Obama lied about the war.

[AGirl]

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In video obtained by ABC News of a Winnetka, Ill., Democratic event from Sunday, Nov. 16, 2003, then-state senator Obama told a cheering crowd that it was wrong to vote to fund the war.

"Just this week, when I was asked, would I have voted for the $87 billion dollars, I said 'No,'" Obama said to applause as he referred to a bill to fund troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"I said no unequivocally because, at a certain point, we have to say 'No' to George Bush," Obama said. "If we keep on getting steamrolled, we are not going to stand a chance."

Obama's campaign says that he opposed the $87 billion war supplement because a portion of the funds were to be directed toward reconstruction of Iraq, which he feared would be distributed inappropriately.

"He was against this $20 billion in no-bid contracts that was forced into the bill for reconstruction for the country of Iraq with no accountability," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.

In a questionnaire he completed for the liberal group Council for a Livable World and in a 2003 press release he issued as a state senator, Obama suggested the Congress delay the $87 billion in funding "until the president provides a specific plan and timetable for ending the U.S. occupation, justifies each and every dollar to ensure it is not going to reward Bush political friends and contributors, and provides 'investment in our own schools, health care, economic development and job creation that is at least comparable' to what is going to Iraq."

That was when he was running for the Senate on a liberal platform, trying to get elected in a blue state. However, once he became a U.S. Senator - and prior to the next pandering season (i.e., prior to the start of his Presidential campaign), here is what he actually DID:

Until he ran for president, Sen. Obama supported every funding bill for Iraq.

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The New York Times reported on Sen. Obama's explanation for his Principled LeadershipTM:

And on his approval of Iraq funding, Senate Democrats generally supported war funding bills until President Bush vetoed a proposed timetable to withdraw troops in May – the point when both Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton began voting no on war funding.

You see, he just did what many other Democrats did. Awww, isn't that the most inspiring form of Principled LeadershipTM for ChangeTM you have ever seen? (Please say yes!)

[ursi]

1. wow, the oppositional spin is out of control today! LOL!

[AGirl]

3. do you have a legitimate disagreement with the post?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

30. unless the troops are being withdrawn they have to be fed and watered

the main problem is that the troops are not being withdrawn in great quantities.

[DainBramaged]

2. My Space, the urinal of Rupert Murdreck's empire.

[AGirl]

5. Do you have a legitimate disagreement with the post?

[DainBramaged]

7. You aren't familiar with passive dissent are you?

Or how this forum works. Some of us can comment without being directly involved with your substance.

Me I think My Space is a toilet, but you didn't understand that.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

4. Sounds bad to me. Obama is playing a card he never had saying its an ace.

[TheDebbieDee]

6. Didn't he address this recently by saying that he changed

his mind?

Changing your mind isn't a lie. When you change your mind, you evaluate new information and adjust your mindset accordingly. There's no big deal about that.

Now, when a person changes their mind on several issues, a la "Mitt Romney", then I call "bullshit".

[AGirl]

11. so he was wrong? I thought he said you had to be RIGHT on day one.

[AGirl]

12. so he was wrong? I thought he said you had to be RIGHT on day one.

[VolcanoJen]

8. I really never thought I'd live to see the day...

... that someone wrote "X Democrat Lied About The War."

What in the holy living hell...?

[boston bean]

32. So I guess all those people calling hillary a liar on this board are republican trolls then.

[VolcanoJen]

38. I'm not saying anything of the kind.

The only liar on the war is Bush/Cheney.

And to me, that is simply final. A closed book.

[Thrill]

9. Amazing how people try to tear down a person who is doing so much for this party

The title of this thread is sad. This is why Obama supporters get angry with the Hillary people

[BlackVelvet04]

14. You guys never, ever address the friggin' issue.....

you just whine about spin and Hillary people. Well, it's OUR party, too and we have a right to now what the counter is going to be if he gets the nomination and the republicans go on the attack. From what I can see all we'll get is a bunch of fucking whining about the republicans being so mean. How DARE anyone hold Obama the magnificent accountable.

