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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:30 PM Original message |
Non-partisan group finds huge media bias against Senator Clinton. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's clear who the Establishment candidate is. |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. ".....he IS the status quo wrapped up in a shiny package." |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. And Obama doesn't have any corporate money? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
73. That myth (lie)--has been posted so many times that if I had a nickel of every time I would be rich! |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. and Obama gets $227,000 from Exelon Nuclear CORPORATION because he's just a nice guy, right? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. HOLY SHIT! Exelon? That's the same guy connected to AEI and the "health care" facts on his site! |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
48. YUP! EXELON! |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
79. Obama lied to voters... On the take from Nuclear Industry... (NY T imes) |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
99. Obama's deep ties to conservatives |
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bellasgrams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
56. People love to say that about Clinton, but actually BO's record |
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bellasgrams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
57. People love to say that about Clinton, but actually BO's record |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
82. Hedging one's bets |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Obama himself would agree that he is not revolutionary |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I have seen the word "revolutionary" too many time to not think it is coming from the campaign. |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. Here's where I picked this up. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. to suggest your DLC candidate is NOT the status quo is ludicrous. WHO was it that tried to get Dean |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Hillary will work for change. Obama is just as much part of the status quo as she is. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Oh,she'll work for change like scrapping the 50State Strategy. She's not interested in Open Govt. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. The 50 state strategy is a disaster. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
62. 2006 disagrees. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. I sincerely hope you are kidding. All things considered, our gains were VERY modest |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. And were far, far better than anyone expected when Dean took the chair. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
96. You HAVE to be kidding |
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MyNameGoesHere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
61. Really they didn't. Oh that reminds me |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. You mean the DLC co-chair who's accepted more lobbyist money than literally any other candidate? |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. That doesn't seem to get in the way of your worshipping Kerry. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Kerry is not DLC, never took PAC money n/t |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Fact check: Kerry is DLC. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. And it looks like he took PAC money too..... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #34 |
51. Those are other politician's PAC's |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Why don't you look it up... he certainly is and writes an article in their magazine |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. wow, here's a link to the magazine |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I'm not attacking him. I love the DLC - just pointing out that DLC members |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Show me the articles |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. I said "just about every month" |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. One article in 2002?? |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. You are an absolute idiot. If you google you will find dozens of articles and that he is a member. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Didn't vote for him in the primary. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. It's a little ironic that a DLC corporate money whore supports Obama .. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. ... |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. I am suggesting that the Democratic Establishment supports Obama. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. Some of it does. More of it supports Clinton. Clinton leads Obama in |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. I've been saying this since Bill Clinton left office. He was despised |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Yes, Bill was the insurgent candidate against the establishment. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. Which "elites?" She's wrapped up the most party insiders, and the most lobbyist funding. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
54. YES indeed! They HATED the Clintons because they were NOT Washington INSIDERS. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. They seem to have since gotten over it. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. You are either a trickster or ill informed. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Who has picked up more superdelegates? Who has more insider endorsements? Who has more lobbyist |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. From what I read here yesterday, Super delegates are pretty much up for grabs. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Be that as it may, more SDs have thrown in with her than with Obama--and they're |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. But they haven't voted yet...have they? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Are you proposing they're bluffing? |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. I'm saying that if their votes are needed to decide this thing, they |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #63 |
75. I don't think so. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. She has more superdelegates and more endorsements than Obama does. Before TK, she |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. See post #81. n/t |
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libertee (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. The Establishment candidate is McCain!!! thus, watch if it's Obama..I don't want to even mention the |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
2. wow there's a shocker |
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bellasgrams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
69. They're beating up on Clinton because they want Obama to |
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russian33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. that title could pretty much sum up the last 17 years |
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Rock_Garden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
6. Thanks, Rodeodance. Good reading. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. They''ll be saying the same thing about Obama's coverage in the general election |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. If he secures the nomination, maybe even before that - as soon as "bad Hillary" |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
9. not surprised to see this. The modern news media cut it's teeth on the Clinton's hard asses |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
10. I thought her greatest strength was that she could control the national debate. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
36. And which fantasy person said that? (eom) |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. You must be new to the electability debate. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
59. You sound very dismissive. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
87. You do conjure up some good ones!!-- |
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Pavlovs DiOgie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
13. This is no suprise |
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back2basics909 (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
16. Not a "Non-partisan group", at all... |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. why are conservatives so concerned about Hillary getting bad coverage? |
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back2basics909 (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Espessially this group... |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
65. If we don't know about them... |
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Bad Thoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #27 |
95. Destroy aura of critical thinking |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
43. Good link, thanks. Joke site really, could've been able to tell by looking at it. |
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back2basics909 (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Yeah people need to watch their sources [nt] |
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Alamom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
18. I believe this is the report Dan Abrams brought up last night. He's |
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back2basics909 (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. These are the same people who attacked PBS.. |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. Dan Abrams |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
44. did he really mention KO's Obama fest? It's predictable, He does take sides. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
26. It's because she has run the worst Dem campaign |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
38. Jives in with that earlier harvard study I posted - pre New Hampshire I guess |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
40. It couldn't actually be because Obama is running a tighter, smarter |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
42. this comes as no suprise to me. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I'll bet ya most of Edwards' supporters see it, too. (nt) |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. well the media was terrible with edwards. most people didnt even know he was running |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
89. yes, they were terrible. |
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Beausoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
50. We've known this all along. She still comes out a winner. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
58. Every time |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
72. Would that be the same media that propped up the Chimp for 7 years? /eom |
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Sulawesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
77. Maybe there is more negative news on her because.... |
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faithfulcitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
80. Probably true, and another reason not to vote for her, imo. nt |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
85. The press loved her for the last 2 years. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. ALL negative coverage. Have you seen Media Matter's take on the Hillary coverage? |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Wow, you've been working hard the last 2 days. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. :) I recognized you. :) Did you go to the site? It's a real eye opener. |
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demokatgurrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
91. NO!!!! Really? Bashing? I don't believe it. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
97. It's been there for about 16 years, IIRC |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
100. In other news today: Sky up, water wet. |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
101. It's sad to see so many Democrats who hate the Clintons, largely because they were told to do so. |
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