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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:19 PM
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My perception is that Obama is winning in conservative states and Clinton in Liberal states
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 10:26 PM by Husb2Sparkly
Does that mean anything?

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:20 PM
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1. It means that Obama draws in moderates. NT
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:20 PM
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2. Caucus states too...

..have something to do with it. I wouldn't call Minnesota a conservative state, but it did hold a caucus.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:20 PM
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3. It means that if he was nominee, he would win all the traditional blue states, and
also flip some purple states, and may even pick up a red state. It's a recipe for a Dem win.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:20 PM
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4. Not sure, but so far BO is kicking ass in Minnesota,
an infamously liberal state.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:20 PM
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5. It means Hillary is a LIBERAL Democrat and OBAMA is something else.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:21 PM
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10. Wrong, it means old labels applied by old labellers are getting worn thin as people suffer together.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:34 PM
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37. EXACTLY!!!!
.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:23 PM
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12. Take a look at the exit polls on CNN.com.
Look at liberal/moderate/conservative Democrat identification. Then edit your post.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:23 PM
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13. Ha!
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:24 PM
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20. He was voted the most liberal member of the senate, actually.
To me, he can have the best of both worlds--draw in moderates, but also be liberal.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:26 PM
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24. Unfortunately, that won't work in the GE. Being *labeled* the most liberal
will not draw in moderates.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:34 PM
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38. Bingo. nt
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:21 PM
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6. Well for a non gender, non race primary its hard to tell cuz' we're not supposed to
talk about anybody but white men. They seem to live everywhere.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:21 PM
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7. It means people who like to think they're liberal arent liberal
Obama is far more liberal than Hillary in most senate voting surveys.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:21 PM
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8. Well, She's winning in her back yard
with the exception of CT- which is a liberal state. He's winning out west where they fear having her on the top of the ticket.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:21 PM
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9. OK, TN and ARK are SO liberal and MN and CT is SO conservative.
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 10:23 PM by Roland99
:eyes:

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:33 PM
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34. forgot illinois--- we really are conservative
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:34 PM
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40. Of course...I mean...it's the land of Lincoln! And we know the GOP is still the party of Lincoln!
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 10:34 PM by Roland99
;)

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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:37 PM
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50. Home of the "Republican Machine".... n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:39 PM
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54. the alan keyes`s machine!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:37 PM
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51. hey i`m so dumb i voted for dennis today!
but voted for obama's delegates
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:22 PM
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11. He's more to the right than McCain
No wonder. :grr:
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:24 PM
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17. A 4th grader could perhaps be excused for such an ignorant statement.
That is all.

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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:44 PM
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60. Is that the best you can do?
Nice try,though. :eyes:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:27 PM
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25. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Good one!!
:rofl:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:35 PM
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42. really? did`t know my senator was a republican in-disguise
thanks for telling me...good thing i did`t vote for him today
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:23 PM
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14. But it's not because he appeals to conservatives.
It's because of the black vote in those conservative states, states that he'd lose in in the general election. However, so would Hillary. She might could carry Arkansas and Tennessee.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:23 PM
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15. She is wining in the educated states
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:25 PM
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23. oh please..illinois is stupid?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:32 PM
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33. A moron screeching about the "educated states."
LMAO.

Btw, genius, it's w-i-n-n-i-n-g.

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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:36 PM
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47. some of them, anyway,
just like Obama is winning some of the educated states.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:37 PM
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48. You're really peddling this pretty well.
How many posts, and you've even got a thread going on it. Congrats.

Forgot Connecticut and all the western states however.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:24 PM
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16. Yeah
Like I and many other Edwards folk always said....He's a REPUBLICAN!
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:25 PM
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22. A mind free from complexities.
Yes, I am jealous. What's it like?
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:36 PM
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46. I wouldn't know.
Being a true Democrat, honest to our core principles, I wouldn't know what a closet Republican sees, in that cluttered mind that is so easily swayed by mere rhetoric....like YOU.

I guess, being a Phi Beta Kappa, summa cum laude, graduate of college, followed by Law School, my mind remains uncluttered because it thinks so clearly.

