Ok, Hillary supporters, and others...Can we drop the Kennedy/Kerry slams?

[bicentennial_baby]

Regardless, these two longtime Senators have done more for the American people in their careers overall than most politicians *ever* have. Ok, you don't like who they endorsed, but come the fuck on. All of a sudden, GDP hates MA Senators. Seriously :wtf:

Maybe some of you don't remember past decades...But I am proud of my Senators, and I would continue to be regardless of who they endorsed.

Let's show some respect.

:hi:

[sandnsea]

1. Nothing would have happened at all

if it weren't for Kennedy & Kerry. I can't believe the people cheering the DLC over great liberals like Kennedy & Kerry.

[bicentennial_baby]

5. I'm just disgusted...

Seriously, if they had endorsed HRC, I wouldn't have raised this level of hate against them, even though I don't support her. It's shameful.

[Kittycat]

110. Seriously. I would have been bummed, but not angry at them.

I haven't been angry about a single endorsement HRC has received - to the point where I want to degrade them.

[Meshuga]

6. No kidding!

All because Kerry and Kennedy support the other candidate. It is so stupid.

[Clintonista2]

2. I've watched Kerry non-stop attacking the integrity of Bill

He gets a great big FUCK YOU from me.

[bicentennial_baby]

7. Yipee for you...

He's my Senator, and he fights for me, and it's bullshit. And if he was endorsing your candidate, you'd loooove him.

[elixir]

He's my senator too and I don't like the way he timed his endorsement to really slam Hillary.

All's fair in politics but that was crappy.

[karynnj]

89. He gave Obama his endorsement and left the timing to Obama

as many people do - the Clinton's control their endorsements as well. Kerry did NOT slam HRC, he endorsed Obama. He praised her and Edwards.

Senator Menendez and Governor Corzine - from my state both endorsed HRC. Although I worked for both their elections, I simply thought that was their privilege. How are their endorsements different than Kerry'a and Kennedy's?

[kelligesq]

96. slammed Edwards- hope they're both really mortified - but are prolly too drunk to notice

[bicentennial_baby]

105. You don't represent your candidate well....

At all...

[krkaufman]

115. Should he have timed the endorsement so as to have it completely ignored by the media? n/t

[blm]

116. You have GOT to be kidding. Where have you been?

Clintons were backstabbing Kerry during his entire primary and general in 2003-4:
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Bill used his 3wk summer2004 book tour appearances to confirm his support of Bush's decisions on terrorism and Iraq war and 'defend' Bush from criticisms of the left:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Then Carville screwed over Ohio voters and Kerry on election night:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Then Hillary pops up and sides with Bush over Kerry in 2006:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

And you want to pretend that Kerry isn't fair? Sheesh - he's as fair as a person can get. I would have been urging him to really let loose and tell what he knows about the Clintons - PUBLICLY.

[blm]

22. Bill slam-dunked HIS OWN INTEGRITY. You're pissed that Kerry noticed and said so.

BTW - There would be no President Bill Clinton in 1993 if it hadn't been for SENATOR KERRY uncovering IranContra and BCCI which kept STEADY BAD HEADLINES in the media all through 1992 and straight through to election day.

Ever think about THAT, sunshine?

[bicentennial_baby]

30. THANK YOU!!!

:applause:

[cali]

39. amplify that and that's precisely what YOU, little bitler

get from me.

[Clintonista2]

41. Oh no, I just realized. This Clinton blowout is gonna mean even more Cali complaining!

EEEP!!

[elixir]

58. Shame on you, Cali. Just keep the labels to yourself.

You ask others to be civil on the post and then throw a nasty label.

[sniffa]

103. He's such a fucking maggot

seriously. The only reason he's not on ignore anymore for me, is because he posts so many disgusting things, I enjoy alerting on him to add to his Tombstone-meter.

However, he just went back on it.

I've decided my candidate, and all these shitbags can go fuck themselves.

