Dean and DNC will take another look at FL & MI if race remains unsettled

[ecstatic]

(On CNN with Wolf)

Hmm... interesting. Although, the DNC needs to include them now and not wait until later.

[Joe the Revelator]

1. He's saying whats been said for a while now

At the convention, the first vote will be to seat the MI/FL delegations or not. Which ever candidate has the most delegates going in, will control that vote.

[Clintonista2]

8. He said that a Democratic commitee will make the determination

[rodeodance]

9. Hillary stood up for Fl voters. obama did not.

[madfloridian]

15. Hillary is going against the rules by trying to count Florida.

If she wins that way it will be a Pyrrhic victory.

[rodeodance]

23. she asked the DNC to reconsider--NO rules were broken except in your fantasy mind!

[NightWatcher]

2. Wolf is being a jerk

like Dean said, we set the rules, they (FLA and MI) went against it and were punished accordingly.

I dont have a problem with that.

[PresidentObama]

3. Interesting!

[rodeodance]

4. gee--guess the rules can change?? Clinton had asked for Re-evaluation. Glad they are listening

[madfloridian]

5. She'll get her way.

.

[rodeodance]

She stood up for the voters of FL. while Obama did not.

[Debi]

10. And then she'll have Dean booted. Wonder if Terry will be Chair for eight more years? n/t

[Blackdog4241]

6. This should not happen without new elections....

for these states.:mad:

[mopinko]

7. shades of '68

i hope i am wrong.

[Samantha]

11. He actually said the Ethics Committee would make the decision

Matthews repeatedly pushed him to voice an opinion, quoting Hillary Clinton's recent remarks. Dean said candidates can say whatever they want to say; it's not his position to criticize the candidates; he must play a supporting role to all. But he said more than once the Ethics Committee would be the deciding body.

This brings us to this question: who is on the Ethics Committee and which candidate do they support?:)

And further, exactly how "ethical" are these members .... ;)

[madfloridian]

14. This 2008 convention site has all the committees.

But I can't get it to load right now. Very busy.

www.demconwatch.blogspot.com/

[Texas_Kat]

16. Dunno about the 'ethics' committee... it should be the Credentials committee

[madfloridian]

19. Yes, it is the credentials committee.

I had tivoed it and that is what Dean said.

And he said that committee would not be under his control.

[Texas_Kat]

26. It's not.... he's right

It's not necessarily under the candidates' 'control' either.

[Samantha]

29. The DNC site does list this issue under the Credentials Committee purview

The reading there is fascinating:

"And we have a vote, state-by-state, the first meaningful state-by-state roll call at a Democratic Convention since 1980. Clinton would need a majority of the delegates (not including Florida and Michigan) to approve the Minority Report.

"And then reality strikes. If Clinton can get a majority of delegates to support the Minority Report, than she has a majority of the delegates supporting her anyway, and she doesn't need Michigan and Florida.

"But if she doesn't have a majority of the delegates supporting her, its hard to see why delegates supporting other candidates would vote to seat the two delegations, essentially helping her out. After fighting for the nomination for 2 years, why would Obama or Edwards and their delegates give up the fight in this way. It's just not going to happen. The delegations will NOT be seated if the nomination is contested." (emphasis added)

A lot more at:

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/search?q=Credentials+Committee

but I only posted the three paragraphs with the bottom line. Read it yourself for more info.

Sam

[cobalt1999]

12. It's about time Dean said this.

The alternative is so self-destructive and supportive of the favored state system that it's crazy to continue this crap.

[madfloridian]

13. If Hillary wins by counting FL delegates it will be a shady win.

Because she will have done what she said she would not do.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1794

And I agree with Simon Rosenberg who was quoted in the link.

"But there is a line in politics where tough and determined becomes craven and narcissistic, where advocacy becomes spin, and where integrity and principle is lost. I am concerned that this Florida gambit by the Clinton campaign is once again putting two of my political heroes too close - or perhaps over - that line. So that even if they win this incredible battle with Barack Obama they will end up doing so in a way that will make it hard for them to bring the Party back together, and to lead the nation to a new and better day".

[MonkeyFunk]

25. Why?

no candidate had an unfair advantage in Florida - except for Obama.

[Thrill]

17. Thats BS if that happens. How do you tell Edwards and Obama

They can't campaign there. And then give Hillary the Delegates. Talk about Shady. Obama has shown when he visits places and introduces himself to voters he makes big gains. Thats BS to seat them for Hillary

[wyldwolf]

20. hey, Brent. They were ALL told they couldn't campaign there

The only one who didn't adhere to the rule was Obama.

[rodeodance]

22. obamababy whinner in action!

[Baclava]

18. The smoky back room deals have begun.

I hear money talks

[Didereaux]

21. The key thing that Dean said was this...

He said it was of paramount importance that the candidate be decided BEFORE Denver, so that a divisive fight would be avoided just before the general. (A point I have made several times in that last few weeks.) To those ends Dean implied(did not say) that if adding in the Michigan and Florida delegates would break a deadlock then that would be preferable. Dean unlike, a lot of democratic party laymen is a lot sharper sometimes than you might imagine!

[madfloridian]

24. If they seat Florida after they acted like such a**holes...

then we become independents after the election.

[Didereaux]

27. we can debate the issue, but Dean's rationale is hard to argue against.

[madfloridian]

28. What rationale?

I heard the interview. He skirted the issues.

[Didereaux]

30. as I said in my OP...

dean understands that if it goes to a borkered convention their will be a serious rift in the party. That is NOT something you want to happen in September with the Election just 60 days away. So if hard feelings and battles are going to tke place it is better if they do so as far before the convention as is possible.

No, Dean did NOT say that, he strongly IMPLIED it. Sometimes it is not good to spell things out in grade school terms, so that the media and the average idiot gets hold of it. People with brains and knowledge of the system can easily glean the facts and read between the lines.