Swooning Obama supporters unable to name a single accomplishment

[KennedyGuy]

video at link...
yeah, I know..Taylor Marsh..but the Obama folks seem to love those frank Luntz focus groups, so here we go...
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26949

"It doesn't get more brutal than this.

When asked to name one accomplishment of Barack Obama, supporters ready to vote for him sat in stunned silence, mute, unable to come up with anything. It says it all.

But some will remain in their word hope swoon. Eugene Robinson comes to mind. He proves the statistic Dan Abrams offered last night on his show, which illustrated that 75% of Bill Clinton's press coverage has been negative. Mr. Robinson adds to it today, once again proving that he's another traditional media man who's not only obsessed with Bill, but has the deep imbedded Hillary hatred we're likely to see on news outlets later today.


... .. Democrats are generally amenable to Bill Clinton's return, as they were four months ago. Republicans, unsurprisingly, are increasingly opposed. But the most significant change of opinion since October came among independents, whose view has flipped from positive to negative -- a finding that all but screams to the eventual Republican nominee: "Push this button. Hard." ... ..

The Baggage Hillary Bears


Clinton's no doubt got bagged. It's the media. It's people like Robinson, as well as Margaret Carlson, who don't want the Clinton's back in Washington. Like many other pundits, they write their columns then go on news shows in the guise of offering "unbiased" analysis, then regurgitate swill and drivel against all things Hillary that even Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" is presenting. At least Dan Abrams calls out his guests and asks if they're backing a candidate. Olbermann never does, something that is clearly wrong, if not unethical. It's not hatred. It's down right dishonesty, duplicity, bending the audience's trust. On the Olbermann score, this gives me no pleasure to say. But this primary cycle, we've been insulted by pundit after pundit tilting towards Obama, if not in his camp outright, but who preen and posture as an unbiased talking head on cable shows across the spectrum. Carville and Begala got yanked for being in Clinton's camp, but at least everyone was aware of it. Not so with Obama's talking army that flies under the radar. That's Clinton's real baggage, the media duplicity and deceit, which is far more damaging than Bill could ever be. We're likely to be treated to it again if the delegate count is close tonight, which it well may be. Obama will get praise, while no matter what Clinton does her efforts will be downplayed, likely even in favor of Obama. That would be fine if the pundits doing the talking were declared and everyone knew that they are pushing Obama. But that won't happen and there will be no one for Clinton on any panel in sight. You know the drill. It's likely Mr. Robinson will be there to chime in.

I'd like to ask Robinson to name one accomplishment of Barack Obama's. That would be must-see tv".

[jlake]

1. K&R To expose the Cult or personality.

[cali]

18. Actually, as I wrote this morning, Clinton's campaign is the real cult

of personality. All built around the Clinton myth. It's clear that most of her supporters support her because she's a woman, and they feel it's time for a female president.

[jlake]

20. I don't think so. Clinton supporters know the issues and what Hillary has accomplished.

Obama is a "Rock Star" who inspires a cult like following of worshippers who apologize for everything he does wrong and insist that he is perfect.

[cali]

32. bwahahaha

I've never seen so much adoration for anyone as for St. Hilly. Or so much bullshit justification of everything she's done- including the IWR and her vote for bankruptcy reform.

[ClericJohnPreston]

128. PROJECTION CALI?

But of course. There is no greater cult than that for Obama.Bar none.

[jackson_dem]

84. Hillary supporters can admit it when Hillary is wrong

Obamites think St. Obama has never been wrong. They refuse to acknowledge the existence of St. Obama's record.

[rodeodance]

45. yeah--I had a good laugh over that post.

[mutant80]

80. Even worse, they don't know about his F*K UPS like

bragging in Iowa that he passed legislation that didn't pass
or his inability to get a bill through protecting his district
against leakage from a nuclear power plant.
He got hundreds of thousands of dollars from the nuke
people, and when he finished, the bill protected THEM, not
his district.

[leftynyc]

54. MOST of her supporters???

That's bullshit. Clinton myth??? C'mon, you can do better than that.

[cali]

67. it's awfully amusing watching you all

get bent out of shape. Goose meet gander.

[leftynyc]

87. Don't flatter yourself cupcake

Amazing how you used to be a reasonable person until you came out for Obama. Sad really. If you think that sounds "bent out of shape" you really need to get out more.

[cali]

92. I'm still reasonable, kumquat, but

I'll mock those who pull stupid shit. And the cultist thing is as stupid as the Hillary is just riding bill's coattail thing- I mock both, pumpkinpie.

