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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:40 PM
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Edwards was by a long shot the best Democratic candidate in the field
that is would have made the best president. My problem with his candidacy was he ignored national security.

While I thought he was actually decent on national security, I thought he would be destroyed politically on the issue because he did not make it one of the main focuses in his candidacy.

In Obama's case, I believe he is genuinely weak on the issue.

But it was beyond me why Edwards, my first choice, didn't play it up.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:42 PM
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1. it wouldn't have mattered if he tried to play it up ...money, ads, the msm ...corrupt lobbyists, etc
but he was our best candidate ...IMHO. It's sad.
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durtee librul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:43 PM
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2. I agree and now we are stuck with the lesser of two....n/t
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:46 PM
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5. I don't know, wonder how many voters like me looked further because of the concern
about "electability" if he didn't play up that end of the issues.

On paper anyway it would seem a populist who appealed to the groups he did and was also judged "strong on defense" could have gone a long way. It perplexed me.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:43 PM
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3. Edwards is out but you still spend a lot of time bashing Obama. Why?
Do you need a hobby? Why be so ugly and nasty? The election isn't going to be decided by ugly posts on DU so all you're accomplishing is making this a miserable place to be. Good job.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:47 PM
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7. I thought this thread was about Edwards
Silly ol' me.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:45 PM
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4. Edwards is a nice man. But I live in NC.... If he were the nominee
He would of disappointed in the GE. He has a hard time convincing people here in his home state that he is genuine. He would of been a mistake to nominate. Sorry
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:48 PM
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8. The only reason I don't fully agree with that is I thought he was phony at the outset
but as the campaign wore on he impressed me more. I ended up with the reservations about electability but not on the "phony" basis.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:59 PM
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12. Say what you want.......He's considered
phony. Like I've said the biggest mistake he made was when he was elected as Senator he rarely came back to the state. He had his eyes on running for President from the beginning and people have never forgot about it. He's good man with good plans, but he would of sunk big time in the GE. And would of like not even have won the NC Primary here. People love Obama in NC
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:22 PM
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18. You just keep peddling that trash about Edwards... Do you really live in NC?
You exist, therefore you have an opinion. It sure does not mean you are anywhere close to being right. I don't know what part of Charlotte you live in, but your sentiments are not born out by the polling across NC.

I have my doubts about anyone who speaks for the entire State of North Carolina and can be so uninformed.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:09 PM
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24. I wonder about that too -
"I have my doubts about anyone who speaks for the entire State of North Carolina and can be so uninformed" - hell, I work with a lot of black men that wouldn't vote for Obama (or Clinton for that matter), not because of the race thing, but because he has come across as an elitist snob - they liked Edwards better because he was addressing issues that directly effected them.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:27 PM
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25. Wait your criticism is Edwards never showed up in NC and you're saying they "love" Obama who
started running for president after one year in the Senate?
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rodriguez94 Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:12 PM
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15. you can speak for yourself,
but not this North Carolinian. I was a Delegate for him in Boston, and with any luck, I will be in Denver.

Come November, my vote will be we with the Democratic nominee, but until I vote in May, it's John Edwards all the way.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:23 PM
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20. DISAGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY ... See Post # 18. n/t
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:04 PM
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23. Really?
I don't see that - I live in Wilmington and New Hanover country area had donated about 100,000.00 to his campaign. That was like three times more than the other two.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:47 PM
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6. It didn't matter what he focused on, the media was gonna ignore him
P.S. He did have an idea or two about National Security... But I guess it didn't translate well to a 30-second soundbite.

Strengthening Domestic Defense
"The administration may think domestic defense is about changing the color code from yellow to orange. Let me tell you something: the colors that will make America safer are firefighter red, EMT white, and police officer blue." -- John Edwards

John Edwards has outlined a strategy to strengthen America's defenses against the threat of further terrorist attack. Edwards' strategy focuses on tightening our border security, strengthening security at the likeliest targets of terrorist attacks and improving domestic readiness so we are always prepared to respond to threats. At the same time, Edwards believes that winning the fight against terrorists requires wisdom and moral strength, as well as military might. If we are to succeed in spreading democracy abroad, we must defend the fundamental principles of democracy at home.

