Republicans might not vote for Clinton? It's not because of any of the bullshit that flies here

[bigtree]

It's because they see her as the REAL agent of change. They know she threatens their party's corporatist, fascist, militarist agenda. It's not because of her tears, her cronies, her husband's affairs, or how he speaks to and about blacks. The republicans are polarized against her because they feel she actually threatens to aggressively derail their corrupt interests.

She should, and, most certainly will as president.

[neutron]

1. NOBAMA!

[joshcryer]

2. Pretty much, they know she'll fight their agenda tooth and nail.

They know that Obama would make a nice "diplomatic puppet."

[bigtree]

5. He would fight them, I believe, where it counted. He just hasn't registered on their threat meter

YET

[cali]

3. bzzzzt. wrong. wrong. wrong. The Hillary hate on the right isn't

nearly as rational as you think it is. And it's utterly ridiculous to make the claimt that it's because she threatens to "derail their corrupt interests". In fact, dear, the monied part of the repuke party in places like Westchester County, NY and Fairfield County CT, don't terribly hate Hill, but the socons and the "little guy repuke" absolutely detest her.

[bigtree]

8. They are afraid she'll take away every plank of their party's platform

from God to guns . . .

[cali]

12. no. it's just not that coherent. it's far more irrational

and not nearly as intelligent as you make out. it's sexism writ large. it's belief in such crap as the "murder of Vince Foster". It's the belief that she's "anti-american". Check out the right side of the blogosphere. My ex who is actually neither stupid or uneducated, clearly hates her out of sexism and the belief that she's "scheming". Most of the hate of Hillary comes from the "lizard" brain. It is not rational.

[bigtree]

15. True. Do you see the potential for Obama to wind up in that position? I do.

That's what they do. They don't seem to be able to help themselves.

[cali]

21. yes. no doubt about it.

if Obama were ever to become president, I think that much the same could happen, but again, I've seen enormous amounts of hate bred out of sexism. I would expect to see hate bred out of racism re Obama, but sadly I think the former is more acceptable than the latter.

[DebraK]

4. Wait, isn't Hillary a republican? Are you sure she isn't? Didn't she vote for the war?

Oh, that's right...

Reasons not to vote for corrupt Hillary: (besides the fact she voted for the war in Iraq, she didn't even read the bill for the war and claims the bill was about letting in inspectors even though the bill was titled "Authorisation to use military force in Iraq". She claims she didn't read the bill but asked Bush personally what it was about)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4398804&mesg_id=4398804

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4401210&mesg_id=4401210

From ABC news:

"Another war opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, was second (to Ron Paul) with about $94,000. Soldiers love Ron and Barack, and lobbyists love Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, the No. 1 recipient of lobbyist cash, receiving $823,000 in 2007 from the lobbying industry, which gave about $2.7 million overall."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4346457&mesg_id=4346457

Reasons to vote for Barack Obama: www.barackobama.com/issues

[bigtree]

6. That must be why they love her so much. I hear republicans EVERYWHERE praising Hillary

:eyes:

[EFerrari]

7. They won't vote for her because they mistakenly believe she is a liberal.

On the other hand, they will certainly vote against her. That's what she's up against.

[bigtree]

10. Neither Democratic candidate is viewed by their majority as anything other than liberal

They have very specific complaints about Hillary which relate to her 'liberalism', but comprise every individual facet of their party's agenda.

[EFerrari]

13. That's a good point. They make distinctions among their own

candidates but both Democrats are liberals in their flattened out estimation.

I really don't see much daylight between Clinton and Obama in respect to policy. She has eight years to lug around that he doesn't. :shrug:

[bigtree]

14. their Senate terms have been remarkably similar

I believe that's why there's such a strain to define their differences with these esoteric and sensational points folks are making here, and, are making elsewhere in the press.

[niceypoo]

9. Republicans have always been scared of the name 'Clinton'

Because Bill Clinton mopped up with them, particularly in the 96 election where dispirited republicans barely showed up to vote.

[bigtree]

11. that is another reality

They are intimidated by the two-term president's ability to inspire support around the nation, as he did, handsomely, throughout their attempts to impeach him.

[TwilightGardener]

16. I'm sorry, but this post is delusional. Out of all Dem candidates, the one

I would identify MOST with a corporate- and military-industrial-complex-friendly mind-set is Hillary Clinton. I think the Repubs don't like her for more personal reasons. And because of Bill.

[bigtree]

19. Just listen in on the call in shows. It's personal and policy

From God to guns . . . Bill is their target because of his broad national appeal, and the fact that he whopped them at the same time they were impeaching him. And, if you really can't see the difference between Clinton and the right-wing MIC, then you haven't been looking.

[TwilightGardener]

22. There's a difference between her and the far-right in being pro-corporate

and pro-MIC, but it's a matter of degrees. She and Madeline Albright (who thinks it's a waste if we don't use our military) are two peas in a pod for a reason.

[bigtree]

24. here's some of her Defense record outside of the typical buttons that folks like to push around here

Bill Title Vote
01/22/2008 Defense Authorizations Bill NV
12/18/2007 Iraq Withdrawal Amendment NV
12/18/2007 Inclusion of Iraq and Afghanistan Military Operations Funding with the Consolidated Appropriations NV
11/16/2007 Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense and Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq Y
11/16/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense N
10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
09/21/2007 Iraq Troop Reduction Amendment Y
09/19/2007 Time Between Troop Deployments Y
07/19/2007 Sense of the Senate on Guantanamo Bay Detainees Y
07/18/2007 Iraq Troop Reduction Y
05/24/2007 Emergency Departmental Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 N
04/26/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline Y
11/15/2005 Status of Detainees Substitute Amendment Y
11/15/2005 Judicial Review of Detainees Amendment Y
11/10/2005 Detainees at Guantanamo Bay Amendment N
11/08/2005 National Commission on Detainees Amendment Y
07/26/2005 National Defense Authorization Act - Cloture N
06/23/2004 Military Construction FY2005 Authorization bill Y
11/12/2003 Fiscal 2004 Defense Authorization - Conference Report Y
10/17/2003 Emergency Appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan Y
05/22/2003 Fiscal 2004 Defense Authorization-Passage Y
12/13/2001 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002 Y
10/02/2001 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002


each category linked to bill and Clinton's statements during the time of the votes, at: http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=55463&type=category&category=22&go.x=10&go.y=10

[bidenista]

17. BOOM! bang on target. nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. also because republicans dont generally vote for dems. this is primarily why they are called

republicans

[truebrit71]

20. ROFL!!! That's the funniest one yet!!! She's been a politician her entire life...

..but NOW she's an agent for change?


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[bigtree]

23. She's only served as a senator

I think she was a lawyer for a good part of her life and worked on projects related to Arkansas under her husbands administration.

Her husband managed quite a bit of unraveling of the previous Bush's mischief. But, the point in the OP is about the perception of republican voters, not the view of progressives in our party who rightly work and wish for the rise of one of some immaculate politician. Is there really such an animal?