[leftynyc]

98. I defy you to find one post

where I called anybody a cultist. I'll wait.

[BlackVelvet04]

62. that's thin.....real thin.......

nice try. Obama supporters just like the way he talks.

[nonconformist]

96. That's unadulterated bullshit.

I've not met a single Clinton supporter that fawns over her. I can criticize several things about her, and I have right here on DU. She's not perfect... and she's not even my ideal candidate. But she's a better one than Obama, which is why I threw my support to her when Edwards bowed out.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

120. its time to ditch the DLC

Hillary is a member of the DLC, Democratic Leadership Council that abandoned real
democratic views, turned the democratic party into republican-lite.

The DLC is FOR the Iraq War - solidly.

That is why Hillary can't say it was wrong to vote for it.

The DLC is anti-populist - also not democratic.

[Donnachaidh]

139. you mean the *Audacity of HYPE*?

:rofl:

[Teaser]

2. I'll vote for whoever shuts both of you up

I can't stand either camp right now.

[KennedyGuy]

3. aren't you precious....

we'll put you in the swwoning camp

[Teaser]

22. yeah, I'm definitely "swwoning"

whatever the hell that is.

If "swwoning" means that I can't stand the way the Obamaniacs and Clintonites have shit all over this board for weeks now, sign me up.

It's one petty charge after another.

[grace0418]

44. Wanna know what's going to shut Obama and Clinton fanatics real fast? When we lose the election

because Dems are so busy tearing each other down that every independent and moderate gets fed up and either doesn't vote or votes for McCain. I can't believe the time and energy people spend tearing down candidates in their own damn party. It's sickening.

[NoSheep]

82. Best post ever during the primary!

I swear! One night, I just kept asking this one person to go to bed. First person on DU I ever put on ignore. It's pretty wild around here.:spray:

[SoFlaJet]

4. Well let's list HRC's

voted FOR the original IWR
voted FOR The Kyl LIEberman amendment
anyone else care to add on?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. She voted for the bankruptcy bill.

She's very pro-active!

:rofl:

[jackson_dem]

86. And Obama voted against capping interest rates at 30% in the 2005 bankruptcy bill

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

93. I am too.

30% is way too high.

[jackson_dem]

94. Now there is no limit. 30% beats 31%, 51%, or 99%

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

95. And a 30% federal limit would have superceded lower state limits.

Obama supports the credit card bill of rights. Does Clinton?

[waiting for hope]

10. You know, just can't help it ...

wasn't in the senate so who the hell knows how he would have voted, but did vote to fund it a few times
didn't even show up to vote NO to the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, so again, so who the hell knows how he would have voted.

You people can jib jab back and forth all day and all you have accomplished is nothing.

[CyberPieHole]

12. Obama's accomplishments:

smoked pot and got away with it

snorted cocaine and got away with it (though rumor hazit that he might have had some problem in that area)

failed to get his lazy ass to vote on Kyl/Lieberman

smokes cigarettes in secret

worked for Syrian Slum~lord Rezko...

voted "present" when he didn't know which way the wind was blowing



I'll try to add more later.:hi:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. Wanna work 9-11 in there somewhere?

Maybe Hitler or Stalin too?

[CyberPieHole]

16. 9-11?

:shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. And let's not forget how long he's been beating his wife.

And all that gang banging.

[sniffa]

25. And the crack cocaine dealing

And I hear he even used to cut his rocks with aspirin, that mother fucker. :grr:

[cali]

29. Hillypoo:

voted for war
Travelgate
voted for K/L
wronged wifypoo sticking by her adulterous fuck anything hubby (Flowers)
wonged wifypoo sticking by her adulterous getting blowjobs in the oval office hubby (Lewinski)
lied about her Iraq vote
involved in selling the Lincoln bedroom to big donors
had to give back a stunning $850,000 in campaign contributions from her felon friend Norman Hsu
Peter Paul lawsuit

Two can play at this nasty little game, hole.

[berni_mccoy]

35. Hey cali, remind me to *never* get on your bad side :-P

:evilgrin: :toast: :spank: :hug:

[cali]

41. if someone's gonna pull that stuff they should be prepared

to get it shoved right back in their PIEHOLE.

(though I want to make clear I really don't buy into the bullshit I posted- at least not most of it)

:toast:

[ClericJohnPreston]

140. Talk about IRONY

Cali's sig line:"the best lack all conviction, while the worst are filled with passionate intensity"

Bwahahahahaahhahhahashahahaha

[Jed Dilligan]

42. You forgot to mention that Hsu is Chinese

I mean, since CPH likes to bring the ethnicity of evil donors into this

[Critters2]

63. Rezko. nt

[cd3dem]

103. voted "present"

[bigtree]

137. travelgate??

