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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:42 PM
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Obama doing better than Hillary in states with the highest proportion of conservative Democrats
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 09:43 PM by jackson_dem
Obama's best states are the ones with the highest proportion of Al From types (Kansas, Idaho, Utah, North Dakota). How can this be? I thought Hillary is tailor made for DLC kind of Democrats while Barack is a progressive saint? :shrug:
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:44 PM
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1. I bet a bunch of congressmen are going to figure out which side their bread is buttered on.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:14 PM
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19. You folks keep thinking that the Clintons are regarded as insiders elites.
They are not. They never have been. They are hated by these people.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:44 PM
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2. So Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Arkansas are bastions of liberalism now?
Give me a break.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:47 PM
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3. AR is her home state. OK and TN are neighbors
Her winning OK as as surprising as Barack winning Iowa or Indiana. In ND, Idaho, and Utah neither candidate has a built in advantage. Obama's KS numbers are higher than normal because he has some ties to it.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:50 PM
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5. I'm not sure what your point is then.
Hillary does well in red states because she has ties to them, and Obama does well in Kansas because he has ties and in others because?

I'd also like to point out that if Obama does well in these predominantly white states it certainly kills the Clintonian meme of him being the "black candidate."
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:53 PM
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7. Look at what happens in Utah, Idaho, and North Dakota tonight
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 10:01 PM by jackson_dem
The point? Obama is as centrist/DLC or as liberal as Hillary is. That is why he does so well with the most conservative Democrats. If he were as progressive as people think he is relative to Hillary he would be losing these states, not dominating them.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:18 PM
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22. Care to explain Obama's good showing in CT, genius?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:50 PM
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4. I hate to say it, but Tennessee is not known for liberal attitudes towards people of color.
I lived there for quite a few years. Not surprising to me they'd back Hillary. I don't consider this a major feather in her cap.

Look at the ads in Tennessee that were aired against whoever the Dem candidate was that lost the Senate race. I can't even remember his name now :(
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southern_dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:51 PM
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6. Harold Ford Jr. n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:54 PM
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8. As DLC as it gets.
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adabfree Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:13 PM
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14. As a black woman that lived in Tennesse briefly let me say...
It is a scary, backward place....and colored folk should be scared...lmao
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:01 PM
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9. Perhaps conservative Democrats are not voting. n/t
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:02 PM
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10. Why? They are as real Democrats as anyone else
They vote too. DU is not the Democratic Party.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:10 PM
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12. Why? Perhaps some conservative Democrats believe Clinton and Obama are just too liberal on issues
that divide the Democratic Party and the nation.

Since Clinton and Obama are effectively the only two candidates, their only choice is not to vote. :shrug:

That's just my opinion.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:14 PM
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16. They vote every other year. Why not this time?
Clinton and Obama aren't much more liberal than Kerry and Gore were.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 12:54 AM
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28. See #12. n/t
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:03 PM
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11. so liberal dems are voting for clinton?
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:43 PM
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26. No. Liberal Dems are voting for Obama.
Clinton is cleaning up with Conservative Democrats. Both according to CNN exit polls.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:46 PM
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27. yet she is winning in liberal states more than conservative states?
somehow that doesnt compute
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:12 PM
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13. Strangely, Hillary does best in blue state rural areas
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:13 PM
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15. Consider that Obama had the most liberal record in the Senate last year
That's a good thing that conservative dems see past the charade that Hillary puts forth.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:14 PM
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17. is Minnesota known for conservative Democrats?
(Obama 64%, Clinton 34%, 20% reporting, http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#MN)
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:38 PM
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24. nope - so much for that theory!
:hi:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:14 PM
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18. Democrats in the south usually don't have a choice.
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 10:17 PM by mmonk
It's mostly legend sold by the party apparatus.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:15 PM
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20. How is it your dear St John of the Hedge Fund
is only clocking in in conservative states? How is it that Obama is competitive in CT.

What a profoundly stupid and hateful post from a real hater.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:42 PM
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25. That you are attacking John Edwards in a thread that isn't about him, where he hasn't been mentioned
and he's no longer even in the race, tells me all I need to know about YOU.

Obamania has really made some people lose their fucking mind around here.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:15 PM
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21. Those are states with the lowest percentage of Democrats too. nt
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 10:15 PM by Jim4Wes
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:34 PM
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23. Conservatives have supported Obama, Obama goes
for GOPers. Interesting.
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