lying about it and admits what was really
behind it whether politics or bad advice from Bill, then she can put it to rest.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:59 PM
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3. Do You Know Obama WASN'T EVEN A SENATOR when She Voted?
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 08:02 PM by neutron
And he said that he wouldn't know what he would have done if he had been.
SO WHAT THE F*K ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:06 PM
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7. Point?
So he didnt enable Bushhole's war like your candidate did.

Man, you're a lousy logician!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:07 PM
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8. Are you saying he's lying too?
Neither candidates are my favorite so you won't be insulting me if that's your intent. However, she is lying and when she tells the truth it will end the questions people have about her in this regard.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:36 PM
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22. He was campaigning anti-war at the time. nt
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:58 PM
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2. How many thousands of times are you gonna paste these same posts? What a drag
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:02 PM
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4. they knew Saddam didn't have any WMD
she knew they were fabricating it!

Truth surfaces
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:03 PM
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5. Go back to Freepville. Huckabee needs you.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:34 PM
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20. ????
que?
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:05 PM
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6. That's because her vote is INDEFENSIBLE.
And her cultists know that too.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:08 PM
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9. Kerry, OTOH, has no trouble explaining his position. "I was for the war before I was against it."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:11 PM
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10. Kerry, unlike Hillary, spoke out against Bush several times before Bush invaded
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:16 PM
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13. He did, and thanks for the links.
Not that the Hillary cultists will read them, but you are to be commended for your efforts
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:19 PM
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14. Why don't you call her tonight and ask her. It starts at 9:00
on the Hallmark channel or you can catch it on Hillaryclinton.com. Go to her web site and check it out.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:21 PM
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15. Yeah & then when he ran against Bush he tried to prove he was better at war games than Bush was!
"Vote for me, John Kerry, and I will prove to you that I am a better killer of terrorists than Bush is."

His entire campaign was a war theme or did you forget?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:25 PM
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17. Kerry, in August of 04, also said he would still vote yes to give Bush that authority
In Hindsight, Kerry Says He'd Still Vote for War
Challenged by President, Democrat Spells Out Stance

By Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 10, 2004; Page A01

GRAND CANYON NATIONAL PARK, Ariz., Aug. 9 -- Responding to President Bush's challenge to clarify his position, Sen. John F. Kerry said Monday that he still would have voted to authorize the war in Iraq even if he had known then that U.S. and allied forces would not find weapons of mass destruction.

At the same time, the Democratic presidential nominee said that his goal as president would be to reduce the number of U.S. troops in Iraq during his first six months in office through diplomacy and foreign assistance...

... Since last month's Democratic National Convention, the senator from Massachusetts has been under mounting pressure to provide a clearer explanation of his views on the war, including why he voted for the congressional resolution authorizing the invasion yet opposed funding for it. On Friday, Bush challenged Kerry to answer whether he would support the war "knowing what we know now" about the failure to find weapons of mass destruction that U.S. and British officials were certain were there.

In response, Kerry said: "Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it was the right authority for a president to have."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52839-2004Aug9.html

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:35 PM
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21. At your link: "Why...rush to war on faulty intelligence...not...give America the truth?" n/t
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:48 PM
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23. "Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it was the right authority for a president..."
...to have".

Kerry stood by his IWR vote almost two year laters because he still believed that the IWR gave George W. Bush the authority that he needed to have. Sure Jokn Kerry faulted George W. Bush with how he misused his authority as President, but Kerry could not have been clearer about saying that his IWR vote was the right vote to make at the time, because it gave Bush the proper authority. And Kerry stood by approving the IWR, even in hindsight, even knowing in 2004 that no WMD's were found inside Iraq. Here again is the question to which Kerry answered "Yes":

"Bush challenged Kerry to answer whether he would support the war "knowing what we know now" about the failure to find weapons of mass destruction that U.S. and British officials were certain were there."
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:13 PM
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11. I did my due diligence - except I neglected to read the NIE.
What kind of wonk is she? Didn't do her reading, blames her staff. "I was briefed."
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:14 PM
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12. The fact that she was meeting with Condi Rice..
and Dick Cheney at the same time she was refusing to meet with anyone opposed to the war says a lot about her.
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:24 PM
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16. oh good hell.....
How disgusting. What do the Hillars need to be shown to convince them what a foreign policy disaster she would be?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:27 PM
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18. Thanks, I agree with everything she said. nt
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:31 PM
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19. Hillary lacks the courage of her convictions. She is all about focus groups. I can't support her
for this reason.

We dont need a president who is afraid of taking a stand for what is right! We can't have a president who refuses to admit he/she made a mistake. We cannot have a president who compounds mistakes for perceived political gain at the expense of our military and their families and who fails to look at the potential for increased world instability by casting her purely political vote on Kyl/Lieberman.

No, I want a president with principals.

It is not Hillary, unfortunately.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 05:53 PM
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24. She wants to debate on Fox Noise! n/t
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