*smurf*

[Jed Dilligan]

39. Nice little race card snuck in there

"Syrian Slum~lord"

It's perfect, right down to the Freepish Typo~Graphy.

[CyberPieHole]

109. "Syrian Slum~lord" is a race?

Only to morons and freepers.

[Jed Dilligan]

110. Syrian is a Semitic ethnicity,

slumlord is a long-established anti-Semitic slur.

[CyberPieHole]

114. Since when is "Slumlord" a "long established anti~Semitic slur"?

I don't see anything in Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slumlord

And you mentioned "race card". What "race" are you squawking about?

[Jed Dilligan]

115. There is absolutely no reason other than race-baiting (Arab-hating)

for you to have mentioned Rezko's ethnicity. Huff and puff all you want. You put that in there to stir up people's fears and worst instincts. Just like Hillary did when she opened up the issue.

As for the anti-Semitic history of the word, google jewish+slumlord+ghetto and see what kind of sites pop up.

[CyberPieHole]

121. OHhh, please...what a bunch of FAKE outrage...

You wrote "race card" now you call it "(Arab~hating)"...pick a finger. Rezko is Syrian. YOU seem to have a problem with his ethnic background. Not me. And when I googled the ridiculous combination of words you suggested, I find some anti~Jewish website that has all sorts of disgusting things to say against Jews. Now I know why you want people to go that site: You have a thing against Jews. Syrian born Rezko is, I believe, Xtian (yes, they have Xtians there too) and not Jewish.

[Jed Dilligan]

122. I am of Jewish background and my girlfriend is Arab

We share a Semitic identity in common and see the parallels between today's anti-Arab hysteria and the anti-Semitism of yesteryear. In fact, this is a frequent topic of discussion among all of my Arab friends.

Religion has nothing to do with it. Jew or Arab, Christian or Muslim, White racists see the Semitic person as a swarthy rug-merchant, an unscrupulous and untrustworthy character edging in on businesses that are "rightfully" theirs. More germane to this "discussion," the White power structure has historically played Black vs. Semite in his eternal quest to divide and conquer the "inferior" races. Your candidate bringing "slumlord" into the MLK day debate was yet another example of this.

[CyberPieHole]

124. I'm a Sephardic Jew and I could never vote for Obama because of his support of Jeremiah Wright...

Obama's mentor praised Louis Farrakhan a "man" who has called Judaism a "gutter religion". Obama prayed with Jeremiah Wright before he decided to run for the Presidency; will he be praying with him and Farrakhan if he becomes President? I don't trust Obama any more than I trust Farrakhan. They are both dangerous.

[Jed Dilligan]

125. I'm sorry--I'm just not afraid of the NOI

or Muslims in general. Might have something to do with the fact that I am an atheist and support Palestinian statehood.

If there is any kind of race war in America, Farrakhan, you, me, and my girlfriend will be among the first to be targeted. I fear the Anglo-Saxon Christian more than any other race/religion, because they actually control the money and the guns the way they say Jews do.

[CalebHayes]

66. I wonder why people refer to Hillary as "The Bitch?"

[BlackVelvet04]

78. because they are sexist assholes n/t

[cd3dem]

102. here's his list

[cottonseed]

31. She beat Perino in a tough NY Senate matchup n/t

[sniffa]

50. HA!

:rofl:

[Radical Activist]

36. Forgot about healthcare for 14 years.

[BlackVelvet04]

68. yes, let's DO list her accomplishments.....

to mention a few:

Her first cause was children, fighting abuse, and chairing the Children's Defense Fund.

# During 1974 she was a member of the Nixon impeachment inquiry staff in Washington D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal. She helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment.

# Hillary co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977.

# In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation.

# Bill Clinton appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

# One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place.

# She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

# in 1997 she helped establish the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) and the Adoption and Safe Families Act.

# As a Senator and after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild.

# She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.

# She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

# She has visited troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in countless other locations, truly understanding the challenges facing our troops.

# Hillary passed legislation to track the health status of our troops so that conditions like Gulf War Syndrome would no longer be misdiagnosed.

# She is an original sponsor of legislation that expanded health benefits to members of the National Guard and Reserves and has been a strong critic of the Administration's handling of Iraq.

# She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

# She has supported a variety of middle-class tax cuts, including marriage penalty relief, property tax relief, and reduction in the Alternative Minimum Tax, and supports fiscally responsible pay-as-you-go budget rules.

