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Tue Feb-05-08 07:42 PM
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My vote....is personal.... |
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I'll admit it.
It goes beyond agreeing with her on the issues....I feel that Obama and Clinton are very close politically. Like the 80% of black people who are showing out in huge numbers for Obama, to rally behind him because he is african-american, I am casting my vote for Hillary Clinton.
I like Hillary Clinton because she is a woman....like me.
Go ahead and bash me....but...
I gave up my own professional aspirations when I got married. My husband was finishing medical school and starting residency and the demands on his time were unbelievable. For 7 years of our married life, he worked 100 hours/week for about $5/hour. It was terrible, and there was no way that we could have made it work if I had wanted to press forward.
I did some things...I finished up a grad degree...and have worked some odd jobs professionally in that field...but I can honestly say that if my husband had not been on a high-powered career path, my life would be substantially different. Despite having a graduate degree in a hard science, I find myself often belittled by people who don't know that. When we met with our banker about getting a mortgage on our home and my dh mentioned that I had a grad degree, he smirked and said "oooh, are you a social worker". (NOT that there is anything wrong with being a social worker....the assumption botherd me that every woman who has a professional degree must be a nurse or a social worker.)
In my department, I was often talked across or down to simply due to my femaleness....the sexism was palpable...the implications that I got my job beause my dh is a physician in the community are also there.
It's ridiculous.
I feel like it is time to break through the glass ceiling.
I am really bummed out that the polling looks like Clinton might not do so well....like I said...it's also personal here for me.
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Tue Feb-05-08 07:46 PM
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1. Don't lose hope quite yet - numbers have only started to come in. |
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I'm still hoping for a win.
Chin up! Courage!
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Tue Feb-05-08 07:47 PM
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2. as a female in the sciences I respect your experience |
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I know it was a lot harder for earlier generations of women. My mom quit college to put her husband through grad school because it was the economically prudent thing to do.
But I'm puzzled that you say "the implications that I got my job beause my dh is a physician in the community are also there." Isn't Mrs. Clinton a perfect case of getting where she is based on her husband's career? I'm not saying she's not bright and capable. Absent Bill I actually think she would have achieved a lot more in her life. But why wouldn't we want other female senators or governors known for their own careers to be the first female president?
I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm curious about your thoughts.
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Tue Feb-05-08 07:52 PM
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5. she is known for her own career...... |
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If she hadn't had the education and worked hard what Bill was wouldn't have made a difference.
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Tue Feb-05-08 07:53 PM
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Maybe Bill would have never been president. Who knows? Why aren't more women in both parties running for the presidency? I don't know the answer to that, but I do know that Hillary Clinton is.
There is a female professor in my department who I'm sure got her position here only because her husband is in the department. The thing is...she is a more capable scientist and instructor than HE is...but...they have children and she is the one to take off for sick days, etc.
It's a man's world.
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Tue Feb-05-08 07:54 PM
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8. I'm not following the logic, though, and I keep seeing this on the 'net... |
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Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 07:54 PM by libbygurl
...so why aren't those other female senators and governors running for president, then?
I seem to perceive that Hillary's wrong to run for the presidency (and Senate before) because she happens to be ex-president Bill's husband?
So do you mean to imply that all women who are married/related to politicians shouldn't even try to run for office?
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Tue Feb-05-08 07:49 PM
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3. I'm not going to bash you! |
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I voted for her because she is a woman too. It seems like it should be our time and I will be very dissappointed if it is not.
:hug: I hope we can keep the faith.
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Tue Feb-05-08 07:50 PM
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4. It's personal for everyone... |
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Tue Feb-05-08 07:53 PM
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6. she got my support because of her accomplishments |
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and policy positions, she got my money and my dedication to work for her because she's a woman.
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Tue Feb-05-08 07:54 PM
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9. yes. That's how I wish I had formulated it too. |
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Tue Feb-05-08 07:57 PM
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12. Me, too. I had a difficult time deciding (I had been an Edwards supporter). |
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Last night my husband and I had a long conversation about the primary. He is a strong Hillary supporter and active in ward politics here in New Haven and he works at City Hall coordinating the programs for the homeless. Anyway, he seemed so genuinely confused that I was not totally prepared to vote for Hillary he asked me how I could NOT vote forher as a feminist and an activist, which I am.
I had really no answer. I lost lots of sleep over that question. This morning early I was watching the news and an ad for Hillary by RFK, Jr. came on. I so admire him as a liberal and a progressive that I decided then and there that I would vote for Hillary in our primary.It was hard to do and then it was easy...
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Tue Feb-05-08 08:02 PM
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13. Very glad for you - and for Hillary! nt |
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Tue Feb-05-08 08:08 PM
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14. And if she loses, where do we go from here? |
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I don't mean we won't support Obama in the GE. Of course, we will. But what of our hopes, our dreams, for so many years...?
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Tue Feb-05-08 08:17 PM
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15. Just keep to your daily tasks as always... |
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...like Hillary says she does - just gets up every morning to do what she feels is important to her. It's the least we can do. Sometimes things don't turn out the way we want 'em to, but sometimes they'll also turn out better later.
I don't want to sound so banal about it, given the abuse of the words in these days, but I really did feel lots of hope and excitement about Hillary's plans on listening to her last night in that Town Hall meeting. She touched on so many things and issues that I've long thought about, things so neglected, and that have sorely needed attention from a genuine leader.
If she doesn't get the nom, well, it was a well-fought battle, but I'm not giving up just yet till that is a done deal.
While inspired by Hill's plans, I'm also philosophical about the whole thing. Only way I can keep sane. I must say, though, I don't know what I'll do if another Republican takes the presidency - I was depressed beyond words last two pres. elections!
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Tue Feb-05-08 08:19 PM
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16. Conversation overheard |
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between a young man, who had expressed support for Hillary, and his mother. "Oh we can't have a woman president. No one would respect us." Unbelievable.
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Tue Feb-05-08 08:29 PM
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17. Yes I support Lieberman for the same reason |
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:sarcasm:
Everyone is entitled to vote how they want, but know that fingers point both ways. Don't criticize anyone for voting against her because she is a woman. We have arrived as a society when it doesn't matter what race/gender/religion people are.
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