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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:26 AM Original message |
Hillary, the archetypal "Witch," is enduring the fate of uppity women |
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libertee (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. WoW! that was a great read...scary great...True, too! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Thank you, libertee. Scary and sad. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #1 |
27. So many women hate women who do not "know their place in life" |
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libertee (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
61. Happens to me all the time..live in a senior citizens complex... |
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liberal renegade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
2. and in the meantime |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
3. I couldn't agree more. No matter what she does, they nit pick it. |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
165. Messalina |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #165 |
220. Some people DO have misogyny underlying their very personal dislike |
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misslauren66 (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:18 AM Response to Reply #220 |
304. If you hate phoniness, that does not make you a misogynist |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #304 |
317. I think you regard her as a phony because you can't mentally |
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misslauren66 (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:50 AM Response to Reply #317 |
341. Bzzzzt...sorry, thanks for playing. |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #165 |
306. Not true. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:40 AM Response to Reply #3 |
192. That good old boys club |
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sallyseven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #192 |
242. matthews needs to go into counseling |
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maq-az (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #242 |
340. What does Matthews have |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #192 |
246. And doesn't it make you laugh to hear a guy with HIS voice |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
5. HRC gets the Working Class and Middle Class---=Uppity |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
212. That's what I find interesting-the rich, highly educated, & college kids seem to go for... |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #212 |
328. Yes, of course we do. Besides, to us Hillary Clinton |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #328 |
342. Yes, I agree with you on all points. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
6. Why does it have to be this one or that one? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. It is not all people, it is misogynists who cannot conceive of |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #11 |
31. No, I started disliking her when she and Bill inserted themselves |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. You had valid reasons for being upset with her. |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
73. For example... |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
263. You sound very young to me. |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
7. Forget the war in Iraq, there is a war on women happening right here in America /nt |
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TriMetFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. How right you are. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
38. Sorry, I'm not forgetting the war in Iraq. A lot of women are dying there. nt |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #38 |
75. Yeah, how many of the million dead and 4 million displaced in Iraq are women? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. And how does elevating a privileged woman in this country to Pres. mitigate that? |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. "Forget the war in Iraq, there is a war on women happening right here in America" |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
89. That's exactly what they want us to do. |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. We are on the same page. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #79 |
261. relative injustice? |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
53. And yet... |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
56. Yeah, fuck all those dead, maimed and displaced Iraqis |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. Forget the war in Iraq? |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
181. No. There isn't. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
8. I'm like Oprah...I look forward to the day when I will support a woman for the nomination |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. I understand that it's perfectly possible to disagree with her or support |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Agreed...just wanted to get that perspective in as well |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Thank you, BeyondGeography. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
128. Excellent question. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
9. Deleted message |
Der Blaue Engel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. The freeps? |
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Clinton Crusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
25. wow, how perfectly put! |
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bidenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. why post it, then? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. I'm not talking about the freeps. I'm talking about DUers. n/t |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Ah, so it IS a transparent attempt to intimidate her detractors |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. You're wrong. I am neutral with regard to Hillary and Obama. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
62. Then why not qualify your post? You make it sound like it applies to anyone who doesn't like her |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
98. My post was in the context of all the vicious attacks just yesterday about |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #98 |
213. Thanks for pointing that out again, pnwmom! nt. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #213 |
229. You're welcome, libbygurl. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #98 |
248. Not only those here, but |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
13. Yup |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
14. Oh, please. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Hillary has been the subject of misogynist attacks since Day 1 of her husband's |
