Kerry: stop harrassing people who aren't 100% behind me...

[AmyStrange]

sure he probably hasn't said it yet, but here's why he should:

It looks like he's getting a million dollars a day right now. That's over 200 million by the election. Keep at it folks.

Volunteering for Kerry and sending money is tremendously more productive than all these threads harrassing folks here in the DU who are not 100% behind Kerry.

I just don't understand the point? Has harrassing folks ever worked? Has it ever turned people around and "miraculosly" made them decide to donate time and money? Has it ever been the deciding factor in getting people to vote for your Guy/ Gal?

Besides, do y'all really think that the number of DUers here will ever be the deciding majority that ever swings any national election.

If it could or did, what does that say about Kerry's "electability".

I personally believe that alot of this harrassment has nothing to do with getting Kerry elected as much as it has to do with personal meanness and being able to be mean to people and and getting the chance to do it and getting other people to hoot and hollar in your favor in a public forum and the feeling of importance that comes with that and liking THAT alot more than anything to do with getting Kerry elected.

And, if Kerry loses in Nov because of these tactics, folks using those tactics won't care, because getting Kerry elected wasn't the real goal,


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[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

1. That is as whiney as it gets.

Nobody is really paying attention to the miniscule anti-Kerry crowd anymore.

[AmyStrange]

3. good to hear (n/t)

4. then why did you answer?

Just asking.

& this isn't really what you were talking about I know, but I'd say the anti-Kerry crowd is not miniscule, it's probably somewhere around 50% of the electorate.

[AmyStrange]

6. really? 50%?

is this just a gut feeling? I can understand gut feelings,

d

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

12. That was my Ro-Bot friend. Not me.

And yes, roughly half of the US is anti-Kerry. The retarded half - Bush supporters.

The anti-Kerry DU'ers are a much smaller group. Probably 4 or 5 high school students.

[AmyStrange]

13. I apologize for asking this...

why are you half man half biscuit. No disrespect. I like it. Reminds me of kittens in the oven don't make them biscuits. Quite clever actually,

d

[NightNurse]

25. Bullseye!

If you had to prove conclusively that you had ALREADY voted in Two or more Presidential Elections in order to post here, the OCB Anti-Kerry Krowd would be nearly non existent

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[redsoxliberal]

103. Kerry is almost as bad as Bush.

Almost.

[seaglass]

2. Is there a reason that you keep posting this? n/t

[AmyStrange]

Is there a reason...

why you care specifically. I ask this because I really want to know. Maybe I am missing something that could really help me in the future,

d

[saltpoint]

21. You may want to examine the impact of your --

-- "not really behind Kerry" position in regard to that future.

I'm sort of into Roe v. Wade. The future matters.

We'd like your support and vote, but you seem to want to antagonize.

[AmyStrange]

35. I am merely trying to explain...

how harrasing folks now will hurt Kerry in the future - shouldn't that be considered pro-Kerry? You don't think the Kerry team is discussing this right now?

d

[saltpoint]

38. I somehow doubt that the Kerry team is hanging on --

- your every syllable, no.

Nor would they want you aboard if this is the best you can muster for the party's candidate.

I wouldn't want you around to depend on for extra work if your support is so volatile.

[seaglass]

49. Because I clicked on it and it was a waste of my time to read

the same exact thing twice. But that's ok I've learned something for the future and it involves not clicking. Thanks.

[AmyStrange]

62. no prob...

and I appreciate the reply,

d

[saltpoint]

18. I'll venture a guess. The original poster used the word --

--"harrassing" for a reason.

I guess that's what it is.

===edit: typo

[jpgray]

5. I don't see any threads like that on the front page. (nt)

[AmyStrange]

8. Just hang around this tread...

for a little while and they may come out of the woodworks. They don't start threads as much as...

d

[saltpoint]

16. "They" ? Who's 'They'?

We're Democrats.

Have you changed parties?

[saltpoint]

58. "out of the woodwork"

No. Nothing provocative about that.

Anti-Kerry provocateur.

[saltpoint]

7. It feels like you're playing dolls with the candidate.

In a handful of terms as a U.S. Senator and prior to that as a soldier, the man appears quite capable of speaking for himself.

This is a FORUM. You may well encounter people with well-formed opinions, including opinions to those you hold on this subject.

People who are not behind the candidate are not required here or anywhere else to vote for him. We'd like to have a lot of people voting for the Democratic candidate. We'd like Bush gone.

Those should not be problematic goals.

[AmyStrange]

10. agreed...

but I should be allowed as much permission as anyone else to raise a thesis and try and prove it. Of course Nov will really tell the tale and these discussions will be secondary,

d

[saltpoint]

14. If you want to elevate yourself into a higher plain on --

-- the matter, why are you posting at all? Why not jump in yourself and join the Kerry campaign as a volunteer?

