Obama's health care plan is more progressive and realistic than Hillary's

[ProSense]

Kaiser: Side-by-side comparison

Hillary is wrong on mandates

Krugman Wrong on Obama and Mandates (link updated)

Analysis




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[joshcryer]

1. For anyone who wants to research these innacurate posts, please follow the links...

...and read my responses. Thanks.

[suston96]

2. It has to be mandated. It will follow the Social Security and Medicare schematics.

Everybody pays in through payroll deductions. That is the fair and equitable way.

Eventually all federal programs will be and must be evaluated to study overlaps and duplication to effect even more savings.

[joshcryer]

5. Yes, I think even Obama's plan goes for mandates later on down the road.

At the cost of the people in the short term, though.

[liberalhistorian]

9. That's fine as long as it's the single-payer model

such as in Canada, France, et al. But it's bullshit if it's mandated just to buy insurance and give the insurance companies, which are THE major problem and which are killing us now, a large seat at the table to profit even more off of our sickness and suffering. But the insurance and pharmaceutical companies have Hillary in their pocket, so that's just not going to happen under her. Hence, no REAL reform, just more of the same except we'll be FORCED to deal with insurance company bullshit.

And her particular mandates do not address their refusal of coverage or their pre-existing condition bullshit or anything like that.

[joshcryer]

10. You're mandated to buy insurance, but you can use the federal insurer.

Not sure what the complaint is. Some companies *might* be able to get cheaper insurance through a private insurer, but it's highly unlikely under a *mandated* system. That'd only be possible in a private system where the sickest and poorest people are uninsured.

[ProSense]

3. That's what links are for! n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

4. It's Romney's Massachusetts plan - except it doesn't cover everyone.

4 links, 3 to debunked DU postings by the OPer.
:rofl:

[joshcryer]

6. My favorite is how the Obama website cites the AEI.

Incredible.

[OzarkDem]

12. Did someone from the AEI help him write it?

Does that mean he would use conservative think tanks to advise his administration if elected? We've had enough of their "solutions", thanks but no thanks.

[UALRBSofL]

Dr. Gupta said millions of folks wouldn't opt in to insurance

So mandating it is a good idea. He was trying to be neutral talking about there plans.

[suston96]

8. That was a good presentation and very informative...and fair. Glad I watched it. nt

[UALRBSofL]

7. Dr. Gupta said millions of folks wouldn't opt in to insurance

So mandating it is a good idea. He was trying to be neutral talking about there plans.

[OzarkDem]

11. Yep

The same plan that is now failing in Mass.

[11 Bravo]

14. That's her MO.

She's the only one who doesn't know how funny it is.

[ProSense]

16. It isn't really! n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. No it's not and you have seen all the info you need about Hillary's plan posted here

and you choose to ignore it and continue lying about Barack's plan.

[democrattotheend]

15. I think the debate on this has been misleading

There are compelling arguments for and against mandates, but for Hillary (and Edwards, before he dropped out) to imply that their plans covered more people is baloney. Covering people would mean PROVIDING them health insurance, not merely mandating it. Mandating health insurance does not guarantee that people will be able to afford it. In Massachusetts, some people are having trouble affording it and to add insult to injury, they are being fined for not having it. Payment of fines does not count toward the cost of health insurance.

The real question is whether all of the plans, with or without mandates, will provide an affordable health insurance option for those who are uninsured. From what I have read of Obama's plan, it does that by allowing people to buy into the same system that members of Congress are in. Clinton's plan also builds on the Congressional system, and is very similar to Obama's, as he said the other night. As I believe Obama has pointed out, Congress will change a lot of the details anyway before anything gets passed, so the minute details of health plans that are very similar is less important to me than a candidate's character, demeanor, campaign style (grassroots v. top-down), courage, life experience, outreach to young voters (who are too often ignored by politicians who assume they won't vote), and ability to inspire. Obama is not perfect, but he wins the majority of those categories in my book, and that is why I plan to vote for him next Tuesday in Virginia (really wish I could vote today).