# She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.

# She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.

# She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.

# She has lead the fight for the expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.

# Clinton has successfully worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act.

# She has also proposed expanding access to child care.

# She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.

# Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning.

# She fought with the Bush Administration and ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.

# She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

I could go on but why make you look more of an ass than you already do.

[hedgehog]

5. Getting young people interested in politics isn't an accomplishment?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

11. No.

[flyarm]

15. no not if they are not educated and just out right arrogantly ignorant! eom

[BlackVelvet04]

70. Depends on how you look at it....

interested doesn't mean informed and obviously many of them aren't informed.

[cd3dem]

104. it's another thing to educate them

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. Beating Clinton is an accomplishment.

[propol]

9. plus doubling Democratic turnouts so far...

n/t

[Bill McBlueState]

8. not a problem

If a candidate only sought the support of people who follow politics, he or she wouldn't do very well.

[sniffa]

53. How true

:thumbsup:

[flyarm]

13. slap me silly ..why am i not surprised??..i am not in the least after

seeing them explain his Health plan...left my in tears of laughter and fear that they can vote!

fly

[BlackVelvet04]

71. Have you recovered from last night? I thought my brain

would explode.

[NJSecularist]

19. What are Hillary's accomplishments?

Other than marrying her husband, of course.

[SoFlaJet]

27. Let's not forget NJS

how good she is at throwing her senate colleagues under the bus for botching a joke's punch line-VERY talented...oh yea she's good at faking tears to gain political favor among menopausal women everywhere-especially in New Hampshire

[alstephenson]

64. Chris??? Is that you, Chris???

Or are you just "channeling" Chris Matthews? Sheesh. Pathetic and desperate.

[BlackVelvet04]

72. See post 68. n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

75. Here's a couple of them......

Her first cause was children, fighting abuse, and chairing the Children's Defense Fund.

# During 1974 she was a member of the Nixon impeachment inquiry staff in Washington D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal. She helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment.

# Hillary co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977.

# In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation.

# Bill Clinton appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

# One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place.

# She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

# in 1997 she helped establish the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) and the Adoption and Safe Families Act.

# As a Senator and after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild.

# She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.

# She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

# She has visited troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in countless other locations, truly understanding the challenges facing our troops.

# Hillary passed legislation to track the health status of our troops so that conditions like Gulf War Syndrome would no longer be misdiagnosed.

# She is an original sponsor of legislation that expanded health benefits to members of the National Guard and Reserves and has been a strong critic of the Administration's handling of Iraq.

# She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

# She has supported a variety of middle-class tax cuts, including marriage penalty relief, property tax relief, and reduction in the Alternative Minimum Tax, and supports fiscally responsible pay-as-you-go budget rules.

# She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.

# She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.

# She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.

# She has lead the fight for the expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.

# Clinton has successfully worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act.

# She has also proposed expanding access to child care.

# She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.

# Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning.

# She fought with the Bush Administration and ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.

# She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

[Botany]

21. Here you go

Columbia University undergrad (honors)
Harvard Law School grad (honors)
Editor Harvard Law Review
Lived abroad as a child 6-10 in Indonesia
Community Work in Chicago
University Instructor in Constitutional Law
He has written two bestselling books
Illinois State Senate 1996 - 2004
U.S. Senate 2004 -
Civil Rights Lawyer
Early opponent of the Iraq War


******************

Happy now?

[BlackVelvet04]

74. Living abroad is an accomplishment?

Opposing something he didn't have to vote on and then turning around and funding it isn't an accomplishment....it's hot air.

[Botany]

107. Living abroad gives you something very important .....

.... it is called perspective. And that is a very nice tool to have especially in dealing
with a complex world.


Obama was on the record as opposing Iraq from the get go and saying
that his votes for funding after that negates his actions does not hold water.


<On March 17, 2003, the day Bush issued his 48-hour ultimatum to Saddam Hussein to leave Iraq before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Obama addressed the largest Chicago anti-Iraq War rally to date in Daley Plaza and told the crowd "It's not too late" to stop the war, though many demonstrators conceded that war appeared inevitable.>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

[Stand and Fight]

111. Perspective my ass...

He was a kid for the love of Christ! You don't have very much perspective at that age, and very little of it carries over into adulthood. Now if he had been a teen, then that would be something to talk about... However, he was a kid who did not go there by choice. Accomplishments occur by choice -- not by route or default. :eyes:

[Botany]

113. The vast majority of what we learn is a child.

Reading, writing, math, spacial concepts, linguist skills, and much more.