We frankly don't need the lecturing.

Your "threat" of a November election is an election long-scheduled whether you cite it as a "test" or not.

Throw in with the big picture or don't, but we don't need instruction on our share of the action.

[AmyStrange]

26. Thanx...

I really appreciate what you are saying. I am not anti-kerry. I am anti-harrassing those people whom are not 100% behind Kerry.

Frankly I do need the lecturing,

d

[Hav]

27. ok you have got a point

But what about those who harass Kerry supporters?

[AmyStrange]

37. hey I can't do everything...

but I'm willing to help if I can,

d

[saltpoint]

39. Then begin by endorsing the party's candidate, as --

-- the moderators have done.

And stop bitching that your candidate didn't win the primaries.

They're pretty over by now.

[AmyStrange]

44. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

"bitching that your candidate didn't win the primaries"

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

thanx ghost. I really appreciated that,

d

[saltpoint]

50. Then provide another reason why you're dissing Kerry.

Or take back your ha has's

[AmyStrange]

54. how am I dissing Kerry?

That's what I don't understand? I'm trying to help here,

d

[saltpoint]

56. Just check your other posts of recent weeks.

You'll discern the same pattern we have.

[AmyStrange]

60. Thanx for explaining - NOT

I want Bush out of office. How I get him out of office is my own business. You have your own way fine. You want to complain fine, but my post helps more than the harrasment post, because they are trying to stop something that could hurt Kerry.

We don't agree fine, but I don't go into your post and harras you,

d

[saltpoint]

63. Your post's intent was to harrass.

You knew that from last night's thread, for example, and you do it again tonight.

Not much of a contribution to anyone's campaign.

If you want to help, do it and stop lecturing DUers on their focus and dedication to a candidate.

Admit what you did was deliberately provocative, amy.

[AmyStrange]

65. and how would that be any different...

than anything anyone does here in the DU?

d

[saltpoint]

66. Sorry, no sale.

Posts differ.

Yours tonight is distinct in the negative.

The difference is enormous.

And demonstrable.

[AmyStrange]

70. don't care

your post aren't exactly sunshine positive either,

d

[saltpoint]

74. Here you go.

"they" as in 'other'

"out of the woodwork" equates to crawly things

-----

These are from your posts tonight.

You can find your own from last night.

Your post is divisive and deliberately so.

You don't admit it because you enjoy being the ingniter.

In college dorms this is euphemistically referred to as the Yoko Ono Affect.

NightNurse nailed it tonight. A bullseye.

[AmyStrange]

76. all thread starters are igniters NEXT (n/t)

[saltpoint]

80. No they aren't. Yours tonight was, though.

Deliberately intended to divide.

[AmyStrange]

77. excuse me while I go do some more igniting...

[saltpoint]

81. Why not just post this post a third time?

You've posted it twice already.

[AmyStrange]

116. I'm gonna post it from now until Nov...

Hope you can keep up and help me spread the word by keeping them up towards the top of whatever forum they appear in.

Thanx and by the way, here's something for you:

((((HUGz))))

d

(hehehehe edited board for forum)

[saltpoint]

28. After posting obviously provocative posts that run --

-- against Senator Kerry, you play sweet and nice just to enjoy the ruckus you cause.

Son-a-gun.

[AmyStrange]

42. ??????????

what are you talking about?

What rukus? What sweet talk?

This is a reasoned attempt to stop harrasment because this only hurts Kerry?

I don't see how that is being "against kerry"?

d

[saltpoint]

45. It's just beyond your grasp, perhaps.

Your posts last night took the same path.

This one does also.

If you have words you want to put in Kerry's mouth, contact his campaign team.

Don't lecture people here on their grasp of the campaign when it is at LEAST as good as yours.

[AmyStrange]

57. nope...

that's what this forum is about. But, I do appreciate what you have to say,

d

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[RetroLounge]

93. Seems like the only ruckus was your reply.

But I could be wrong...

[saltpoint]

100. In fact you are wrong.

[MurikanDemocrat]

9. That will get better here as time goes on. But there are other things

that have been suggested for people who cannot get behind Kerry that can be helpful for the 2004 Election. Like getting involved in local elections, donating to local representatives and campaigning for them, etc.

Efforts don't have to be specifically for Kerry. If we are fortunate enough to have him replace Bush, he will need a Democratic Congress to work with, and that will take a while. The work on that won't stop with 2004. We can't sit on our butts once we get him in there this time like we did with Clinton.

:hi:

[AmyStrange]

11. exactly...

and well said my friend,

d

:hi:

[hellhathnofury]

40. And that's exactly what we're doing.

Someone should send David Dreier a helmet, I believe in fair play.

