Clinton said she won't let anyone Swift boat America - Key dig at Kerry

[AGirl]

=D

[oldtime dfl_er]

1. I think she's putting the Repukes on notice

And I like it.

[robbedvoter]

41. Exactly! Dig at GOP-ers, not at Kerry.

[The Backlash Cometh]

46. I hope she is. Because the Republicans are fond of saying that

America is always right, and that liberals are unpatriotic because they criticize American policies openly. She could also be saying that she's taking the Republican side of knocking down anyone who says that our policies were wrong?

[Whisp]

2. i think that line had to do something about the writers strike.

what a laclustre

[Proud2BAmurkin]

3. Putting the MSM on notice and defending Kerry

[ursi]

4. Bill and Hillary pissed on Kerry when he ran ...he was in the way of their 08 plans even back then

[TheDebbieDee]

12. I'm checking out your post and I think one of us is insane.......

[neutron]

13. What are you talkiing about?

Bill gave a resounding pro kerry speech at the convention, then he had
a heart attack.
As soon as he was semi recovered, he went out and stumped for Kerry.
So keep your horseshit mouth shut.

[MonkeyFunk]

32. Bill campaigned for Kerry

while recovering from heart surgery.

It's a lie that the Clintons did bad by Kerry.

[TheDebbieDee]

5. I don't think it was as much a dig at Kerry as

it was a warning to repukes who will definitely try this!

[robbedvoter]

33. Agreed. Since when did "swiftboat" stopped meaning "unwarranted attack"?

[anamandujano]

6. Using that term means she thought it was dirty politics, hardly a

dig at Kerry.

[robbedvoter]

35. Absolutely - let's not invent new reasons for hate. Everyone uses the term in the same way.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

7. Shame, Shame, Shame, so Kerry "let" himself be swiftboated?

c'mon, I'm a Hillary supporter and even I recognize this as just a soundbite.

The fact is, the Republicans will swiftboat any candidate, and both will put up a fight, but there will always be people that are swayed by dirty politics,

Please explain to me how Hillary could completely eradicate dirty politics in America and only then will I take this statement to be anything other than a soundbite.

[cgrindley]

11. Hey... I support Obama, but Hill has a point... he did let them do it to him

he showed no spine whatsoever.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

18. I disagree and that is offensive,

I voted for him, did you?

He in no way LET the republicans swiftboat him.

[cgrindley]

24. Good. Be offended.

Next time, don't vote for someone who LET the REPUKES swiftboat him. Vote for a candidate who actually has some sort of chartable, measurable political courage. Kerry was pathetic. Hopeless. All he did when those silly old farts beat him up was roll over and lick his own nuts. Shameful.

[robbedvoter]

43. A very recent, very "objective" Hillary supporter - expect more like this

[karynnj]

57. Chatable measurable political courage???

Kerry stood against the paranoid Nixon as a 27 year old.
Kerry jailed MAFIA figures
Kerry fought against Reagan's covert Central American wars - that the Clintons actually favored.
Kerry fought everyone to go against BCCI
Kerry stood against the Clinton wing to introduce Kerry/Feingold knowing he would be vilified by them behind his back.

Each of these is FAR beyond any battle either Clinton has undertaken.

[mondo joe]

54. I voted for him, even though he let the swiftboaters have their way with him without

fighting back.

I was ashamed.

[karynnj]

56. NO he didn't

The SBVT came twice in spring and were defeated. By August the media already had:

- 100 plus pages of Kerry's naval records - up in detail on his web site due to the April attacks. They included all his fitness reports which covered the entire almost 4 years he was in service. All were glowing.

- Brinkley is an academic historian of sufficient merit that he editted the Reagan diaries - Kerry had no editorial control, nor was he the only source. 100 plus people were interviewed and he also went through records of the time. His book backed Kerry.

- All the living people on his boat for any medal agreed with him.

- The Nixon tapes show they investigated him for dirt and found he was clean cut and a real war hero. (Their reaction - they needed to destroy him - and they essentially started the SBVT with O'Neil.

The media played it as he said, they said - ignoring the record and ignoring teh lies the SBVT were caught in.

Kerry needed the party to aggressively fight for him. The candidate can't do it himself. From the list above Kerry gave them the ammunition needed - far more than the series of stories Clinton gave on the draft question.

Can you provide that much proof for anything in your life? I can't.

[anamandujano]

15. Why are you always speaking against her and her supporters

here then?