Now, go back to your little cult meetings.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:44 PM
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59. Aww, you've gone and embarassed yourself now. I wish you could see it.
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usrbs Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:42 PM
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58. Oh grow up, all of you!
Neither Obama or Hillary are Republicans. Both are fairly moderate Democrats. I chose Hillary after the real progressive, Edwards, dropped out, but that doesn't mean I automatically denigrate her opponents.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:24 PM
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18. AR, TN, OK aren't exactly liberal strongholds. n/t
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:24 PM
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19. It means she is a liberal, and Obama has reached out to the center. nt
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:34 PM
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41. Or maybe he's actually reached out to right of center. nt
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:25 PM
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21. Illinois, Connecticut, Delaware, Minnesota are all "blue" states.
As of right now, those are all for BO.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:30 PM
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28. illinois is an "average state"
northern illinois is split between republicans and democrats. central illinois is fairly conservative,and southern illinois is a rural southern state.southern illinois is the indicator to obama`s strength across the south.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:33 PM
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Illinois went to Bush in 2004 - that's what determines red or blue labels.
Many, many states could be labeled "average" and none are pure on either side. You do remember the purple map, right? Nonetheless, I was answering the OP with the same terms and labels he used to post.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:28 PM
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26. It means the conservatives still love Reagan and hate the excesses of the '60s and '70s.
Who knew.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:29 PM
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27. Well at least
We've moved past Obama can only win the "black" states. :eyes:
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:30 PM
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29. It means Obama has a better chance to win the GE nt
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:30 PM
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30. Yes. Clinton has been cultivating the Democratic electorate for years.
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 10:30 PM by burythehatchet
She has raised tons of money for them and she has done a lot of favors. Her strategy to the White House has always been formulaic. She sees a very specific electoral map as her road to victory. Where she won tonight reflects the investment she has been making for years.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:31 PM
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31. Is that chowder? Yumm...
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:34 PM
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39. I'm pretty sure that's crow.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:32 PM
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32. Like Arkansas, Tennessee and Oklahoma?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:33 PM
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35. Yep, that bastion of right wing thought, Connecticut.
Profound. Real profound.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:39 PM
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53. Two words about Connecticut: Lamont ....... Lieberman
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:40 PM
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56. Hate to tell you, but CT is very right wing. I was born there, I
have family and friends there. I go down there often. CT is swarming with Repugs.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:33 PM
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36. It means a few things I think
I think it means a few things from what I've seen so far.

-Obama is winning big in caucus states so far, that shows that there's a lot more enthusiasm about Obama then Hillary in those states.
-Obama doing well in most red states is probably at least partially because voters out there are more concerned about Hillary being unelectable from her high negatives and unfavorable ratings. Their opinion of Hillary might also be shaped more by conservatives they know out there and their hatred of Hillary.
-In blue states like Massachusetts people probably are not as concerned about stuff like electability, and are less aware of Hillary's negatives, or think that she can overcome it, because they live around more liberal people, and democrats could win their states if they ran almost anyone.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:35 PM
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43. all it means is that your perception is wrong
Clinton and Obama have both picked up victories in liberal as well as conservative states tonight.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:35 PM
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44. Colorado and western states are pretty progressive nt
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:35 PM
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45. It totally reinforces something about Obama that has bothered me for a long time.
He really seems to be much more of a conservative than an liberal.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:38 PM
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52. Except that the basis of the OP is wrong
When did Arkansas become liberal? When did Minnesota become a red state?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:37 PM
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49. It looks like her states will have democratic electoral votes and his won't.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:40 PM
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55. It means Obama doesn't have the negatives
associated with Hillary and the Clinton name. I wonder also, if he is doing well in states that have been affected more by the laissex faire trade policies championed by the Clinton camp, you know NAFTA, GATT, WTO?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:46 PM
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62. He favors the same trade policies as Hill
Obama and Hill have similar negatives among Dems. Obama is just liked by the DLC wing of the party.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:41 PM
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57. Minnesota, Illinois full of liberals. I think it is a stretch.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:45 PM
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61. It means DLC Democrats prefer Obama contrary to popular belief
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