[ChiciB1]

62. Hatfield's & McCoy's A La Washington D.C. Style! It Has Done MORE

to fracture the Democratic Party than most even realize! Both Clinton & Obama KNOW what is being done, and BOTH won't STOP it!

As for me... I didn't think I COULD lose anymore respect for what has been happening to the Democrats! I thought the worst thing were the DLC'ers, but NOW I see it RUNS RAMPANT!! No wonder NOTHING gets done!

All a bunch of kids and don't even acknowledge it!! THE worst part though... THESE KIDS are playing with OUR COUNTRY!!

Most are riding around on a bicycle with SQUARE wheels!

Here's a quote from the Roman Poet Juvenal: "The people that once bestowed commands, consulships, legions, and all else, now concerns itself no more, and longs eagerly for just two things -- bread and circuses!! BREAD and CIRCUSES! Very appropriate to me!!

This is what this country has become... the fodder for insatiable curiosity and Media driven hype!!

[Maribelle]

99. He told 1.5 million registered democrats in florida their votes don't count.

So for all 1.5 million of my fellow Floridians I say

ditto with the GBFU

[sniffa]

101. Oh, when did he do that?

He didn't.

You do Hillary so fucking proud. :patriot:

[PretzelWarrior]

3. no doubt. bunch of whiners and front runners. pathetic.

you only WISH you could lead and do the things those men did for the American people.

[Clintonite]

4. Fuck that! All we heard for 3 days was the Kennedy endorsements!

[bicentennial_baby]

11. Becasue they are an important political family...

And have done a hell of a lot for this country. Blame the MSM, if it bothers you so much.

[Clintonite]

26. So are the Clintons! So show some fucking respect!

[Danger Mouse]

48. You know nothing of respect.

[SallyMander]

55. Wow... class act here, folks

:eyes:

[AlCzervik]

just shut the hell up Mr. "Fuck Al Gore", nothing but noise from you.

[blm]

94. Wha? Don't tell me someone got away with directing that level of venom at Gore?

Gore has done nothing but good for this country for years while the Clintons undermine and smear any Democrat that they have perceived to be in their way.

[AlCzervik]

98. oh yeah, this dickwad poster says "FUCK AL GORE" in WillyT threads earlier.

[blm]

102. I hope it got deleted. There is no cause at all for that attack on someone completely

removed from this primary battle.

[PretzelWarrior]

64. Clinton's are only a few years removed from Arkansas backwater.

so, no. they aren't an IMPORTANT political family. what? all 3 of them? give me a break.

[Tarheel_Dem]

well it's not a good idea to piss off the people who admire these

two men. Afterall, you've won bragging rights, but that's about all...IT'S THE DELEGATES, STUPID.

[bicentennial_baby]

29. And it matters in the GE...

My vote may not be forthcoming, if this shit keeps up...

[Tarheel_Dem]

74. I could not agree more....

I've seen more ugliness from so-called progressives on this board than ever before. pitting latinos against blacks. gays against blacks. let me just say that as a black person, come November i don't know that i'll be inclined to bother, and if enough of us are feeling this way, I don't think it portends well for the GE.

[rodeodance]

92. all of sudden we are suspose to make nice after the outlandish behavior by so many on this board!!

[TheDeathadder]

Turn back time about a week back

and get the Kennedys to call off the charge.

[incapsulated]

8. Maybe if it hadn't been rammed down our throats

As the second coming of Jesus because of these two endorsements 24/7 you think?

[EFerrari]

32. Holy cow. Clinton has been rammed down our throats for over a year.

[incapsulated]

61. Any you guys have been whining and bitching about it for a year

To the point where you have convinced yourself she is the anti-christ and Obama is the Messiah.

I don't go in for hysterics.

[EFerrari]

65. Who are us guys? People who want to choose a candidate?

That's not hysterics, that's called democracy.

And, I didn't vote for Obama today, thanks.