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divineorder (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #20 |
208. Hill. Playing the Victim Card Again |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #208 |
232. Yeah, she's arrogant all right. That's another word for uppity, isn't it? |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
15. I just read this to my 9 years old. She said: Wow! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. I am deeply touched. Thanks for telling me this. |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
307. My daughter voted with me on Tuesday also. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
18. And if Obama loses he endures the fate of uppity Blacks? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Where are the racist threads on DU? The Obama-haters whose racism |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #28 |
60. I haven't seen the post that you have saying they hate Hillary because she is a woman. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
99. I am talking about the many posters who deny to Hillary normal human feelings. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
19. what about those who hate her |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. I don't know you or whether you are seeing her clearly. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. Some of that might be about the power of her/their machine |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
21. Yeah that's it |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Here's a reason people don't want Barack for president: |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
65. Yeah right |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #65 |
250. I haven't seen a single post |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. I never said that. People can and do have valid reasons for not supporting her. |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
22. now she is the victim? get off the cross we need the wood. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
43. Oh yes, she was so wrong to use her maiden name or |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. cry me a river |
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earthside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
24. Totally Wrong |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
51. Liddy Dole was "ladylike." She didn't use her maiden name or make |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
33. Wow, her supporters are bringing up "the quintessential victim" defense that has served HRC so well |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. I like Obama just as much, and I liked Edwards, too. This has nothing to do |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
35. This may apply to freepers, but it's pretty rare around here |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. She's not my candidate. I'm neutral. I'll support the nominee. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
39. I'm reminded of Anne Sexton's "Her Kind". |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. I've never read that poem and I love it! Thank you so much, Mondo Joe. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Ah, it's one of my favorites. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #49 |
78. mondo joe has a poem like that at the ready which means mondo joe is |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #78 |
97. Thank you, too, Old Crusoe. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:42 AM Response to Reply #39 |
193. Thanks, mondo joe |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
41. My problem with Hillary Clinton is... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. You may be right. And we can only imagine |
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topaz_eyes (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
104. Amen to that!! |
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MonumentMan (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
44. Hillary |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. The reason I wrote this is because of all the attacks yesterday |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. I forgot to say, |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
46. Her being a witch would be a bonus in my eyes ! |
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topaz_eyes (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #46 |
105. Me, too, Marrah. |
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crawfish (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
58. Admit it...that is just a distraction... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
100. No, it's a REACTION to the misogynistic attacks she faced yesterday |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
59. i agree with you, but i still can't stand her. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
101. The right wing hate is a given. But I was actually responding to DU-hate |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
63. I like witches. But I don't like HRC's policies and plans. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 02:28 AM Response to Reply #63 |
287. "Maybe" others feel that way? |
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Forrest Greene (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
64. Of Course, You're Not A Sexist |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
102. I certainly try not to be. How about you? n/t |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
66. Sounds like another excuse for why she isn't mopping the floor with Obama. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #66 |
110. No, it's a reaction to all the hate displayed here on DU yesterday when she |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
67. First she used her maiden name. Then she changed to a hyphenated name under pressure. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #67 |
103. She never used a hyphen. Apparently you don't have any women friends |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:55 AM Response to Reply #67 |
186. oh please |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
68. K and R |
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BooScout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
69. What saddens me most... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #69 |
127. Yes, me too. We expect this from the freepers, but not here on DU. |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
70. Speaking for my mom, it's not that Hillary used her maiden name ... |
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RedShoesBlueState (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
85. Hmmm. What's Obama's middle name again? |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Re: "who in the world uses the term 'maiden name' any longer? How 19th century" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #90 |
112. I doubt you are a woman, because most married professional women have |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #112 |