[MurikanDemocrat]

46. Yes I saw what you were doing in another thread

:eyes:

[saltpoint]

51. Indeed.

[hellhathnofury]

106. This is DU. Not real life. This place would be dull if no one were arguing

This place will never ever be a Kerry circle jerk, and it's futile to try to make it one.

I'm active in my grassroots locally, that's what I ment and you know it. Stop with the personal attacks.

[Hav]

15. No offense...

I don't know whether you realised it but you posted the same thing not even one hour ago which I think is a little bit strange...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=441776#442042 (enter the loop)

[saltpoint]

19. A bit strange.

Yes.

[AmyStrange]

24. a lot strange if you ask me (n/t)

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[DuctapeFatwa]

17. Good post! And post 4 has nailed it too

Gore did not win by a whole hell of a lot.

Almost half the voters voted for bush when he was not an incumbent, and the country was not in any overt on-CNN type wars.

If Kerry supporters want to beat bush, trying to convince people who are opposed to US policies no matter who implements them is not going to help you.

That is a very small number of voters, anyway.

What there is a lot more of are voters who either support the status quo, or aren't sure what it means and don't really care but who have simply become disenchanted with bush's persona, and/or don't feel like bush is doing a good job of implementing the policy.

Spend your energies on convincing those people that Kerry will do a BETTER job of implementing the status quo.

[saltpoint]

22. Well it just wouldn't be an official anti-Kerry post --

-- without you, Duct.

No surprise to see you entering stage left. Far left.

[NightNurse]

31. The Term BLOVIATE leaps to mind!

:puffpiece: Is the ACP* is still active...

[saltpoint]

33. Ok stop -- I'm spilling my Pabst Blue Ribbon all over --

-- the computer!

:)

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[AmyStrange]

43. thank you...

I appreciate your refering to this as "sweet-and-nice" act.

[saltpoint]

52. sweet and nice. You set the tone to provoke --

-- and then you revert to a little miss sweet-and-nice.

Your work. Not ours.

[AmyStrange]

68. provoke discussion yes

and what's wrong with being "Miss sweet-and-nice"?

:hi:

d

(edit: AmyStrange my kitty jumped on the keyboard)

[saltpoint]

69. Miss Sweet-and-Nice wouldn't use terms like --

-- "out of the woodwork" to describe other DUers as you have here.

You define yourself with conflict -- that's up to you..

It's up to us if we consider it deceitful and smarmy.

[AmyStrange]

73. since I'm "Miss Sweet-and-Nice"...

yes I would,

d

[saltpoint]

82. Once you've iced the cake, amystrange, it's iced.

No need for extra coats.

[AmyStrange]

75. "deceitful and smarmy"...

so I assume then that means you are "for" harrassing people who are not 100% kerry,

d

[saltpoint]

83. Your fingerprints are on the accusation from your --

-- original post.

You should own them.

You've been called on your trick tonight.

It wasn't even a nice try.

[DuctapeFatwa]

34. did you know there's an Official War on Anti-Kerryism thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x436445

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[DuctapeFatwa]

47. Levity corrupts the morals and encourages lewdness. It opens the door

of the soul to Satan. You are quite right to eschew it.

Here is a link to the Cotton Mather homepage so that you can reflect and give thanks for the grace and strength of character to resist the wiles of the unwholesome who would lure you down the brimstone path.

http://www.gty.org/~phil/mather.htm

[saltpoint]

53. You couldn't pass my class on literary antecedents, --

-- Duct.

And no thanks -- can't go there tonight anyway -- it's my bowling night. At Mainstream Alleys.

[DuctapeFatwa]

64. It would be very discourteous for me to do so

I am grieved that you would consider me so insensitive to your feelings. Especially on your bowling night ;)

[saltpoint]

67. You should probably check out some poetry by --

-- Ezra Pound.

I'm pretty sure you'd like it.

[DuctapeFatwa]

71. with all due respect to Mr Pound

I am somewhat partial to the works of my avatar :)

[saltpoint]

72. Point granted, but I think you need to add some Ezra --

-- Pound right away.

No kidding -- it's really good stuff.

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[saltpoint]

30. Bingo City.

Also, I love the Emily's List avatar. Very nice.

[AmyStrange]

48. blushing

"sweetie pie"

and "WELCOME TO THE DU"

d

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[RetroLounge]

97. Wow! Such original attacks.

LOL. My oh my, your good.

[saltpoint]

102. Don't worry -- I won't tell anybody, RetroLounge.

Really. Mum's the word.

Your drive-bys this evening suggest a puerile streak.

Well, no. They INDICATE a puerile streak.

Wow! They INDICATE a puerile streak.

Have another hunk of cheese and call us in the morning.

