Did You Ever Imagine You Would See "Billary" All Over DU?

[QC]

I can't say that I did, yet there it is, plastered all over DU, along with just about every other right wing slogan from the 90's kulturkampf, mouthed this time by pious Democrats.

If this is the new politics of hope, it looks an awful lot like the old politics of hate.

[Mojorabbit]

1. I don't necessarily

see it as a negative term. They are campaigning as a team and at times the merged name seems to fit. I am sure some are using it as a negative term though.

[QC]

5. The GOP crotchsniffers of the 90's certainly saw it as a negative.

Of course, all that is ancient history, I guess.

[rodeodance]

15. Yes, it is neg. term-very NEG!

[ursi]

2. some Dems never got over the Monica thing or other issues

...and haven't let the stink of the 7 years under Bush cloud their memories.

[libbygurl]

6. And they call themselves Democrats? nt

[Recursion]

18. I think a lot of the party was disappointed in his Presidency

NAFTA, DADT, DOMA, welfare gutting... er... reform, losing both chambers of Congress, the feel-good but do-nothing-except-piss-people-off AWB, and the relentless, relentless nudging of the party to the right. The relentless expansion of globalization and the utter marginalization of those of us who were trying to warn about its dark side (which turns out to be pretty much all of it). A soaring stock market when real wages were stagnant. Obviously I hate what the right-wing attack machine did, but I also didn't like the Carville/Morris governance-as-perpetual-campaigning mode. When I look back at 1990's politics I'm forced to compare it to the Battle of Verdun and it doesn't make me less of a Democrat to wonder if there's not a better way.

It was nowhere near as bad as *'s administration, but that's not saying much, is it? Nader was wrong to say there's no difference in the parties (which was why I voted for Gore), but his message only got traction because the previous 8 years had seen the Democratic party move so far to the right.

On a personal level, I love and admire the guy*, and obviously he did a lot better than GHWB or Dole would have, but the 1990's were hardly a good time for liberalism in this country.

* but, yes, my respect for him went down a lot when he lied about the affair with Lewinsky. It just did, and I don't feel any need to apologize for that, and I don't feel like it makes me less of a Democrat. I feel like he squandered a lot of opportunities.

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. I never gave a crap about Monica.

NAFTA? That's a different story. Welfare reform. DOMA. Refusing to pursue BCCI, Iran/Contra, CIA drugrunning...

Why WOULD I give a crap about Monica?

[NastyRiffraff]

3. AND every RW Clinton smear rehashed

Politics of hope my ass. They're even posting Drudge. I feel like I'm in Freeperville.

[QC]

8. Not just Drudge. One posted Charles Krauthammer the other day.

Krauthammer! And another posted Frank Luntz!

[billbuckhead]

4. "the change it had to come"

"The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the foe, that' all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!"

Won't Get Fooled Again
by The Who

[libbygurl]

7. Sometimes, you gotta wonder if this is still DEMOCRATIC Underground for sure. nt

[QC]

9. I'm wondering when the Mena cocaine stories will resurface.

And the Haitian manboobs.

[Armstead]

10. Yes you criticize the Clintons, and you're automatically a right wing Republican

I think a new tune is needed. That one is really old and stale.

[QC]

25. I'm not a Clinton fan.

But I can't help but be a bit disgusted with people here rerunning all the freeper golden oldies.

[BootinUp]

43. So its fine with you if Clinton supporters start using RW name

calling for Obama. Not saying I would, but is that what you want DU to be like?

[Armstead]

52. Frankly, often the stuff flung at Obama is in the same spirit

"cultlike" Messiah" "coke user" "Too far left" "Utopian" etc.

Any of those words often used to describe Obama and his supporters could come just as easily out of the mouth of Rush or his ilk.

[IndieLeft]

11. First thread I've seen it in all day. Thanks.

Cuz we didn't have enough bs on here today.

[Cant trust em]

12. I missed the 90's

Billary just seems like a funny play on their names, similar to Bennifer or Brangelina. Not really a political thing.

That being said, I don't buy Hillary's claim that she's more electable because people have already used these anti-Clinton memes in the 90's. They are still going to be part of the arsenal as far as the vast right-wing conspiracy is concerned.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

14. Obviously, DUers can say whatever they want about Dems

They can lie, they can divide, they can outright troll by supporting a candidate in one post and trashing him/her in the next, and nothing will happen to them. Because every registration represents a real or potential donation, and that's all that matters here any more.

[nonconformist]

16. I know. It's ridiculous.

Next thing you know, there will be Vince Foster threads.

[Extend a Hand]

17. I don't like it

[Raine]

19. Some stuff is disgusting for sure

I have seen posts here about Chapaquadtic (spelling ?) and calling Teddy a drunk & killer....DISGUSTING. :wtf: I don't care if you're disappointed that he endorsed Obama or not. It's just plain repulsive & hateful seeing that kind of shit here in the DU. Leave that shit in the freak republic where it belongs. :grr:

[Apollo11]

20. Since the Clinton campaign started to use Bill in a big way, it's legitimate.

The Clinton campaign took a big risk having Bill play such a big part in this campaign. Headlining his own events and speaking to reporters. He is not just your typical candidate's spouse. He was President for 8 of the past 15 years. No wonder folks start to get confused if this is all about Hillary or if it is about the Spirit of 1992 and "putting the Clintons back in the Whitehouse".