143. I'm sorry, but where did I say it was "peculiar" for Hillary to go by ... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:30 AM Response to Reply #143 |
163. As I said, it is very common for married women, although not for men, |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:19 AM Response to Reply #163 |
182. Anyone who's been in the workplace in the last 30 years "understands" it. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #182 |
234. She tried to use her maiden name as a middle name, probably because |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #234 |
243. Hey, I think it's hypercritical, but I'm just passing along what's been related to me. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #243 |
244. Drive safely. Twenty miles in snow doesn't sound fun! |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #244 |
262. Thx. Normally I wouldn't mind, except I've been up all night. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
111. As a woman, I am frequently asked to provide a "maiden name" on forms. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #70 |
109. She and Obama both dropped their middle names for "transient political needs" |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #109 |
148. Really? He "dropped" his middle name for political needs? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:48 AM Response to Reply #148 |
157. Just because he dropped it when he was younger doesn't mean |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:50 AM Response to Reply #157 |
158. The point has wandered far afield, and I fear it shan't return. n/t |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:54 AM Response to Reply #148 |
185. who the fuck broadcasts their middle name? nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #185 |
235. Millions of women do. Open your eyes. n/t |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:53 AM Response to Reply #70 |
184. WTF??? |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #184 |
264. Good question. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
72. I just love women who always find some |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. Should it be the "woman of the moment" |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Absolutely..... |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. I mostly agree with you - 90% |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:38 AM Response to Reply #87 |
164. For what it's worth, I think you are very perceptive. |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #164 |
308. The first step to recovery is admitting that you have a problem |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
74. How fitting that Hillary--the greatest recipient of right-wing slander--will become President. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
77. I'm having some trouble with your If A is true, then B is also true construct. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #77 |
119. The fact that "no one remembers the cookie era much" is part of the problem. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 06:16 AM Response to Reply #119 |
301. Well, media attitudes have changed, haven't they? When I was a wee lad, |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #77 |
209. Old Crusoe, as a fellow Edwards supporter, I think this would be helpful |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 06:07 AM Response to Reply #209 |
300. spooky3, I think Boxer has not run for president because she would |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #300 |
325. I don't think it is the "imperative" of most Obama voters either, Old Crusoe. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #325 |
330. In truth, pnwmom, your OP didn't really make that clear. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #330 |
334. I understand that now. At the time, after all the attacks on her the previous |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #334 |
336. Agree. We can see it down any sidewalk or in any shop in the country, but |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #336 |
337. I haven't thought of her in a long time. Thanks for the reminder. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #209 |
324. Thanks, spooky3, for the thoughtful post. n/t |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
80. great subject line, excellently written n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #80 |
122. Thank you, Cant trust em. n/t |
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RedShoesBlueState (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
83. Freeps don't have a corner on Misogyny |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #83 |
124. You're absolutely right. In fact, I wrote this as a reaction |
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RedShoesBlueState (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #124 |
226. Thanks for the welcome |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
84. Spot. On. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #84 |
245. Thanks, Harvey. n/t |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
86. If there are any Katha Pollitt fans hereabouts besides me who follow her writing, |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
88. Funny, I have a totally different stereotype of her |
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topaz_eyes (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #88 |
107. This is an excellent post. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #88 |
116. No, you have the typical gender based stereotype of her. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Did you reply to the right post? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Read your first paragraph again and you (might) see what I mean. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. "Nothing wrong with all that, except..." |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #121 |
131. The funny thing is, Jed, that the biggest bully I've known personally |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #131 |
134. Well, rich white people aren't known for having much empathy. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #134 |
138. Obama disappointed me, and many other supporters of the GLBT |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. I don't know about the whole McLurkin thing |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #120 |
145. Your rather convenient editing left this tidbit out... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. There is nothing in Hillary's past that justifies your slur. n/t |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #146 |
149. I was referring to the characterization... |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 03:24 AM Response to Reply #145 |
294. Yes, I read his post as being about class, not gender. nt |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #88 |
140. Would You Say She Hasn't Worked Hard For Her Successes? |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. Hard work or not, I've found the empathy to be lacking |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #88 |
