STOP LYING about HEALTH CARE it is far too important to lie about!

[musicblind]

Health care is too important to lie about!

My parents, who are REPUBLICANS, were saying at the breakfast table this morning that Hillary's health care plan was a good idea.

They wont VOTE for her, but it says something when even "Keep your hands off my money" republicans believe the plan is needed. Why? Because a mandated plan IS needed. And NO it does NOT force you to buy coverage when you can't afford it and you are a lying liar if you claim it does.

The way my mother put it is right. It is much like mandated car insurance. In our state you are required by law to purchase car insurance. If it was not required then a LOT of people would not purchase it... and look at the disastrous shape we would be in. People would have wrecks and destroy other people's property and have no way to pay for it. Hey, it's their choice to do that ... right? Just like it's the consumer's choice to not buy health insurance and leave other people with the bills.

Some things should be required for the greater good.

Yet many people spread bald faced LIES about this health care plan because they have no GOOD legitimate reason to bash it.

Hillary will LOWER the cost of Health Care for those who can afford it, and if someone can NOT afford health care then she will NOT MAKE THEM BUY IT! It is that simple. There is no case of "You have to buy health care even if you can't afford it." I am shocked at the number of people on DU lying about this. Medicare will still be in place and will be expanded for people who simply can't afford to purchase health care. For the people who can afford it... it will be made even MORE affordable.

If you CAN afford it then you should not have a right to be irresponsible and not get health care. There are many things that you can not do because they are irresponsible. You can't drive drunk. Do people have the right to drive drunk because they want to? You can't leave a pet unattended in your car, you can't forget to take your children to school, and you can't snort coke because it makes you feel good. So tell me why you should be allowed to make such an irresponsible decision to not purchase health care and then foot the bill to other people! Footing the bill to other people is much more akin to stealing money from the pockets of someone else than is mandating health care.

I haven't gotten riled up about anything on DU since I registered, I write most of it off as partisan BS. I support Hillary but also like Obama a lot, so it's never been THAT big of a deal to me. But this health care lie is going to become the first thing on this board to PISS ME OFF. Health care is far to important of an issue to use for political fodder.

We need to be HONEST with ourselves about this. Obama's plan is great, Hillary's would be even better, but let's not LIE about it. Obama has never called Hillary a thief because he knows it is a lie.

I think it is funny that I post topics each day on issues not relating to how much I love or hate Hillary or Obama, but on topics related to the actual election. Threads such as "Do you think Romney or McCain will be the Rep Nominee tomorrow and why". Yet no one responds to these threads because people here don't seem to be interested in calmly discussing issues and how to improve them. People here are only interested in hyperbole attacks on whichever democratic candidate they are not voting for. How immature.

I support Hillary and will probably vote for her.

But I support Obama as well.

Supporting one candidate is not a mutually exclusive thing, and it shouldn't be when we are ALL in this party together.

[joshcryer]

1. Well, if Obama gets the nod, then at least we have Hillary and Edwards in the Senate.

They could persuade Obama to go with their (really Edwards') plan.

[pdxmom]

6. Uh...when did Edwards get re-elected to the Senate? N/T

[SteppingRazor]

2. I voted Obama, even though I agree with you that Hillary's healthcare plan is better.

Mind you, I think it would be even better if we just mandated a national, nonprofit healthcare plan and told the insurance industry where they could go stick it, but neither of our candidates is behind that, unfortunately.

[UALRBSofL]

3. I agree

:)

[joshcryer]

4. That's just completely infeasible, though.

It's not politically possible to get something like that to pass.

[SteppingRazor]

8. Oh, I'll grant you that.

Change, after all, comes in small steps, not broad leaps -- in fact, historically, when change has come in huge leaps, it has generally been extraordinarily bad (see: Great Leap Forward). I do think that, eventually, we will get to a single-payer, not-for-profit system, but it has t start with something like Hillary's plan.

[musicblind]

7. Thank you

I am probably going to vote for Hillary, unless something changes. However, I think Obama has a lot of good ideas as well, and will be excited if he is president. I think it would be GREAT for foriegn relations. I think he is stronger on foriegn relations than Hillary is. But the Health Care plan is a bit of a kicker for me. As well as the promise last night to over turn DADT. It is a hard choice to make between who you think is the best to lead the country. It is an especially hard choice when the top two candidates are so similar. I do not dog anyones decision, and am so happy that you voted for Obama and made sure your voice was heard. What is sad are the numbers of people who do not vote ... that makes me angry as well. I posted a thread about voter apathy the other day.

[SteppingRazor]

10. Thanks ... although, since I live in Florida, my voice wasn't actually heard.

:grr:



Also, for what it's worth, Obama has been for overturning Don't Ask Don't Tell since the beginning of his campaign.

[musicblind]

14. oh

I didn't know that. Has he been vocal about it? I can't believe I missed it. I knew he had a good policy in favor of Civil Unions and against a federal amendment to ban gay marriage.

[SteppingRazor]

18. Check out his gay-rights web site...

http://pride.barackobama.com/


In the "On the Issues" pdf there, it states:


Repeal Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell
Obama believes we need to repeal the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. The key test for military service
should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve. Obama will work with military leaders to repeal the current policy and ensure we accomplish our national defense goals.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

5. If they're going to take money from people, it should not be for private insurance

We don't buy private insurance for police and fire protection.

We don't buy private insurance for public education.

(IMO, we shouldn't have to buy private auto liability insurance either. Everyone should be covered through a surcharge on fuel. No more uninsured drivers if we did that. You could still purchase a private policy for full coverage. But that's another story.)

The real LIE about these health proposals is that they will lead to universal single payer. Nonsense. They tell us that the mandated plans will have a government plan that will compete with private insurers. That requires you to believe that the well-funded insurance industry is going to obligingly participate in its own demise. Not gonna happen.

[boston bean]

11. If they don't want to give their money to a private ins. co they have a choice.

they can give it to the gov't plan.

See you can't get around that one can you?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

13. *sigh* I just addressed that in my post.

The.

Insurance.

Industry.

Is.

Not.

Going.

To.

Let.

That.

Happen.

[boston bean]

16. with obama you may be right, he is already scaring people.

Hillary is going to fight for it. It is going to be a tough hard fight and we need to ready for it.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

19. Um, Hillary is involving the insurance lobby in every step of the planning.

So is Obama, to be fair.

Trust me, they LOVE the mandates. The mandates will stay. The competitive government plan will not. That will be for the poor and "uninsurable" only. Mark my words.

[UALRBSofL]

12. You are meaning Universal HealthCare

I agree we do but I doubt I'll see it in my lifetime. :(

[mrreowwr_kittty]

17. Probably. And wish HRC would stop calling her plan universal coverage.

Because it's not. It's mandatory insurance.

[madrchsod]

9. plan will not be the same as the canidates promise

it has to go through the house and senate and that`s going to take at least till 2010 to get to the presidents desk.

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. Hillary's plan IS better. At least we'll have a shot at getting a Universal Health Plan

with a Dem Congress and a Dem President.