Potential Trouble For Obama In New York

[THUNDER HANDS]

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this today, so forgive me if I'm just repeating something. But I just came from voting and I was surprise that when I went to the voting booth, Clinton's name was the first one on the ballot and there were no other names next to hers?

I mean, there were names, but none you could vote for.

It went:

Clinton
Kucinich
Richardson
Biden
Dodd
Obama

and then way down at the bottom was Obama.

I don't know if that's going to mess up his vote or not, but I had to actually search for him before I found his name and the row I could flip the little switches for him.

It's probably more an annoyance than anything else. But I wonder why Clinton was the first name on the ballot, even before Biden. Why didn't they just move Obama and Clintons' names and spots together to make it easier for people?

Just something to keep in mind for the results later on tonight. Anyone else in NY notice the same thing?

[Bluebear]

'there were no other names next to hers' - what do you mean?

[ccpup]

1. they were arranged across the top space of the rows

with their pledged delegates beneath them. Or at least they were in my District here in Manhattan

[NYCGirl]

2. At my polling place we have the lever machines. They look like this today:

[NJSecularist]

3. More foul play from the Hillary camp

Is anybody really surprised? :puke: :puke: :puke:

[Bluebear]

7. Ah, so she is fixing the election? Good, she can fix the general too then.

:silly:

[LostinVA]

12. Yup, cause the HRC campaign really designs ballots and the machines

Oh boy.

[LostinVA]

13. Yup, cause the HRC campaign really designs ballots and the machines

Oh boy.

[11 Bravo]

19. Dumbest. Post. Ever.

[Bluebear]

22. And that's hard to do around here!

:rofl:

[MonkeyFunk]

30. You can't really believe

Clinton dictates the ballot order on the machines.

[leftynyc]

31. And just like clockwork

the whining begins about being cheated.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

35. oh jays'us h christ........get a friggen grip!

[karlrschneider]

36. Yeah, that diabolical woman designed the machines. 50 years ago.

:eyes:

[Retrograde]

46. 50? Some of them go back to the early 1900s

That Hillary is sure a busy woman, what with rigging all the elections and selling us out to the Republicans it's a wonder she finds time for eating babies. Maybe I should have voted for her - sounds like she gets things done! /feeble_attempt_at_humor

Seriously, the order of names is probably random. There have been studies that indicate whoever's in the first slot gets ~2% more votes just from position. In my state, the names are in different order in each district to try and prevent someone from getting this kind of bump statewide.

BTW, Clinton was last on my ballot.

[geiger]

4. the names get rotated

[sandnsea]

29. the names get rotated

it was worth repeating just as you typed it.

k.i.s.s.

:hi:

[tekisui]

5. As an Obama supporter, I believe we are intelligent enough and have the attention span

to read through the list of SIX CHOICES.

[frazzled]

33. You're wrong when you are talking about mechanical lever machines

The point was that Clinton's name was alone and it was clear which lever to pull. The other names, however, were apparently hard to align with the proper lever. (See my post about my son's complaint, below--he had a lot of trouble and he is quite intelligent and patient).

[hisownpetard]

38. I should join MENSA, 'cause it only took me a second to find him and vote!

FINALLLLY!

[LisaM]

6. You have Obama listed twice

That can't be right.

[IndieLeft]

16. No he doesn't.

[LisaM]

43. Yes, he does, and he doesn't have Edwards

See:


"Clinton
Kucinich
Richardson
Biden
Dodd
Obama

and then way down at the bottom was Obama"


I think the first Obama must have been meant to be Edwards.

[julialnyc]

8. In CT where I voted

Obama had the top spot (and it had lots of the candidates that have dropped out of the race). Hillary is in the middle. All and all it was pretty easy to find who you were looking for.

[papau]

23. Hillary is in the middle." - that is the one location that screws Hillary

[MadBadger]

9. How was turnout in NY? Im trying to figure out how turnout is in the City with the Giants parade.

[Alexander]

10. I imagine they randomized the names and Hillary's came out on top.

That's what they did here in Arizona. Some guy named "Sandy Whitehouse" was at the top of the ballot here.