144. Excellent post!!**nm |
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TheDonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
91. HR turns HRC turns HC = Calculating |
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RedShoesBlueState (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Interesting choice of words |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #94 |
125. I have had exactly the same thoughts recently about language. |
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topaz_eyes (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #91 |
108. Would you call a man's laugh a cackle? |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:59 AM Response to Reply #108 |
170. My mother's laugh is a bone-chilling cackle. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #170 |
247. I myself could never be President because of my |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:16 AM Response to Reply #108 |
173. Welcome to DU, topaz_eyes! n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #91 |
115. Many many women have gone through a few name permutations. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
93. That may be true for many, but there are also MANY of us who are feminists |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #93 |
117. Of course it doesn't. Lots of feminists support Obama for various reasons. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
95. And the women of Iraq? Are they "uppity" too? n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #95 |
114. Absolutely, I'm sure many of them are -- or would be if they stepped out |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #114 |
152. Clinton voted to bomb the shit out of them and destroy their infrastructure n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #152 |
279. She voted to give Bush the authority to attack Iraq IF Hussein refused |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 02:48 AM Response to Reply #279 |
289. Or stand up for what is right. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 03:05 AM Response to Reply #289 |
290. Standing up for "what is right" would have led to standing by while |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 03:20 AM Response to Reply #290 |
291. There has been a Rethug majority since 1994 |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 03:24 AM Response to Reply #291 |
293. No, not in both houses. But if you had been right, |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 03:52 AM Response to Reply #293 |
295. They should have done so anyway |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 04:02 AM Response to Reply #295 |
296. It would have been utterly vile to attack Iran, |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 04:13 AM Response to Reply #296 |
297. Clinton voted for Kyl/Liebermann |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 05:05 AM Response to Reply #297 |
298. Then you're not listening. She's stated very clearly and repeatedly |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 07:31 AM Response to Reply #298 |
302. Supposedly he wasn't going to attack Iraq either |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #302 |
305. It is possible for people to have honest disagreements, and I think |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #305 |
310. Technically it doesn't. In practice- |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #310 |
311. Bush can't hide behind K/L as he did behind the IWR because Reid, HRC, |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 07:36 AM Response to Reply #114 |
303. "Attacked" as in burned alive, or dying from the destruction of your medical system? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #303 |
314. What do you mean "your" medical system? n/t |
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LadyVT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
96. I'm for Witch HIllary!!!!!!! |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
106. It won't be easy to forgive the left's attacks on Hillary |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #106 |
113. There's a lot of bitterness, I agree. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
123. I just don't like the way she plays politics sometimes. |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #123 |
265. I find it amusing |
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DiamondJay (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
126. its the media |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. And, if you're really that kind of guy, a woman like her would probably |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
130. It's just too sad.... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
132. Nonsense and horsecrap. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:02 AM Response to Reply #132 |
171. Are you kidding? Eleanor Roosevelt was despised by many, in much the |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
133. I'm thinking of giving Hilliary my vote. My mother is outraged over |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #133 |
266. You won't get objective analysis |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
135. Great post. Thanks! |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #135 |
219. I think many women themselves have internalised the misogyny as okay, too... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
136. I am disappointed with this post. I would gladly support Sen Clinton if she was more progressive. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:25 AM Response to Reply #136 |
161. This isn't about people who rationally disagree with her positions. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #161 |
214. Ok, I didn't understand that from the post. My mistake. And yes I see all kinds of hate spewing in |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #214 |
238. Thank you, rhett o rick. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #238 |
275. The caucus system is very un democratic both big D and little d. |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
137. You're wrong if you think that's why |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:12 AM Response to Reply #137 |
172. Some of us have good reasons for supporting other candidates. |
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porkrind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
142. oh please. SHE VOTED FOR THE WAR ! |
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stillrockin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
147. This is a load of misleading crap. She VOTED FOR THE WAR! |
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BrightKnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #147 |
155. "Bush disowns Clinton peace proposals for Middle East" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:46 AM Response to Reply #147 |
166. The OP has nothing to do with the war, or with people |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
