Edwards disqualified in Alabama?

[BamaLefty]

My friend was running as an Edwards delegate today and she (and many of her friends) were not allowed to cast their ballot because the state of Alabama Dem party decided that "counting Edwards votes was a waste of taxpayer money." Her vote, as well as the vote of many others, was put into the shredder and these people were told that this was their only vote.

When she argued that Edwards' campaign had NOT been ended, she was told that she must either leave the premises or be escorted off through force.

Is this really what we want in not only Alabama but America? Damn.

[Roland99]

1. Did she call 9-1-1 or is this going down as some urban legend?

NO WAY would I leave if that happened to me.

[BamaLefty]

3. No urban legend...

She called the AL Secretary of State and she was told that this was the decision of the state of AL Democratic Party, and there was nothing they could do about it.

When she called the county courthouse, she was told to "get a lawyer"... and she has no money for that.

[Roland99]

7. Call anyone in the press? Seriously, NO WAY would I leave w/o my vote counting.

[FlyingSquirrel]

4. Sounds fishy to me.......

Strange tales

[MADem]

21. It's true, but it was in the paper YESTERDAY. Your Edwards vote will count.

But your vote for someone running as an "Edwards delegate" will not.

[LakeSamish706]

2. That is very lame indeed and I'm certain the good people of Alabama...

would certainly not agree with this decission...

[sfam]

5. They should "waste" the money then...

Truly, how crass. Of all the things states "waste" money on, why would they try to save a buck while disenfranchising people?

[jody]

6. I voted today in Alabama and Edwards delegates were on my ballot. n/t

[BamaLefty]

8. That's what I have heard from others around the state

I'm wondering if this was only a problem in Tuscaloosa.

[BamaLefty]

9. And, yes.... but did you attempt to vote FOR Edwards?

If so, you obviously wouldn't have the same problem.

[jody]

14. See sample ballot below for Mobile county. I personally entered my ballot into the scanner and it

was read.

http://www.mobilecounty.org/probatecourt/pdfs/Primary08SampleBallot.pdf

[ChiciB1]

26. How Do You KNOW It Was Read??? You See I Live In Florida & I

saw this HONESTLY... I saw myself vote, I saw my ballot GO SOMEWHERE... but I DIDN'T SEE IT GETTING read!!

[jody]

28. See my post #27. I have the same confidence my vote was counted as you. n/t

[jody]

27. Go to the NY Times link below and you will see votes counted for Edwards in Alabama.

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/AL.html

[ChiciB1]

32. We Will See In The End IF He Holds His Percentage!! He Was Getting

his 15% here in Florida... and then PFFT! They showed him getting votes, and they showed him getting MORE than 15%, but GEE Whiz, in the end... it was 14.4% I don't know why they didn't just make 14.8% and make it hurt even more!

But, I'm not going to try to figure Alabama out... I just know Florida! and I know it pretty well. You see, I live in THAT county that lost 18,000 plus votes in 2006! Jeez, they NEVER found them!!

I trust VERY little anymore... ANYWHERE!

[jody]

38. Alabama is not immune to voting fraud nor is any other state. n/t

[ChiciB1]

37. Just One More Thing... I HAVE Watched State Votes Come In... County

by County and have seen them "change" dramatically in a very short time! Small counties come in by hundreds, larger counties by thousands.... but NOT by overwhelming THOUSANDS! I saw that happen in 2004 with my own eyes! When they began to see that Ohio was going to be a problem....there was a BIG DUMP made all at one time! Katherine "Creulla" Harris got a dump of 40,000 before they "called" Florida for The Idiot!

[trof]

45. Mine too. I voted for Edwards.

[nonconformist]

10. If this is true, she needs to call the media immediately. nt

[MADem]

17. It was in the PAPER already--YESTERDAY. They WARNED people about the delegate votes.

See post fifteen for the cite.

[Shine]

11. If this is true, it's greatly disturbing. How DARE they!!!

:grr:

[sidwill]

12. Listen and listen good; EDWARDS IS NO LONGER RUNNING ANYWHERE.

End

of

Message.

[kelligesq]

16. tHAT IS A FALSE MESSAGE.. In the past week since he has suspended he has called

two states Rhode Island and North Dakota to make sure his name is entered and
maintained on the ballot.

[Name removed]

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[Beaverhausen]

22. Way to miss the point!

He is still on the ballot and no way should someone not be allowed to vote for him. I'm guessing the poll worker was an Obama supporter.

[ChiciB1]

30. YOU -- ARE -- INCORRECT!! He Kept His Name ON THE BALLOT

because he DOES want delegates to represent him at the CONVENTION!!!

So to YOU!!
END

OF

MESSAGE!!

And BTW, if you were really thinking, IT'S REALLY a stretch to think he wouldn't have held out until AFTER SUPER TUESDAY! Whether he one any other Primary means nothing... he may have done much better and at least gotten some headway!! You DON'T have to believe anything YOU don't want to, but in TIME it may become VERY VERY clear what went on. I've been around for quite some time... this stinks and it stinks like an OUTHOUSE in SUMMER!!