Protecting First Responders
Our first responders are our first line of defense for homeland security. Yet we need to do far better to stand up for those who stand up for us. As we saw in 9/11, first responders can suffer terrible health consequences as a result of their heroism. We also need to do more to strengthen the organizational capacity and training of first responders.

Strengthen staffing: Edwards will strengthen the Staffing for Adequate Fire and Emergency Response (SAFER) Fire Fighters Act, which helps local governments meet the growing demands of our emergency preparedness requirements.
Help for frontline officers: Police on the front lines need better warning information, more security clearances, and improved access to newly-combined federal watch lists. Edwards will apply all available federal resources to ensure that local law enforcement agencies receive the information they need to respond to terrorist threats.
Protect the health of first responders: If we don’t take care of our first responders, they won’t be able to take care of us. Edwards would put an Incident Safety Management System in place to make difficult safety decisions and will give it the equipment, capabilities, and authority it needs. Edwards would also launch pilot programs for integrated safety management, conduct preparedness exercises, and train disaster management safety experts who can be deployed to lead the response at the site of an emergency.
Employ the National Guard more effectively. In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, our nation’s military response had significant shortcomings in the critical first few days. To learn the lesson from Katrina, Edwards would speed up National Guard response across state lines by making each National Guard unit capable of rapid deployment and having state governors ready to call up units and not just wait for volunteers. He would establish plans to use the Air National Guard or commercial air services to fly designated National Guard units to out-of-state emergencies. He would also create a new system of regional National Guard task forces to train regularly with local first responders, including law enforcement officials, as well as other units that are focused on counterterrorism and weapons of mass destruction.
Implement a COPS II program. Edwards would provide state and local law enforcement agencies the resources to hire intelligence analysts and counterterrorism officers. Edwards would also create a culture of “first preventers” and not just “first responders” so that state and local law enforcement offers get training and information to prevent terrorism, not just clean up after it.
Tightening Our Border Security
Our border is the line of first defense against those who would do us harm. Yet five and a half years after 9/11, we still have dangerous vulnerabilities, which run the risk of allowing a terrorist to transport weapons across our border. Edwards believes we should be far more aggressive with border security.

Borders: Edwards supports substantial increases in the ranks of the Department of Homeland Security, Border Patrol, and consular officials to secure our borders.
Seaports: Over 1 million passengers and pedestrians, 327,000 vehicles, and 70,000 shipping containers come into the United States through ports of entry each day. Only 80% of the country's ports have the ability to screen for nuclear and radiological materials and weapons. Edwards would require the following steps: 100% of all foreign ports should screen within five year, with no extensions; 100% of all U.S. ports should screen within three years; and “smart containers” should be made available to shippers that will detect and report entries into containers so anything dangerous can be quickly spotted.
Air Cargo: The 23 billion pounds of air cargo that enter the U.S. annually are only partially screened today. Edwards would request a National Intelligence Estimate on the mid- to long-term threat to passenger air travel; at least double the volume of air cargo inspected within three years; and work through the new Counterterrorism and Intelligence Treaty Organization (CITO) he has proposed to establish stronger multilateral global air cargo security standards.
Protecting The Most Vulnerable Targets
Many of our most valuable assets—our chemical plants, skyscrapers, and sports arenas—are also potential targets for terrorists. A successful attack on any of these targets would be devastating, and we must do everything in our power to protect them. Edwards believes we must do far more to protect our most vulnerable targets.

Chemical Plants: Because of industry pressure, new watered-down security rules imposed by the Bush administration may actually weaken security at many plants. Edwards has supported tough new safety standards at chemical plants vulnerable to terrorist attacks.
Skyscrapers and Arenas: Today, many tall buildings and arenas lack state-of-the-art security and blast-resistant materials. Edwards supports research into improved safety standards, building construction, and building security methods. He also supports better training, screening and supervision for the private security industry.
Cybersecurity: Only a few federal agencies follow best practices for securing their computers against cyber-attack. Edwards will require all federal agencies to adopt these practices.
Improving Domestic Readiness
Homeland security is not just a matter of borders and protecting valuable targets. We must also improve our readiness by working more with the people who serve us and the warning systems that tell us when something had gone wrong. Edwards believes we must dramatically improve our systems for assuring domestic readiness.