150. Surely there's some irrational hatred out there for Hillary because she's female... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #150 |
160. You're right, it isn't pervasive in the Democratic electorate. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #160 |
210. I chalk it up to the effect that those who have the strongest feelings (including negative ones)... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #210 |
251. I hope you're right. But I've been afraid of the thousand others |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:15 AM Response to Original message |
151. K&R |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
153. Because people don't want her to be president? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:53 AM Response to Reply #153 |
159. No, many people resented her from her first days as First Lady. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #159 |
276. Agreed about the excess of negativity here, on both sides. |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
154. There is mysogny by right wingers but I rarely see any on our side. Not against her gender at all. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:46 AM Response to Reply #154 |
156. It's common on DU. |
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FirstLight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:29 AM Response to Original message |
162. I understand the reference to witchhunting |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:56 AM Response to Reply #162 |
168. Welcome to DU, Journalgrrl! |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:42 AM Response to Reply #162 |
194. Welcome to you, Journalgrrl! |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:53 AM Response to Original message |
167. I definitely think misogyny plays a role in some of the unfair/superficial slams against her |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #167 |
282. El Pinko, you sum up my feelings very well. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:57 AM Response to Original message |
169. What? winning Super Tuesday? |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:19 AM Response to Reply #169 |
174. And it's posts/attitudes like these that brought women to the polls |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:39 AM Response to Reply #174 |
176. I just defended her rights... perhaps you didn't understand |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:43 AM Response to Reply #176 |
178. Your "defense" was offensive to me. Patronizing - I don't take well to it. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:47 AM Response to Reply #178 |
180. Offended? So what. Patronizing? Double so what. |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:24 AM Response to Reply #176 |
188. Adamantly disagree. Strong people cry without apology, any time they feel like it. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #188 |
203. That's just dumb |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #203 |
205. Deleted message |
libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #205 |
211. Amen. Just forget these sociopathic comments. nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #203 |
258. You haven't cried at anyone's death, but you have laughed. |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #258 |
268. Careful... |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #268 |
271. It's entirely appropriate to tell stories and laugh |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #271 |
277. Crying is also allowed at a wake. The no-crying rule doesn't exist |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #277 |
278. Course it does |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #278 |
281. Crying at a wake is "in bad taste and it makes one appear weak." |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #176 |
224. Have you ever actually seen her cry in public? NO. Because she hasn't. |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #176 |
267. Crying is a normal expression |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #267 |
272. no... crying in public if you're world leader is a sign of weakness (nt) |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:36 AM Response to Reply #174 |
190. Agreed. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:38 AM Response to Reply #190 |
191. So you think Putin would respect that? |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:53 AM Response to Reply #191 |
199. I don't much give a shit who would "respect that." |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:20 AM Response to Reply #199 |
202. You're not a psychopath, are you? Because most world leaders are |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #202 |
204. I'm sorry, but that's absurd. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #204 |
254. So now we are reduced to arguing that HRC shouldn't have to be a psychopath! |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #254 |
256. It's bizarre, isn't it? |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #256 |
274. I am NOT encouraging sociopathy in our presidential candidates |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #204 |
269. I'm not saying a president should be, but that they have to deal with them (nt) |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #202 |
253. What a laugh. No, acting like another psychopath will NOT help you |
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FirstLight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #199 |
216. BRAVO! the entire paradigm of what is "strong" |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #216 |
241. And a perfectly accurate .02 to boot. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #191 |
252. Why? Nobody expected Bill to be cold and hard. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #252 |
270. Are we talking about the same Bill Clinton? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #270 |
283. The Paula Jones story was a pile of garbage. n/t |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 05:49 AM Response to Reply #283 |
299. No it wasn't |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #299 |
313. You were in the room with them right? So you know it was true. n /t |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #313 |
319. Of course he dropped trou... it's one of the reasons why everyone loves the big dog |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #319 |
322. Speak for yourself. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #169 |
223. I think your post was the dumb one. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #223 |
273. I think you should work on your reading comprehension |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #273 |
284. "Crying really is gross." You really are hung up on this crying issue. |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:25 AM Response to Original message |
175. No, she is just another right-wing politician who happens to be female |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:41 AM Response to Original message |