[MaryRN]

44. Too bad it wasn't a complete message.

[Maddy McCall]

13. How did the pollworkers see your friend's ballot?

We vote with private ballots in the US. No one has EVER seen my ballot. Ever.

How on earth did anyone see your friend's ballot?

[Shine]

18. Excellent question, Maddy.

:thumbsup: Yeah, what about that??

[MonkeyFunk]

36. nobody saw it

The whole OP is suspicious.

And yes, Edwards is out of the race.

[MADem]

15. ALABAMA papers say votes for EDWARDS will count, just not the delegate votes

This info was in the paper yesterday:

Tell me about the presidential aspect of this primary. If you choose to vote in the Republican primary, you have the following candidates on the ballot: Hugh Cort, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mike Huckabee, Duncan Hunter, Alan Keyes, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Tom Tancredo, Fred Thompson and Uncommitted.

If you choose to vote in the Democratic primary, the ballot bears the following names: Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Christopher J. Dodd, John Edwards, Barack Obama, Bill Richardson and Uncommitted.

Now wait a minute. Most of these candidates - Biden, Edwards, Richardson, Giuliani, Thompson among them - have dropped out of the race. That's right. But you can still vote for them, and if they win some delegates, those delegates probably will go to the convention and are likely to go for whomever their candidate has backed.

Suppose when I am voting, I choose someone for president but then I want to choose delegates for another candidate. You're wasting your time. Your presidential choice will be counted, but your delegate choices will not be.

Suppose I had planned to vote in person Tuesday, but now have a business or medical emergency? You can cast an absentee vote if you have a medical or business emergency after the normal application deadline, but you must apply for a ballot no later than 5 p.m. today. In case of a medical emergency, a doctor's certification is required. For more absentee information, call 325-5313 in Birmingham, 481-4165 in Bessemer, or 669-3760 in Shelby County. On the Web, you can get Jefferson County voting information from www.Jeffcointouch.com. Click on the "information and news" tab, then the "voter information" tab. For Shelby County, information is available at http://18jc.alacourt.gov/.

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1202116514105180.xml&coll=2

[kelligesq]

23. That's crazy. They're taking his delegates without his endorsement!

[kelligesq]

24. Get on the phone with the ACLU or Southern Poverty Center - disenfranchisement

[MADem]

25. Sounds like the party will "assign" a delegate IF he meets the threshhold, and that

delegate will be expected to ask him for guidance.

Look, don't shoot the fucking messenger here.

It's not like they SPRUNG this on the voters, though--it was in the damn paper YESTERDAY. Odds are it's probably on some state level website. No one griped.

[kelligesq]

31. How can he meet a threshold if they're destroying the ballot ? NUTS- Unbelievable

[MADem]

43. All I know is what I read in the papers--and they said this:

I posted the link elsewhere in this thread...

If you choose to vote in the Democratic primary, the ballot bears the following names: Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Christopher J. Dodd, John Edwards, Barack Obama, Bill Richardson and Uncommitted.

Now wait a minute. Most of these candidates - Biden, Edwards, Richardson, Giuliani, Thompson among them - have dropped out of the race. That's right. But you can still vote for them, and if they win some delegates, those delegates probably will go to the convention and are likely to go for whomever their candidate has backed.

Suppose when I am voting, I choose someone for president but then I want to choose delegates for another candidate. You're wasting your time. Your presidential choice will be counted, but your delegate choices will not be.

[Yael]

20. You lost me at "put their votes in the shredder"

Sorry -- I want him to post to the big boards tonight more than anyone here -- but this is a bit of a stretch, IMO.

If anyone's vote was put in a shredder, they don't need to call the SoS -- they need to call the local news. Local News teams live for this kind of thing.

[MonkeyFunk]

41. Yeah

I've been a poll worker. We didn't have a shredder on-site.

[unapatriciated]

29. they are showing a count here...

It looks like exit polls :shrug:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/dates/#20080205

[kelligesq]

33. Edwards 14% - abd they're destroying ballots -when he needs 15% -rotten in Denmark

this is finagling

she's got to report it and the precinct that did this and the person at the preceint

[ChiciB1]

39. The VERY Same Thing Happened Here In Florida On The 29th...

I KNOW YOU KNOW it! I was SHOCKED to see it happen in the Democratic Primary... PEOPLE... I say BEWARE!!

[kelligesq]

34. thanks unapatricated.

:mad:

[kelligesq]

40. Click on Candidate Edwards-Missouri he has 15% & they're not awarding electorals - what the hell is

this ?????

Really screwing him ?

They really figured this out - by getting rid of John - white men voted
for Obama

and that's what they wanted the white men going for the only other man instead of
the woman.

[kelligesq]

42. Alabama - 1st I'd report it - then I'd demand a recount. 14 % + 1 uncommitted - maybe they

should have all gone uncommitted so that they could go to the convention uncounted

gdammmmmit

[Critters2]

35. How did they know who you voted for? nt

[TexasObserver]

46. there are always places where political hacks do what they want

Every election, primary or general, there are people in charge of voting who cheat. It's not uncommon in primaries, where local party hacks often think they're on a mission from God, and that allows them to lie, cheat and steal election votes. Sometimes they're misguided. Other times, they just cheat because they can.

I suspect whoever pulled that has done worse before.