Grow the hell up you bunch of simpleton personality worshippers.

If you can't answer this on the D.U. how are you going to answer the republicans before the general election? YOU CAN'T AND YOU WON'T AND YOU WILL BE THE DOWNFALL OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

[Name removed]

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[AGirl]

24. lol, i dare you to find me a post that suggests i said older voters are idiots.

[BlackVelvet04]

10. and chances are had he actually been in the Senate for the IWR vote,

if he bothered to vote, he would have voted yes.

[Thrill]

17. Why because Hillary did? Get over yourself

Every one didn't vote for it. If he was in the Senate he would of voted like Ted Kennedy

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Choices are difficult when you're actually facing them. He has voted for every finding bill

and I think it's safe to say, he would have voted for the IWR......why would we think anything different? The man is a liar. That's been shown in thread after thread after thread.

[Thrill]

28. No Hillary is the only one who has lied

Saying she didn't know the IWR was giving the President the right to go to war against IRAQ.

Also I agree choices are tough when you're faced with them and Hillary has made it clear she makes the WRONG choices.

In regards to voting for the funding........I agree with that vote. If you're going to send our kids to war, you better damn well pay for them to get everything they need. I would of been pissed if they both voted against that.

[BlackVelvet04]

25. You don't know that because he didn't know that....

he SAID he wouldn't vote for funding but he did. ACTIONS speak louder than words. His actions prove he has changed his mind on the war voting now don't they?

[Justice Is Comin]

13. What he

decries today, he denies tomorrow. Should be a bumper sticker.

How many times do we have to point it out? He's a fence walker and finger in the wind tester.

[BlackVelvet04]

15. They obviously can't be entrusted with the nomination for the Democratic

party. What a bunch of children.

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. OMG! Remember what they did to Kerry over this same $87 billion?? So, he was against it until

he had to go to the Senate and actually be faced with A CHOICE? Then he voted for ALL the funding?:eyes:


BOOKMARKED! This is a KEEPER! Thanks for posting it!:hi:

[jillan]

18. Oh GOD - not the 87 billion again!

[ErnestoG]

35. That's a lot of dinero. Well, not to an entitlement politician like Hillary, but to us commoners.

you know, us little people she wants to garnish wages from.

[ProSense]

20. Wow!

Obama suggested the Congress delay the $87 billion in funding "until the president provides a specific plan and timetable...

Your links aren't working.

[AGirl]

23. Its on barack's own site

SEP 2003: Obama Said $87B Is A Blank Check. "State Senator Barack Obama...said today that there should be 'no blank check for Iraq' in response to the Bush Administration's request for $87 billion from U.S. taxpayers. 'We should not have gone there in the first place,' Obama said. 'We should not stay there without an end in sight.' Obama challenged the Congress to 'stand up to the misplaced priorities of this Administration' by delaying the $87 billion for Iraq until the President provides a specific plan and timetable for ending the U.S. occupation, justifies each and every dollar to ensure it is not going to reward Bush political friends and contributors, and provides 'investment in our own schools, health care, economic development and job creation that is at least comparable' to what is going to Iraq. 'It's not just Iraq that needs rebuilding. It's America, too,' Obama said.


http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/01/05/fact_check_obamas_consistent_p.php

[stillcool]

42. Did you miss this...

'We should not stay there without an end in sight.' Obama challenged the Congress to 'stand up to the misplaced priorities of this Administration' by delaying the $87 billion for Iraq until the President provides a specific plan and timetable for ending the U.S. occupation

Obama NEVER said he would cut off funding, or not vote to fund the war. You should read your own spin.

[Windy]

21. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't hrc vote yes to those same bills?

And what was the reason? I believe Biden said that the troops were without critical equipment that they needed to be safe. Body armour, etc...

The FACT that our troops were sent into battle with inadequate equipment didn't come to the fore until later on.

Many senators voted to fund the bills for funding. They tried to insert timetables, but bush threatened to veto them. Insteand of denying the troops what they needed, they voted to fund. This is not only supportive of Obama's position, but Hillary and Biden too.

if all of you hillary supporters as so against the votes to support funding, where were you when Dennis Kucinich was in the race?????? He was the only one who voted to cut off funding of the candidates!!!