[incapsulated]

70. The people on this forum and on the blogs

I do not doubt my own eyes.

I've never seen such vicious hatred for a democrat in my life.

[EFerrari]

76. Then you need glasses because not only is your assessment

one sided but you are lashing out at people like me who are not involved in the bloodletting.

[JohnnyLib2]

9. R-e-s-p-e-c-t

I'm with you. :thumbsup:

[bicentennial_baby]

14. Merci.

:thumbsup:

[ronnykmarshall]

18. Sock it to me, sock it to me, sock to me!

Here's to the Queen of Soul!!

:toast:

[ronnykmarshall]

10. WORD!

[bicentennial_baby]

19. Thanks babe!

Means a lot from you :pals:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

12. funny how the music has changed around here tonight

[DawgHouse]

28. That's the truth.

[jillan]

13. Agreed!

[bicentennial_baby]

20. Thanks

:)

[AlCzervik]

15. i was happy for Obama, i would have been happy for Clinton as well, my God

people get so worked up when people express their opinion. Kerry and Kennedy were my senators too and they both represented well.

[bicentennial_baby]

21. And they continue to do so...

:)

[Coexist]

16. it is not right

they are always on the correct side of the issues we care about.

I love them both!

[bicentennial_baby]

23. *Almost* always, and that's enough for me...

I say this only as a MAsshole. I'm very dedicated to my Senators, and this makes me sick. Our memories are so short...jeebus. x(

[tammywammy]

17. Agreed

Thank you. :)

[bicentennial_baby]

25. I'm fuming...

And not as an Obama voter, but as a lifeling MAsshole...This is fucked up. Sigh.

[Yossariant]

24. Sure .. as soon as Obama's side drops the Bill Clinton slams.

:wtf:

[bicentennial_baby]

34. Irrelevant.

Clinton's career doesn't hold a candle to theirs combined, frankly.

[karynnj]

97. Bill Clinton has been called on things he did and said

and someone has to do that. You forget that ALL Democrats spent over a decade in lock step defense of him, even when he was clearly in the wrong. I reserve the right to say that an action of anybody - whether Clinton, Obama, Kerry, Kennedy etc.

[BootinUp]

27. Agreed, thanks. nt

[Mass]

31. Agree - And thanks for the Clinton supporters who have been supportive through the other threads!

[bicentennial_baby]

36. Yes!

Agreed! :toast:

[Danger Mouse]

33. Kick and recommended.

[bicentennial_baby]

37. Thank you!

:toast:

[Danger Mouse]

40. No problem.

The attacks on Kennedy and Kerry are completely uncalled for.
:toast:
I actually used the ignore function for the first time tonight :P

[bicentennial_baby]

45. I agree, and while it's not my first time,

I had to add a few more this evening...Un-freaking-believable. :o

:toast:

[Danger Mouse]

59. I used to pride myself on not putting people on ignore.

Now, however, that I've done it once, I have a short list of usual suspects that would look mighty fine on my list...
at least till the primary madness subsides.

[SallyMander]

35. Sooooo with ya

God damn... what am i doing in GDP??? :crazy:

[bicentennial_baby]

38. I had to speak up...

It's f'd up, and I can't be quiet...Like I said, if they had endorsed Clinton, I wouldn't act like this. No way.

:hug:

[SallyMander]

42. They are two great Americans

and i don't use that phrase loosely!

:hug:

[bicentennial_baby]

47. Completely agreed.

:toast:

:hug:

[Chovexani]

43. I dunno but I got lost on the way to the bar

:crazy:

[SallyMander]

53. Shoot, i'm gonna follow you!

Do you know how to get out of this part of town??? :D

:hug:

[Chovexani]

63. My mama told me to not even stop for gas here

I think she was right. :scared:

Get in and lock the door behind you. And for God's sake DON'T OPEN THE WINDOWS

:rofl:

[SallyMander]

71. ...

:rofl:


:loveya:

[Anarcho-Socialist]

44. Good idea

It was so unnecessarily vindictive.