And all those "skills" can help your perspective as an adult. And as an adult
Sen. Obama has had many accomplishments that would help in being POTUS.

[Stand and Fight]

136. Hogwash...

The vast majority of my experiences that have truly prepared me for life were as a teenager and as a young adult.

[Lorien]

138. What bills has he sponsored? What causes has he championed?

I'm a fan of neither candidate, so I'd like to find a reason to vote for either of them (other than "they aren't as bad as the other guy").

[calmblueocean]

23. Too bad they didn't ask me.

The fact that he was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review made me take note.

The fact that he fought to make Illinois police record all interrogations and confessions is what really impressed me, though. Read through this article if you want to see why: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html

And then there's the landmark ethics reform he was able to achieve in Illinois. And of course, the Coburn-Obama Transparency Act that he was able to pass in the United States Senate that was responsible for putting all government spending up in an online database ( http://www.usaspending.gov/ )so that citizens and watchdog groups can start holding the government more accountable.

And, of course, he spoke out against the war in Iraq in 2002.

Which reminds me of Senator Clinton's greatest accomplishment...

*cough*

[BlackVelvet04]

79. He managed to buy a house he couldn't really afford because

of Rezko, that's quite an accomplishment.

[SOS]

112. Like how Terry McAuliffe bought the Clinton mansion for them?

The Westchester home the Clinton's couldn't afford?
I'll bet the legitimate investors in Global Crossing were delighted to be ripped off by McAuliffe so he could buy a mansion for the Clinton's.

[zulchzulu]

24. They could name one accomplishment pretty easily

They learned not to trust the Clintons.

:rofl:

[soundguy]

26. Sums Up My Opinion Nicely

I know I am new here, but the sanity of the Edwards supporters helped me decide to register. But I am yet to read any posts that actually have spoken of the experience or accomplishments of Obama. It sums up how clueless these people are. I came here supporting Hillary and will go down on that ship as I can see the handwriting on the wall.

When ever a candidates supporters are so clueless (or are they down right reckless? I am not sure), that they have to resort to grade school bullying name calling, banning, ignoring. You know you are in trouble.

If you can not see the imminent death of our republic you are probably supporting Obama. Well unless that is your true motivation.

[sniffa]

28. Welcome to DU

And bye. :hi:

[oasis]

30. The poor dears are still mesmerized by Obama's 2004 Dem convention speech.

:dunce::applause::dunce::applause::dunce:

[snappyturtle]

49. Yep, I'm one of the "poor dears" and I put that speech right up

there with Gore's speech of Jan. 16, 2006 to the DAR at Constitutional Hall! I have lived sixty years watching presidential candidates' promises go by the wayside once in office. It's an extreme pleasure to me to hear Sen. Obama speak with a passion about our Republic as did the Founding Fathers. Crucify me for that over listening to convoluted details of issues that most likely will not happen as candidates have laid out. Speeches I've cited are few and far between and are highly regarded because they are much more than political talking points. IMHO

[oasis]

85. I can't argue about what floats your boat, but "passion" has never paid my grocery bill. (eom)

[snappyturtle]

123. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I wouldn't even have the desire

to work if I didn't have hope that in doing so my life would get better.

[jenmito]

33. It doesn't matter. As long as he inspires them, gives them hope for a better tomorrow, that's all

some people need or want.

[snappyturtle]

55. Isn't that why we all vote; to bring about a better tommorrow? n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

81. You can't just HOPE it will be better. n/t

[snappyturtle]

126. There are ideals behind the "hope" that I think will bring positive

change.

[Clintonista2]

34. Kool Aid man for Obama!

[sniffa]

51. *snort*

[oasis]

88. They'll need a lot more Kool Aid to wash down all the snake oil Obama's been selling. (eom)

[blues90]

37. If the mass cult of Obama supporters knew what they were

voting for rather than just get out there and vote because of the hype and hysteria then it would be a good thing . It's not about voter turnout when the voter has nothing to back up their reasons for voting .

People look at this now as some sort of game to tally up the numbers , how is this going to get this counrty fixed .

I followed Obama's voting record and most times he votes last of does not vote at all . With this he has played it safe and that is not a good thing .

I don't agree with Hillary's position on many issues but neither were my choice from the start .

What really bugs me is the talk about moving into the future while they drag the names from the past along with them , brand names of old timers . That makes no sense other than expose the cult like mentality going on . People are blind to things that are there right in front of their faces .