177. The problem isn't witches or warlocks-- |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:46 AM Response to Reply #177 |
179. I wish I could say all offensive statements came from trolls - but some bona fide |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:51 AM Response to Reply #179 |
198. Precisely. Even on so-called 'progressive' sites like DU, blatantly sexist comments get a pass... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #177 |
225. I don't think so. I think misogyny exists even among progressives. |
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Ino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:27 AM Response to Original message |
183. There's only one thing as bad... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #183 |
257. This isn't about voting for or against her. |
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rucognizant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
187. But then there is this............ |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 02:22 AM Response to Reply #187 |
286. I know that many people have good reasons to disagree with Clinton |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
189. Or it could simply mean that a lot of people simply don't like Hillary based on her positions |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #189 |
327. I'm slamming every DUer who has ever ridiculed her for her CACKLE -- |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
195. ( GO DONATE TO HILLARY'S CAMPAIGN! ) And some women are their own worst enemies. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
196. HRC.... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #196 |
255. This isn't about HRC personally as much as it is about the persistence of misogyny. |
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midnight armadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
197. yadda yadda yadda |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #197 |
259. So? I don't have a problem with people who criticize her based on the issues. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
200. I highly recommend Tavris' book "The Mismeasure of Woman." Seriously! |
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DWilliamsamh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
201. This is a ridiculous post filled with Straw men. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #201 |
227. Where did I say that a "majority" of DUers behave in this way? |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
206. Self loathing Republican Roger Stone |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #206 |
260. That is so disgusting I thought it had to be a joke. But it's not, is it? |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
207. Oh, PULLEEZ! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #207 |
228. I see. This isn't about gender, you say, but HRC's ambition is ego-maniacal. |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #228 |
230. So was Bill's. But at least he did most of what he acheived himself. nt. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #230 |
240. I rest my case. n/t |
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kiteinthewind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
215. k & r nt |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
217. It's a bit emotive using the 'w' word never to my knowledge seen that word used on here. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #217 |
221. No, the Hillary-haters prefer the B* word, but that's usually |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #217 |
233. It would be a step up in my book! (from the things I've seen) |
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Mozcram (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
218. Great Observations.... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #218 |
222. Thank you, Mozcram. And welcome to DU! |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #218 |
237. Welcome to DU! |
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skooooo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
231. brother |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #231 |
249. That's what hyperbole is for: to make a point. |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
236. And everyone who opposes Obama is racist too, right? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #236 |
239. No, and the majority of people who dislike HRC aren't sexist. |
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AnnieBW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
280. Does Hillary Float? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #280 |
285. I'm afraid she does. |
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Wombatzu (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
288. what color is the sky in your world? (nm) |
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #288 |
335. New Shooter! New Shooter, Coming Out! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #288 |
339. This time of year? Gray. How about yours? n/t |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 03:21 AM Response to Original message |
292. I always empathized with Hillary when she was picked on for being an uppity woman. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #292 |
321. Welcome to DU, Herdin_Cats! |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
309. this whole misogyny thing is absurd |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #309 |
315. So you think it's fair for other Dems to ridicule her in sexist terms |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #315 |
318. I must not see the same threads you do |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #318 |
320. What about all the posts raking her over the coals her just a few days ago |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #320 |
323. don't know anything about any of those |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #323 |
326. Maybe you misunderstood the basis for those posts, just as you |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #326 |
332. meh. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #332 |
333. I didn't say there was a "widespread" or ANY kind of conspiracy. |
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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
312. And the Black man has had it so easy |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #312 |
316. Where do you see other DUers ridiculing Obama in racist terms, |
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Leo 9 (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
329. If only she were a good witch. You know, one with some charisma and likability. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #329 |
331. But then she wouldn't need flying monkeys flogging fairy tales. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #329 |
338. I think she is just as likable as her competitor. (He seemed a bit full of himself |
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