[leftynyc]

47. Really?

Do you think Michelle Obama is campaigning any less for her spouse than Bill is for his?

[leftofthedial]

21. or a fitting name for a two-headed (and two-faced) political

doppelganger

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

22. The only thing that surprises me...

...is that we haven't been seeing "hitlery." I guess that's too freeperish even for the rabid anti-Clinton crowd.

[QC]

23. Yeah, I'm expecting Hitlery Klintoon to pop up any minute.

Along with someone defending it as legitimate.

[NoPasaran]

41. I haven't seen that yet

But "Hildabeast" popped up a few days ago.

[mondo joe]

24. Plenty of 90's Freeper Smears have been posted here. Some DUers are much more fickle

than I imagined.

[ShortnFiery]

26. Americans tend to have a STRONG dislike for "royalty" = even of the political variety.

We're SICK of both "The Clinton" and "The Bush" families monopolizing our Executive Branch. Perhaps "Billary" is a little harsh, but to me it is REPRESENTATIVE of what would be a THIRD (x3) DLC staffed Executive Branch within 20 years!

Say no to Political Royal Families!

[Adelante]

27. I never thought I would see pictures of nooses on DU

Inviting black people to step up :shrug:

I don't know where I am anymore.

[QC]

28. That's disgusting!

I hope whoever posted that is gone now.

[Adelante]

32. I don't know

I was so horrified I alerted and moved on. I don't know what became of it. But I would think the poster received the tombstone immediately.

[Hoof Hearted]

50. If that was today, I did see somebody get TS'd after 2 posts. Now that thread on Chelsea should be

next. The OP is a painfully obvious Repuke troll. Claims to support Kucinich but can't even spell the mans name. Answers every post with * in an obvious poke towards how we at DU address Bush. I can't believe that thread's been allowed to stand either.

Oh, and it's pure, unadulterated flame-bait. No serious discussion intended or possible.

[Bread and Circus]

29. I never say Billary but to be honest, Bill and Hillary asked for it...

[BootinUp]

42. Oh Yes, I heard them ask for it too .sarcasm

What a dumbass thing to say. :thumbsdown:

[Bread and Circus]

45. It is they that brought up the idea of a co-presidency back in the 90's

[calico1]

30. No.

Or "Shillary" or any of the names Freepers usually use. Nor did I ever expect people on DU to claim she is close friends with everyone from Karl Rove to the Bushs or that she is no different from any of them.

Yeah, politics of hope all right.

It has all been a true eye opener, for sure.

[Yossariant]

31. The Obamatons have joined forces with the freepi.

Lotta freepi posting here.

"Reaching out."

And I never thought I'd see the day when Democrats crow over an Andrew Sullivan endorsement, but I saw it here from the Obamatons or freepi.

It's hard to tell which is who.

:shrug:

[skooooo]

33. Your post is the only place I see it.

[QC]

36. Then you should look around a bit. Search pulls up 19 threads.

Takes me back to the 90s.

[Mass]

34. No, but I never imagined that a racist piece of crap from frontpage.com would not be locked either.

[Bluerthanblue]

35. no, and it will never come from my keyboard-

That is one thing I can say for certain.

I don't believe it serves anyone to play childish, stupid insulting games.


peace~

[TornadoTN]

37. Don't use it myself, but considering that she has Bill front and center it's to be expected

She's running as the "Continue the Clinton years of the 90's" campaign. Sure, those were great times, but things are different now and he had his turn in office. I want to vote for a candidate who stands on their own, not coasts on the back of Bill's record (which is mixed, in my opinion).

[skooooo]

38. There is that....

...live by the sword...

[Orsino]

39. Some of the gloss is off the Clinton machine...

...now that we've had a few years of perspective in which to watch her actual performance, and to reflect on his.

[1corona4u]

40. I agree....

and I think there is more of this 'superior' attitude to come from the O supporters and it won't be good for this country, despite what they say.

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. Free Republic has taken over GDP.

:grr:

[Justpat]

46. Lee Atwater is doing a jig in his grave.

And his understudy, Karl Rove, probably pisses himself with glee reading this trash.

DU has become the repository of all the right wing talking points and they are
slung around by pretend Dems hoping to drag the place down to the lowest
possible level of discussion.

What makes me sick is that they have been so successful. This place is a sewer
of useless, derogatory, infantile remarks.

All of DU is diminished by allowing right wing talking points and tactics to
become acceptable means of discussion.

[demokatgurrl]

48. Lifted right from William Kristol. n/t

[Hoof Hearted]

49. And pure flamebait attacks on Chelsea being allowed to stand by the mods?

Posted by an obvious Republican troll who claims to support Kucinich but can't even spell the mans name? And to have that thread piled on with vicious, ugly abandon by the denizens of the politics of hope and a change in tone?

Fuck no.

[jeffrey_X]

51. As long as she keeps saying "we" when referring to the 90's, then it's appropriate.

eom

[LostinVA]

53. No, or mention of Monica, blue dresses, Vince Foster

Drudge, et al, being used as legit sources.

[LostinVA]

54. No, or mention of Monica, blue dresses, Vince Foster

Drudge, et al, being used as legit sources.