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[NightTrain]

78. Well put!

I, too, am at a loss to understand all this Kerry-bashing. If these folks are waiting for a presidential candidate without flaws, they'll be waiting an awfully long time!

I've heard it said (by people who've worked with Kerry) that if he's surrounded only by corporate lobbyists, he tends to bend to their will. But if grass-roots people keep after Kerry, you can usually depend on him to do the right thing.

Kerry wasn't my first choice either, but if he has a chance of getting Bush the hell out of that White House, then it seems to me we need to get behind the senator and give him our full support.

[saltpoint]

84. Night Train -- I luv you, dude, but with due respect --

-- you have to see what's taken place.

amystrange is anti-Kerry. The post is asking that people who are for Kerry to allow the anti-Kerry folks to savage the candidate.

That's why she was jumped on. That's why Nightnurse and I and others said what we said.

The moderators have indicated that Kerry is the likely candidate and we ought generally to be FOR him. amystrange and others are waging a guerilla war against people supporting Kerry on this site.

I love every syllable of what you just wrote, but don't direct at toward someone working against that goal.

[NightTrain]

87. Whoops! Sorry about that.

That's what I get for posting to DU while simultaneously trying to broadcast a radio show! :eyes:

[saltpoint]

90. Our guess is you're doing a great job tonight --

-- last week you were really tired, remember -- someone did't show up and you had to do the whole night?

Well, play those people some great tunes.

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[saltpoint]

91. Dr. Dean, a great man in my view --

-- has said he will support the Democratic nominee against Bush. I ask nothing more than that. Sorry if that's too much for you to sacrifice. If you don't want to do it, pout as long as you want -- the rest of us will do the heavy lifting now to November.

My precinct work with the party goes back to 64. If your record of service is longer, please accept my kind acknowledgment. If it is equal or less, you might want to re-evaluate your slam on my dedication to the party. After all, in addition to the years of volunteer and paid service, I am supporting our nominee. You don't seem to be.

'Consul' is not spelled with an 'e'.

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[saltpoint]

96. Good luck on the Dean campaign, Melinda.

[zulchzulu]

86. Who do you support if not the Democratic nominee?

BTW, I've not seen anyone "harass" anyone. Usually it's a reality check...

[saltpoint]

89. Good post, zulchzulu.

These anti-Kerry folks can't seem to come to grips with a choice. I can't tell WHO they'll vote for. But this happens to be a pro-Kerry website. So they might want to ask themselves where they stand. The rest of us, no matter our favorite first choice, have past this point in the road.

[AmyStrange]

107. I support getting Bush out of office...

Isn't that the whole point here? That's the real reality check - not that just because you can't see the harrassment doesn't mean that it isn't here. And just because some folks seem to think I'm anti-Kerry does that mean that I am.

Judge for yourself and don't let anyone else tell you what to think - including me,

d

[RetroLounge]

98. What I really enjoy is all the Kerry ASS KISSING

and simultaneous non-Kerry-supporter bashing that goes on here, this thread being a good example.

Not a Ghost of a chance it will change...

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[AmyStrange]

101. You're right...

and the funny part is that none of them realize that they are all basicly proving my point that it will not help get Kerry elected.

But, obviously getting Kerry elected is not their highest priority,

d

[regnaD kciN]

104. It just goes to show...

...that, for some "Democrats," (DLC et. al.) beating the Republicans isn't as important as driving people who are "too liberal" (or otherwise don't do as they're told by the party elite) out of the Democratic Party.

:-(

[saltpoint]

108. Another consideration worth making --

-- might be that those who imagine themselves as too liberal and pure to focus on the goal at hand are undermining the cause overall.

That would suggest a certain ego-level involvement that does not lend itself to group efforts.

[AmyStrange]

109. That is sad...

very sad indeed. Glad some people can see that,

d

[saltpoint]

111. "Old Yeller" was sadder.

You should rent it.

[AmyStrange]

113. I will...

now go and help get Kerry elected and quit wasting your time here in this thread,

d

[WillyT]

105. It's A Saturday Night And I Don't Like My Candidate...

I got some money
Cause I just got paid
Oh how I wish I could vote for somebody else
I'm in an awful way

Everybody SING!!!

:hi::evilgrin::hi:

I hear what your sayin Dave, and I agree.

:hi:

And Ghost, man... are you earnest or what??? And persistent, LOL!!!

Peace!!! :hippie:

[saltpoint]

110. Thanks for the encouraging words, WillyT.

You're truly a good person.

And you sing very well.

[AmyStrange]

112. Thanx...

it's tough telling the truth as you well know,

d

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115. Thanx...

I appreciate the kind words,

d

[Moderator]

117. locked

this has gone on long enough