[bicentennial_baby]

49. Thank you!

My feelings exactly. :)

[tandot]

46. No slams from me.

I have great respect for both of them.

[bicentennial_baby]

52. Rock on.

I don't care who supports who, I just hate seeing this tearing down of two of the best Dem Senators we've ever had, overall. x(

:)

[HughMoran]

50. Agreed - it's unbecoming

Please stop!

[JoFerret]

51. Yes. But they disappointed me

Very much. they are now "dead to me".

[bicentennial_baby]

60. That's fine, although I don't know why they're dead to you...

They wouldn't be to me if they had endorsed Clinton, who I detest...I can separate an endorsement from their actions as Senators. Maybe you can't? :shrug:

[boston bean]

54. BB, they should have never tried to influence this. They embarassed themselves.

It was wrong to do it before super tuesday, they should have waited until after ST.

[Mass]

66. Well, you do not have a pb with Frank and McGovern endorsing Clinton,

or Rich Neal? Did you? (I know I did not). So, why the problem with Kennedy and Kerry.

[bicentennial_baby]

68. It is their decision, BUT, I think it is wrong

to slam them as if they had never had any effect on the course of national politics and to write them off forever b/c of this one endorsement. IF they had endorsed Hillary, I wouldn't slam them, ever. I respect their feelings and have much respect for them, regardless. And all should do the same. Calm down people.

[Jamastiene]

56. I won't slam Kerry or Kennedy.

Haven't yet and won't. I see where some people are doing it though. :shrug:

[bicentennial_baby]

69. It's inexplicable to me, really...

:wtf:

:hi:

[Tom Rinaldo]

57. I couldn't agree more. Thank You n/t

[bicentennial_baby]

73. You're welcome.

:)

[jlake]

67. Kerry shouldn't shit all over a Dem who was actually elected President.

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

[bicentennial_baby]

77. Kerry is his own man, and one of the best Senators

we have ever had in recent history. You shouldn't let your love for a candidate blind you to that. It's sad. :(

[jlake]

79. I love Kerry. But he has crossed the line - I will NOT attack his record, but he

has disappointed me. Even though you support Obama, I think you can see that Kerry's anti-Clinton rhetoric was as damaging to the party as what you are complaining about here.

[bicentennial_baby]

82. It goes both ways though...

I think both sides are damaging the party in their own ways...And I'm not surprised, it's a non-incumbent election, things are bound to get shaken up. And I'm ok with that on both sides of the Dem debate. It's not a bad thing. We need some f'n healthy debate, not all kumbaya...BUT, I think we can disagree without tearing down 2 men who have dedicated their lives to service and who have served well. Your mileage may vary. :)

[karynnj]

106. Kerry has simply answers questions on Clinton's slams

against Obama. Clinton lied on Obama's position on Iraq saying he said he was "close to Bush" in 2004.

I have seen General Clark speak in Clintons favor - and against Obama. I still think the same of Clark - he was an excellent advocate for Kerry and he is now one for HRC.

Bill Clinton has attacked Obama is ways that are dishonest - Give me an example where Kerry has attacked HRC dishonestly - he hasn't. Why are they held to different standards?

[blm]

118. Take Kerry out of it completely and you STILL have Bill acting like a bitter asshat

who chose to appeal to the racist vote.

[Maddy McCall]

72. It's as unbecoming as Obama supporters insulting Gavin Newsom.

I've seen NOW smeared.
I've seen NARAL smeared.
Today, the most disgusting was seeing someone smear Gavin Newsom for supporting gay rights.

It's been ugly all the way around. :(

[bicentennial_baby]

78. I thought you had me on ignore? But, I agree...

It's ugly all over, I just take this one very personally, as a lifelong MAsshole. :)

[Maddy McCall]

81. I don't have anyone on ignore.

Except for one radio person whose post make me want to gouge myself. :rofl:

I took everyone off ignore after the Heath Ledger discussions that ensued in the lounge.