I made a post asking what the young voters wanted to see in the future since they talk about the future and it is theirs not mine but got not one response . Lots of views but not one answer .

[Radical Activist]

38. Sponsored a bill adding sexual orientation to the Illinois human rights code

It passed.
Sponsored and passed the most important campaign finance laws in Illinois in the last 20 years.
Sponsored and passed major ethics reform in the US Senate.
Was smart enough to not be duped by Bush about Iraq.
Managed to get elected Senator and become the Democratic frontrunner without constantly pandering or compromising his progressive values.

Those are a few off the top of my head but there's plenty more if you want to use google.

[Alexander]

52. Well said! Shillbots are all bark but no bite. They ignore the record.

Obama has a long list of accomplishments in the relatively short amount of time he's been a legislator.

[Deja Q]

57. Google

http://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+jobs&btnG=Google+Search

[Critters2]

58. His senate campaign isn't much of an accomplishment.

He ran against a carpetbagger who entered the race halfway into the campaign, after another Repug dropped out over a sex scandal. My beagle would've won a Senate seat in the same situation. But I couldn't get her to run.

[Radical Activist]

61. The Democratic Primary was the race that year.

He ran against a self finance millionaire and a well known statewide office holder with backing from the Chicago machine. He was the underdog and it was a hard fought race.

[jackson_dem]

90. He won because of a scandal that took down the front runner right before the primary

And he won a state senate election by kicking all of his opponents off the ballot with legal machinations.

[Radical Activist]

99. No, the scandal was the Republican.

There was no scandal about the Democrats he ran against in the primary. Sorry, but this time reality doesn't support your constant efforts to look for every tiny little thing to criticize Obama.

[jackson_dem]

89. Obama panders as much if not more than Hillary

Obamites refuse to recognize that St. Obama has a voting record. It is the same as Hillary's. You can't say Hillary compromised her progressive values and call her a centrist and then call Obama a shining example beacon of progressivism when they vote the same way 90% of the time and are equally as progressive or centrist in their voting records.

[Radical Activist]

101. No, Obama has a far more progressive voting record.

You have to look at their entire careers. I know Hillary has been voting more liberal for the last year or two because she knew she was going to have a problem winning the primary if she didn't move left. But still, group after group like the LCV, ACLU, and all organizations that track who is the more progressive show that Obama has a more progressive voting record even in the Senate. There's really no question here. You're trying too hard.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

40. Taylor Marsh = Tracy Flick nt

[rodeodance]

46. ObamaBabies have lots of Rovian tricks to toss out--like Kill the Messenger.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

48. Okay. nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. I hear this EVERY morning on Washington Journal. Obama supporters call in for him and when asked

why they are voting for him, their answer is ALWAYS..."He'll bring the country together.":eyes: It's the only thing they know! It's so sad.

[maddiejoan]

73. Barack Obama is

the bravest, finest, most lovable man I ever met.

[in_cog_ni_to]

83. you've watched too!

:rofl:

That's IT. I have never heard one caller give anything specific about which real ISSUE is important to them.

[BlackVelvet04]

76. It's really pathetic and quite telling. n/t

[rodeodance]

47. obamababies are unable to learn anything of substance when surrounded by FAIRY DUST

[Deja Q]

56. That sounds homophobic.

[rodeodance]

97. get a life. my phase coinsides with the Faiy Tale surrounding his campaign. Enough said.

[BlackVelvet04]

59. He talks good....

Oh, sweet Jesus, and they wonder why we think it's a personality cult?

[Critters2]

60. He'll give us ponies!!

[Recursion]

65. Ethics reform

Adding sexual orientation to the IL human rights code
Required disclosure of bundling
Lead paint regulations, and goading the EPA into enforcing them
Raising IL's children's health program maximum income eligibility to twice the poverty level
Something like tripling the amount of math and science summer school programs
etc.

Seriously, people who refuse to do a simple search for his accomplishments and positions, and then claim he lacks both, are irritating...

[RJdotcom]

69. Re: Swooning Obama supporters unable to name a single accomplishment

-Obama passed legislation with Republican Senator Jim Talent
to give gas stations a tax credit for installing E85 ethanol
refueling pumps. The tax credit covers 30 percent of the costs
of switching one or more traditional petroleum pumps to E85,
which is an 85 percent ethanol/15 percent gasoline blend.

-After a number of inmates on death row were found innocent,
Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require
the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all
capital cases.

-His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a
measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every
American to go online and see how and where every dime of
their tax dollars is spent.