Try not to be such hypocrites when you attempt to support your candidate.

[burythehatchet]

26. your links go to a myspace page, I THOUGHT I GOT RICROLLED

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[maximusveritas]

27. Each funding vote is different. 12 senators voted against the 87 billion

All of them eventually voted for funding.

To say he lied is just stupid.

[AGirl]

29. well Obama suggested the Congress delay the $87 billion in funding "until the president provides

" a specific plan and timetable for ending the U.S. occupations.

[maximusveritas]

31. And?

Like I said, he's referring to that 87 billion.
Congress gave Bush that 87 billion before Obama got there. That funding bill was the first one and the worst one offered, which is why it had opposition and the others didn't.

[AGirl]

34. and he went back on his saying that he would not support funding bill without a timetable

[maximusveritas]

37. Did you even read what I said?

Or are you just committed to "lying" about what he said.

He was talking about the 87 billion funding bill, not every single funding bill.

[AGirl]

39. YOU are the one who didn't read what i said. The point was that he wouldn't support a funding bill

wihtout timetable, i think that's the point he was trying to convey.

[jackson_dem]

36. And Obama flip flopped on timetables when he was no longer in a Democratic primary

Then after opposing them for two years and voting against it he flip flopped again and became in favor of them in 2007...

[ErnestoG]

33. Nice try, Shillbot. Hillary voted for the Iraq War

and that is a fact you can never erase.

[mzmolly]

40. Where did he lie? Do you have an isolated quote demonstrating a lie

took place, because I don't see one in what you've provided.

[stillcool]

41. and then there's this...

Desperate in NH: Fibbing About Obama and Iraq?
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/01/6786_desperate_in_nh_1.html
Campaigning in Dover, New Hampshire the day before the primary, Senator Hillary Clinton once again pounded Barack Obama for being big on talk and small on deeds
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Saying in a campaign speech that you will not vote to fund the Iraq war and then voting for $300 billion in war financing—"that's not change," she exclaimed. After the event, in an interview with Fox News, Clinton was even sharper. She referred to Obama's (and John Edwards') "hypocrisy," and said, "Senator Obama has changed many of his positions." Voters, she insisted, deserved to know this: "Talk is, as they say, cheap."

Her charges against Obama have generally been weak—standard truth-stretchers for standard political campaigns. But in casting Obama as a phony on the Iraq war, Clinton has veered close to outright lying.
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I sent an email to a Clinton spokesperson who specializes in opposition research, asking for a citation to back up this charge. He quickly replied with a link for a page on a Clinton campaign website that contains a quote from a speech Obama delivered in November 2003, when he was running for Senate:

Just this week, when I was asked, would I have voted for the $87 billion dollars , I said no. I said no unequivocally because, at a certain point, we have to say no to George Bush. If we keep on getting steamrolled, we are not going to stand a chance.

Is it possible to read that statement as a promise never to vote for Iraq war funds? Not by any reasonable interpretation. In fact, during Obama's Senate campaign, he explained his opposition to this particular war funding bill in detail. From a September 29, 2003 Obama press release:

Obama challenged the Congress to 'stand up to the misplaced priorities of this Administration' by delaying the $87 billion for Iraq until the President provides a specific plan and timetable for ending the U.S. occupation, justifies each and every dollar to ensure it is not going to reward Bush political friends and contributors, and provides 'investment in our own schools, health care, economic development and job creation that is at least comparable' to what is going to Iraq. 'It's not just Iraq that needs rebuilding. It's America, too,' Obama said.
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Perhaps as an opponent of the Iraq war, Obama could have been expected to vote against funds for the war once he reached the Senate. But he, like Clinton (who now opposes the war) and other Senate Democrats, have continually voted for funds, while attempting (albeit unsuccessfully) to attach conditions and timetables to that funding. Because Clinton cannot attack Obama on the policy—given that they have voted the same—she has accused him of being a hypocrite. But where was the beef?