[IndieLeft]

11. What Ever Happened to Alphabetical Order?

[Bluebear]

14. John Adams won too often, now they rotate names or have a draw

[Deep13]

26. Yeah, NY got sick of Governor Aaron Aardvark.

[cali]

15. being on top of the ballot is worth approx. 3 points. n/t

[Bucky]

25. From what? People too stupid to read the second choice?

Top of the ballot is worth 3-5 points for a down ballot position. I'm pretty sure that for president people know who they want.

[tritsofme]

17. I don't know about NY, but in many states candidates are listed randomly.

And it could vary from county to county.

[Texas_Kat]

42. Each county in Texas has a "draw" for ballot order ...

since each county is responsible for it's own ballot creating.

That is, someone (a candidate's volunteer or an election person if no volunteer shows up) draws numbers from a 'hat' to determine ballot order.

[Renew Deal]

18. I noticed the same thing.

I found him, but it took a second. I'm assuming people know who they want to vote for. I doubt that they understand the delegates.

[papau]

20. Bottom is second best to top - any other position would hurt him - at least that is what

they said about positioning way back in my youth.

Bottom or top is a 2 to 3% gain compared to middle - with top getting a very slight edge

Most states rotate by precinct because of this - I thought NY rotated - but in this case it would make more sense to not rotate given only 2 contenders.

A NY election law person is needed to get you a real answer (my reply about past memories of the rules is worth little).

[frazzled]

21. My son called to report the same thing

It was his first time voting in New York (he moved there this fall for graduate school). Here was his experience:

His polling place was listed in an adjacent apartment building. He went to the front lobby, but could find no signs nor anyone there. He decided to go to the rear of the building and, indeed, found a sign ... but he couldn't open the door! Finally, as one last try, he decided to return to his own building, go down to the laundry room, and enter the other building from there: he finally found the polling place!

He was a little shocked at having to vote on an old lever machine. He said that he considers himself fairly capable (he was a National Merit Scholar, graduated with honors in math and physics, and is a theoretical mathematics student) ... but he found it confusing! It was hard to tell if he was pushing the right levers he said ... except that Clinton's lever was standing all alone on the left (I think). So your story is confirmed ... he had to triple check to figure out if he had punched a lever for Obama (it was unclear, he said, as to whether it might be Edwards's).

[Deep13]

24. Well, with HC's supernatural ability to fix elections, defeating McCain will be a piece of cake.

Jesus Christ. :eyes:

For the record, if O. wins it will be because he won and not because he did anything illegal or unethical. So I just want to be clear in advance that I will not be looking for excuses if my candidate loses.

[meow mix]

27. obama last choice in california as well

bleh..

[Bluebear]

28. Oh no, that's big potential trouble.

:crazy:

[meow mix]

37. lol, yah BIG HUGH!!

not sure how im suppose to be happy about it though lol id rather it were on top :D

[shadowknows69]

32. Obama was fourth down on our booths today.

[Auntie Bush]

34. There's only two viable people running. Clinton was first and Obama was last. (alphabetical order)

[Stephanie]

39. I don't believe it's the same on every machine.

I think they mix it up in different precincts.

[calico1]

40. I voted in CT and accordiing to the news here

the names were sorted randomly to come up with the order. It so happens that here Obama's name is first and Hillary's is near the bottom. (I think she was next to last). I thought this was how it was done in most places. I don't see anything diabolical or evil. I voted for Hillary. I looked for her name and marked it accordingly. My eyesight isn't all that great but I would have trouble mixing up "Barrack Obama" with "Hillary Clinton."

[Bluestar]

41. When I went to vote on my paper ballot today in California

Hillary Clinton's name was SECOND TO LAST!! I'm really pissed--did Maria Shriver use her First Lady clout to magically move Obama's name above Hillary's?? Oh, the humanity!

[Nite Owl]

44. There weren't the delegates

names next to the candidate to vote for?

[Tweed]

45. Obama got top billing in Illinois

but then again, Hillary was second.