-Obama created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for
low-income working families in 2000 and successfully sponsored
a measure to make the credit permanent in 2003. The law
offered about $105 million in tax relief over three years.

-Obama joined forces with former U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL)
to pass the toughest campaign finance law in Illinois history.
The legislation banned the personal use of campaign money by
Illinois legislators and banned gifts from lobbyists. Before
the law was passed, one organization ranked Illinois worst
among 50 states for its campaign finance regulations. 

-As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama
has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay
they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the
return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after
Iraq and Afghanistan.

-He traveled to Russia with Republican **** Lugar to begin a
new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find
and secure deadly weapons around the world. 

-Obama has been a leading advocate for protecting the right to
vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading
the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting.

- In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to
increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more
protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current
subprime crisis began. 

-Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans,
and he also was credited with lobbied the state to more
closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending
practices. 

-Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to
provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase
the number of full-time workers in America relative to those
outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in
America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement;
provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in
the military.

-Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and
Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments
include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing
greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and
helping improve prenatal and premature birth services. 

-Obama has introduced and helped pass bipartisan legislation
to limit the abuse of no-bid federal contracts. 

-Obama and Senator Feingold (D-WI) took on both parties and
proposed ethics legislation that was described as the
"gold standard" for reform. It was because of their
leadership that ending subsidized corporate jet travel,
mandating disclosure of lobbyists' bundling of contributions,
and enacting strong new restrictions of lobbyist-sponsored
trips became part of the final ethics bill that was signed
into law.


I really could list many, many more but I fear it would be too
much to take in at one time. I hope this helps some of you
know him a little better

[LynzM]

132. Thank you.

Gotta love it that your reply has no other replies yet, because you're actually providing some information that was asked for, not inciting more flame war. /sigh

Thank you.

[jefferson_dem]

77. Taylor "SHillbot" Marsh.

:rofl:

[butterfly77]

91. The surprise is that.

Dan Abrams is the only one who called them on it.

[cd3dem]

100. does making $300,000 real-estate deals with Rezco count for an accomplishment?

[MzShellG]

105. What relevant accomplishment does Hillary claim during her "35 yrs of experience"?

[MzShellG]

119. Gee, I hear crickets chirping....still waiting......

[Clinton Crusader]

106. Every word of this is true with re: to MSM and

it pains me to see Keith doing it. I haven't watched him since his disgraceful behavior the night of SC. I even wrote to tell him what a great disappointment he has turned out to be. He's perfect for a job at Fixed Noise now.

What has GE paid them all to do this? Who would have thought Abrams would be the only one with ANY ethics left?

Olbermann should be ashamed of himself. All pundits and so called 'guests' of GE has been bought and sold. Never again will I watch.
:mad: :grr:

[DemGa]

108. It's just an infatuation; and hence the lack of depth

Starry-eyed from "feel good" rhetoric, substance is not relevant to Obamas.

Clinton supporters KNOW Clinton: a completely different dynamic.

[SOS]

116. Lyndon Johnson on John F. Kennedy:

“He never said a word of importance in the Senate, and he never did a thing.”

And yet...

[nonconformist]

117. Who needs accomplishements when you have CHARISMA! nt

[femrap]

118. Olbermann likes his Constitution and Democracy,

but he doesn't like uppity women. I have emailed him on two occasions asking why he keeps giving Britney and Paris air time...after all there must be something else more important than infotainment.

The third time I emailed him, he had me BLOCKED! Can't take the heat, get out of the studio, big boy.

Keith doesn't like criticism especially from women...we are to bow and kiss his ring.

[noiretextatique]

127. that's been my experience when talking to obama supporters

it's all "hope and change" and nothing else.

[krkaufman]

129. Ironically, Marsh fails to name a single Clinton accomplishment in her article. n/t

[mahina]

130. Wait, Fox showing uninformed voters?

Surely not.

Just because you, and they, don't know his accomplishments, does not make them less. Ask the prisoners who confess in Illinois without getting the stuffing beat out of them, thanks to his bill requiring videotaped confessions. For one.

[amborin]

131. Obama's hypocrisy

The Boston Globe

August 9, 2007 Thursday
THIRD EDITION

PACs and lobbyists aided Obama's rise - Data contrast with his theme

BYLINE: Scott Helman Globe Staff

SECTION: NATIONAL; Pg. A1

LENGTH: 1276 words


Using campaign appearances, e-mails to supporters, and Iowa TV ads, Illinois Senator Barack Obama
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has repeatedly reminded voters that his presidential campaign does not accept contributions from lobbyists or political action committees, casting his decision as a noble departure from the ways of Washington.