Edited to add: Oh yeah, and two other people--one from Bama and the other from Vegas.

[bicentennial_baby]

85. Ha!

I only have that Radio person on PM ignore... :rofl:

:toast: When do y'all vote?

[Maddy McCall]

86. March 11.

Mississippi has never "mattered" as much as it will on March 11.

I predict an Obama victory in Mississippi. By a landslide.

I'm voting for Hillary, but even my Southern Baptist deacon dad is voting for Obama.

:D

[bicentennial_baby]

87. Exciting for y'all!

Happy voting!! :hi:

[Maddy McCall]

88. Thanks!

Got a month to wait, though. That's why I'm hoping that there's no "clear winner" tonight.

Great thing is, NO ONE loses this time. We've got two great candidates, and we win with whomever takes the nomination.

:D

[bicentennial_baby]

90. I agree!!

I almost wish that we still had our March primary, it could mean SO much more.

There is no clear winner tonight, as far as I can see, and I love it! I just wish a few more Dems were still in it, to make it even more competitive.

I'm glad that we agree on this, and that you don't have me on ignore. I know that you have had bad feelings towards me in the past, and I'm sorry for that, since we used to get along. :pals:

[Iceburg]

83. Obamites have smeared the Clintons, the Edwards, Joe Wilson, GLBT and WOMEN!

I will forgive, but I will not forget.

[LiberalHeart]

112. And Paul Krugman.

[EFerrari]

84. I'm not an Obama supporter and you don't know Gavin Newsom.

What kind of myopia do you need to make such a statement?

But, thanks anyway. We have to deal with His Corporate Negligence here, you don't. And my support for the GLBT community goes back more than twenty years.

[karynnj]

108. NOW was criticized for an over the top attack

that was written by the head of the NY chapter - that I believe the national organization disavowed. The criticism was well deserved - they are not sacrosanct.

[Bluerthanblue]

75. Thank you for this-

:hi:

peace~

(we are all in this together)

[bicentennial_baby]

80. Yes we are!

:hi:

[SeattleGirl]

91. Amen, babykins

I have a lot of respect for both of them, too.

[bicentennial_baby]

93. Thank you sweetie!!

This really isn't about the election for me, it's about the men I've voted for, and my parents have voted for, for so long...It's damn wrong to belittle them b/c they didn't do what some people wanted. They are so much more than an endorsement, to me.

:hug:

:loveya:

[SeattleGirl]

95. You said it.

I have enormously high regard for both of them, especially for Senator Kennedy. The glee with which some people greeted the news of Clinton winning MA, by kicking Kerry and Kennedy, pisses me off. It's as if they are writing off each and every thing those two men have ever done for the Democratic party.

-------------------------------

:loveya: :hug: :loveya:

[bicentennial_baby]

100. Exactly....

And I wouldn't begrudge the Hillary supporters if it had gone the other way, truly. You said it, and it's damn wrong.

:loveya: :hug: :loveya:

[JackBeck]

104. Agreed, my friend.

It's pathetic and anti-Democratic. We knew it was coming, but when so-called progressives knock Kerry and Kennedy, it reeks of desperation.

[bicentennial_baby]

107. It reeks of...something.

I don't know what. it's nasty though.

:hug:

[JackBeck]

109. The Northeast elite broke out the stinky cheese.

To go with their Shiraz.

:pals:

[bicentennial_baby]

111. And i've got the Pinot Noir

:P

:pals:

[Hill_YesWeWill]

113. Easy! I've never slammed them anyway, I love 'em

and I think in the end they want the same thing as Hillary supporters, a Dem in the White House, they just disagreed with the best way to make that happen. That's ok by me, they are free people, I respect their decision.

[bicentennial_baby]

114. Rock on...

:thumbsup:

[CyberPieHole]

117. They deserve the same treatment they give the Clintons...No more no less...