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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:06 PM
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GenerationQ: Hillary Clinton "best choice for the LGBT community"
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 08:14 PM by bidenista


Hillary Clinton as president, the best choice for the LGBT community

More than 20 states will go to the polls on Tuesday to help decide the nominees for President. This is probably the most important election of our generation, so far; and knowing the issues is the most important factor. As gay Americans this election could be more important for us. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have both expressed their concerns for pushing gay rights, but one candidate's experience gives them the power to make our hopes and reality.

Hillary Rodham Clinton is our choice for President. Hillary's experience and track record give her the credibility needed to push an agenda for gay rights in our country. A long time friend of the LGBT community, Clinton's record speaks for itself.

Hillary opposed the Federal Marriage Amendment (FMA) and helped to defeat it twice on the floor of the United States Senate. The LGBT community and activists turned to Hillary Rodham Clinton in both 2004 and again in 2006 to help defeat the FMA. While First Lady, Hillary broke with the Clinton Administration and called for the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell policy. Senator Clinton has continued to push for the repeal in Congress and has promised to continue the battle when she is our President. Senator Clinton has been a leader in the fight for increased AIDS funding and access to services for HIV positive and AIDS patients. Hillary wrote the Early Treatment for HIV Act that would allow states to provide Medicaid coverage to low-income individuals living with HIV. Hillary Rodham Clinton supports a trans-inclusive Employment Non Discrimination Act (ENDA). She favors ending discrimination in the workplace against individuals based on sexual orientation and gender identity....

Barack Obama's campaign lacks credibility. I say, put your money where your mouth is; but Barack's campaign is afraid to focus on his past record. That's because Obama doesn't really have the experience needed to run the White House. He doesn't want to talk about his record, because it doesn't exist. Instead the Obama campaign continues to wow voters with false hope and empty promises. The Obama campaign is a 'bandwagon.' Many voters seem to backing Barack, because it is the cool thing to do. That's not how we choose the next leader of the free world.

http://www.generationq.net/opinion/hillary-clinton-as-president-the-best-choice-for-t.shtml


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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:09 PM
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1. kick
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Sandaasu Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:09 PM
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2. Shame about that pesky DOMA thing. I'll stick with Obama (nt)
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:10 PM
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3. Sorry you're ignorant - Bill Clinton signed doma, not Hillary
You need to read up on the issues.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:13 PM
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7. Isn't she running as having experience in the WH already?
don't you think she had any say on what was going on. Then tell her to drop the 16 years BS
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:13 PM
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10. No, see, she had experience with everything that we like now. Everything bad was Bill's fault.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:16 PM
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12. No - she's not. But thanks for playing. She's running on a lifetime of experience
And besides, she opposed don't ask don't tell while her husband was in the white house. There's not one incident of her campaign courting or hiring so-called "ex-gays," either.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:18 PM
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15. So does that "lifetime of experience" not include her years as First Lady, then? If so,
she has an even thinner record than Obama.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:20 PM
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19. What? It seems like reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 08:21 PM by Politicub
Being first lady is important part of her experience, and she went against Bill on some issues. But, you won't acknowledge that because it doesn't fit your narrow frame of mind. That's OK, but it's important to set the record straight, and policy proposals, experience and history show that Hillary is stronger on LGBT issues.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:24 PM
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23. So being first lady is experience, because she was a close advisor to the President.
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 08:25 PM by Occam Bandage
That's why her First Lady experience makes her more competent than, say, Laura Bush. And we can point to her championing good policies. But we're not allowed to pin bad policies on her--just good policies. That's bull.

Tell me, is there any evidence from the '90s that suggested that she was strongly opposed to DOMA? Or, for that matter, is there any evidence any where that she is stronger on GLBT issues? On every single policy point they are identical.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:20 PM
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18. Tell Obama to
drop the "community organizer" BS. I do that myself, and it does not qualify me to be President.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:11 PM
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5. you should read up on the context of doma
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:13 PM
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8. I love the convoluted contortions y'all put yourself through to claim DOMA was actually pro-gay.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:15 PM
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11. i live in practicality. sorry it inconveniences you.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:17 PM
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14. Funny how everyone's ideas of "practicality" and "context"
seem to lead them right to the one spot where their candidate comes out smelling like roses.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:37 AM
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29. Respectfully, it sounds like you think the voters are bending their ideas to suit
the candidate rather than the reverse.

I'm sure that may be true some of the time.

I only know that for myself, I came down for Clinton over Obama because I considered these factors. I didn't consider after choosing Clinton.

I'm a 43 year old gay man. None of this is news to me. It all informed my decision.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:18 PM
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16. Doma is something the Obama supporters throw out there to take the focus
off Senator's Clinton's real views. You know that's true, that's why its so reprehensible that you keep misrepresenting her positions like that. Stop using falsehoods. If Obama is so fantastic on LGBT issues, then say so, but don't run around bashing Hillary with something that isn't true.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:22 PM
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21. How is it a "falsehood?" I think it's a valid point. It displays a willingness
to pass policies that harm gays in order to avoid RW criticism. While it doesn't mean she's a homophobe--and I'm not suggesting she's a homophobe--it also suggests that she won't exactly be a champion of gay rights.

She was silent on DADT. She was silent on DOMA. She was silent during NY's recent gay marriage push. I don't believe she'll be the fighter for gay rights that her DU supporters claim she will be.

For the record, I don't think Obama will be any better, either.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:38 AM
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30. All points can and should be considered. But after consideration, everyone will not
come to the same conclusion.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:53 AM
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32. self-delete n/t
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 08:56 AM by Marrah_G
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:11 PM
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4. K&R!
:kick:
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:12 PM
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6. Yes lets get more progessive policies like DOMA and DADT!!
Such progress!
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:40 AM
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31. Are you a GLBT person? Are you committed to GLBT issues? Do they impact
your life?

I like to know whether people have sincere material differences, or if they're just making a cheap political spin.

Thanks.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:13 PM
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9. She's the ONE!
GOMAMA!
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:17 PM
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13. GOMAMA!
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:21 PM
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20. Love that! GOMAMA!!!
:bounce:
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:02 AM
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26. gomama!
:D
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:20 PM
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17. It's nice to read a different perspective after the 15 thousand "gay newspaper endorses Obama" posts
I couldn't care less about either one, but it's always good to see the variety of opinions within the GLBT community.

We're not a monolithic voting bloc!
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:23 PM
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22. The Chicago Free Press, the gay newspaper here....
declined to endorse either Obama or Clinton...because neither is for same-sex marriage equality.
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:26 PM
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24. I applaud the Chicago Free Press for that!
:applause:

At least one publication gets it and knows that we don't have to settle for candidates who don't fully support us.
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 07:47 AM
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25. she got the majority of the BIG glbt endorsements. nt
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:05 AM
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27. K&R!
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:33 AM
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28. I already knew she was good...
well, certainly wayyyy better than Obama.
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:10 AM
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33. her record is excellent. nt
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