Getting Americans Involved: Edwards will support communities that encourage citizens to serve—e.g., for one weekend each year. He also supports neighborhood watches and other measures that would enable communities to better address homeland security concerns.
Improved Emergency Warnings: The color-coded warning system is often more confusing than helpful and does not reach all Americans in the event of a nighttime attack. Edwards would require the provision of better, faster and more practical information using all available technologies, including traditional telephones, cell phones, and pagers.
Establish Professional Responsibility Training: Several inspectors and border patrol agents have been indicted and convicted for lapses in professional responsibility. Edwards would establish better training that will focus on employee integrity and improved reporting of corruption.
Keeping America Safe And Free
John Edwards believes we must stop the Bush administration's trampling of basic freedoms in the name of the war against terror. As president, Edwards will prohibit surveillance of Americans’ phone calls and emails without a warrant, close down Guantanamo Bay, restore habeas corpus, and say no to torture.

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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:49 PM
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9. Maybe so but I was looking to see if he went offense on NS in the debates
As I said I thought he was decent on the issue (Obama is troubling), but didn't play it well
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classykaren Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:50 PM
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10. he just refused a celebirty endorsement
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:56 PM
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11. If his website is still up
He had quite a comprehensive military policy with several national security advisors helping him plan it out. Several retired Generals where also on his advisory team. He addressed everything from bringing the troops home to taking care of our vets and military families.

Unfortunately, the silly questions asked at the debates didn't address his fine tuned plan to keep America safer (which he did not think it was).

Much was ignored about JE in the media in favor of history being made with Hillary and Obama.

Sigh.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:25 PM
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21. The website is up and working!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:01 PM
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26. Oh, a very good sign !
Just sayin'.... have Dan Abrams on as background noise, and he's doing a pre-Super Bowl-like Tuesday State-by-State....he's including Edwards !

Looks like our guy is sucking about 17-20% of the votes tommorrow. Guess the word is out Nader's launched his exploratory campaign...which he said he'd do if H/O were the noms.

Watching Bloomberg too....and Gore. Lots of buzz with this "historic" Dem thing, not to mention, the GOP field sucks.
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I. J. Reilly Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:00 PM
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13. Edwards was my first choice . . .
and I think he got royally fucked by the media. However, I do like both of the remaining candidates (despite their significant flaws).
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:15 PM
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16. Welcome to DU! I agree. Edwards was my first choice
and he just couldn't get enough of the "free coverage" that the top two were getting...

I like the remaining two well enough, and I will vote, but I am not sure that I am ready to get all that excited or do that much work for one of them. I was fairly excited about John Edwards, and I would have been fanatical over a Gore candidacy.

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whatdoyouthink Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:04 PM
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14. Agree
He should not have dropped out - at least before Feb 5th ...that was a big disapointment - and fell he let us down...and got to omit - some (campian advisor's - don't think were doing there best and should have been fired, also some blame has to go to John- focusing on the poor - was nobel, but should have used more " working class" or Middle class' names - poor don't get out to vote!!! as much as anyone else Age/Class/Education / etc...DO

And if there NOT a true Progessive - forgetaboutit...but glad he did not "sale out" to win.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:21 PM
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17. Thanks for posting this thread!
It's nice to see the positive love for John Edwards, than the usual mud-flinging of "you know who" on this site.

Edwards appealed to a lot of political insiders and thinkers. I respect the fact I met a lot of deep-thinking Edwards supporters in this forum.

That said, I will not give up my support for Edwards the candidate. If Hillary and Obama trade punches with no clear winner up to the Convention, where I will be, you never know what could happen. At the very least, I would like to see John's platform as an advocate against poverty, taken up by the eventual nominee.

Peace.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:22 PM
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19. Happy
to :kick: and Recommend!
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:46 PM
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22. I feel that Edwards was going to be the voice that finally said
no to this madness.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:02 PM
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27. I try to listen to Thom Hartmann everyday. He never endorsed anyone,
but he had a special fondness for Edwards (always seemed like an endorsement to me). He does a call in poll every week, and Edwards would always walk away with it. It made me think, since I was for Edwards, people like me have little influence.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:07 PM
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28. I will be caucusing for John Edwards tomorrow.
Obama has a pretty vocal (and pushy) organization going on here, but I know that Edwards had a lot of supporters, as well, so I may find some kindred spirits at the caucus tomorrow night. If not, I'll be uncommitted. I have no second choice.
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