He hit the theme hard again in Tuesday's Democratic debate in Chicago as he sought to capitalize on rival Hillary Clinton
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's remark last weekend that taking lobbyists' cash is acceptable because they "represent real Americans."

"The people in this stadium need to know who we're going to fight for," Obama said at Soldier Field. "The reason that I'm running for president is because of you, not because of folks who are writing big checks, and that's a clear message that has to be sent, I think, by every candidate."

But behind Obama's campaign rhetoric about taking on special interests lies a more complicated truth. A Globe review of Obama's campaign finance records shows that he collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists and PACs as a state legislator in Illinois, a US senator, and a presidential aspirant.

In Obama's eight years in the Illinois Senate, from 1996 to 2004, almost two-thirds of the money he raised for his campaigns - $296,000 of $461,000 - came from PACs, corporate contributions, or unions, according to Illinois Board of Elections records. He tapped financial services firms, real estate developers, healthcare providers, oil companies, and many other corporate interests, the records show.

Obama's US Senate campaign committee, starting with his successful run in 2004, has collected $128,000 from lobbyists and $1.3 million from PACs, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonprofit organization that tracks money in politics. His $1.3 million from PACs represents 8 percent of what he has raised overall. Clinton's Senate committee, by comparison, has raised $3 million from PACs, 4 percent of her total amount raised, the group said.

In addition, Obama's own federal PAC, Hopefund, took in $115,000 from 56 PACs in the 2005-2006 election cycle out of $4.4 million the PAC raised, according to CQ MoneyLine, which collects Federal Election Commission data. Obama then used those PAC contributions - including thousands from defense contractors, law firms, and the securities and insurance industries - to build support for his presidential run by making donations to Democratic Party organizations and candidates around the country.

Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said that after seeing the influence of lobbyists firsthand during his two years in Washington, Obama decided before he entered the presidential race that he would take a different approach to fund-raising than he had in the past.

"He's leading by example and taking steps that he feels need to be taken on the national stage to clean up the undue influence of Washington lobbyists on the policies and priorities of Washington," Psaki said. "His leadership on this issue is an evolving process."

Psaki said Obama believes that healthcare lobbyists have blocked progress toward universal health coverage, and that oil company lobbyists have blocked badly needed changes to America's energy policies.

Though Obama has returned thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from registered federal lobbyists since he declared his candidacy in February, his presidential campaign has maintained ties with lobbyists and lobbying firms to help raise some of the $58.9 million he collected through the first six months of 2007.

Obama has raised more than $1.4 million from members of law and consultancy firms led by partners who are lobbyists, The Los Angeles Times reported last week. And The Hill, a Washington newspaper, reported earlier this year that Obama's campaign had reached out to lobbyists' networks to use their contacts to help build his fund-raising base.

This activity, along with Obama's past contributions from lobbyists and PACs, has drawn fire from opposing campaigns. Some political analysts say Obama, by casting himself as an uncorrupted good-government crusader, has set himself up for charges of hypocrisy.

[1776Forever]

133. Since Hillary and Bill are a twosome let's look at what she and he have accomplished together:

NAFTA, CAFTA, Communications Bill of 1996 Act, and outsourcing to India that Bill and Hillary have supported -

voting for the Iraq War to invade - not to help protect the troops after they are all ready there -

Her vote of the so-called "Lieberman-Kyl" resolution on Iran.

Now for Obama's accomplishments:

Obama, Schiff Provision to Create Nuclear Threat Reduction Plan Approved

Obama Introduces Bill To Prevent Veterans Homelessness

Obama Demands Answers on Blackwater Immunity Deal

Obama Joins Senators to Introduce Legislation to Prohibit Industry-Funded Travel for Federal Regulators

And finally and not least of these:

Ethics and Lobbying Reform that he initiated!!!!

More at this link:

http://obama.senate.gov/issues/ethics_and_lobbying_reform/

For this and for the reasoning that we need a future and not a past with old markers to be paid -

I support Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I am posting this in a separate message)

:applause: :woohoo: :applause:

[earth mom]

134. Clinton & Obama supporters are BRAINWASHED CULT MEMBERS!

:yoiks:

This country is DOOMED.

[Raffi Ella]

135. Very telling.

This is an extraordinary telling gaffe.It can not be brushed aside nor should it be.We're talking about the most powerful position in the world and Baracks supporters have no clue who they are voting for or why.

The cult of personality can not be the deciding factor in this race.

It just can't.