[mondo joe]

23. As a matter of fact, yes. It's why I stopped making monthly contributions back during

his 2004 campaign.

[robbedvoter]

36. She said she'd fight dirty tricks - she's done it in the past, will continue

It was a good statement, not a dig at anyone but well, swiftboaters.

[robbedvoter]

42. You so don't sound like a Hillary supporter...barely a DU-er to me

[JNelson6563]

51. I don't think she's claiming she can "eradicate" dirty politics

But she's probably saying she wouldn't wait three weeks before responding and then respond weakly.

Julie

[cgrindley]

8. Kerry deserves it he was a pussy

I support Obama--I know Kerry endorsed Obama--but Kerry is still a pussy.

[stillrockin]

14. I agree. I'm still a skosh pissed about that.

[pipoman]

9. Anybody else watching her speach on CNN and it looking like a

Godzilla movie with the lips out of sync?

[goldcanyonaz]

10. She put the Repugs on NOTICE.

[AZBlue]

16. People who use the terms "swift boat" and "flip flop" make my ears bleed.

I don't care who they are or what they are running for, no Democrat should EVER use those terms.

[robbedvoter]

31. I thought EVERYONE on Du used "swiftboat" - Kerry's biggest supporters

It was shorthand for vicious attacks from the RW - when did that change?

[AZBlue]

55. Others may use it - haven't seen it lately. Doesn't make it right.

It's a Republican term that stands for Democratic weakness and doesn't deserve space on a Democratic board.

[karynnj]

58. Actually most of the Kerry supporters have argued that the usage be

limited to campaigns that are complete lies and sufficiently repugnant. (Some limit further to lies about service.) It is not for anything that is rooted in truth.

Bill Clinton tried to expand it to what was within bounds criticism of HRC's answers.

[Mass]

17. eez, kool off. You realize she will need Kerry's supporters votes to win the GE if she is the

nominee! I would vote for her, but not thanks to you. You are a turn off.

[robbedvoter]

37. You mean, kerry's supporters didn't call the vicious lies "swiftboating"?

Cuz I picked it from DU

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. not at all....she was letting the repukes know that they can't hurt us again

[goldcanyonaz]

21. I don't know where people get this "dig at Kerry" crap. She's doing like you stated.

[JI7]

20. hopefully she wont let herself be impeached either as Bill allowed himself to be

[mtnsnake]

22. That's funny, I took it to be supportive towards Kerry, not a dig

By saying it like she did, she let the entire country know that what the swiftboaters did to Kerry was so rotten that we Democrats will never let it happen again. She implied that the Republicans had to cheat to beat us.

Everyone should be happy to hear her go after the swiftboaters.

[robbedvoter]

40. So did I. DU always used the term when defending Kerry.

[mtnsnake]

47. DU has a good imagination when it comes to interpreting anything Hillary says

[Clintonista2]

25. John Kerry- Worst presidential nominee in recent memory

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/07/27/28snap_kerry_wideweb__430x309,1.jpg

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[Clintonista2]

29. Richard Nixon won more votes than Abe Lincoln. Does that mean he's better?

Your logic needs work.

[jackson_dem]

30. That is because the population was higher than it has ever been for a pres election in 2004

Kerry lost by 3 million votes to a guy who presided over a the creation of not a single net job. Folks point to the war but by the end of 2004 the nation was split on it. If Kerry were a fighter like Hillary he would have won. Swiftboating took his strength and made it a weakness.

[Clintonista2]

34. Don't you just love their logic?

Hey Jackson_Dem, I'm a college student who has more money (in dollars) than the richest man in America in 1776. I guess I'm just better at making money than him :rofl:

[karynnj]

59. How's she doing in sewing up the nomination

when she started out with the party's support, the media saying inevitable and "flawless". Kerry satrted with the media speaking of taking polls on when he would drop out. Also as people got to know him, he was able to raise an unprecedented amount of money on the internet - how's that going with HRC?

Kerry needed the people behind him to use the abundant proof that the SBVT were liars to defend him. Other than Cleland, Clark and Dean most were pathetic.

[robbedvoter]

27. I thought the ol' Arkansas Project became "swiftboating" since 2004

Not sure it was a dig - not that I mind. Kerry's arrogance & contempt for voters deserve any dig there is.(teacups, cry-baby, Flo doesn't count - don't you cover it!)
But all Kerry's supporters - and less than supporters have been using "swiftboat" for "dirty trick, vicious attack based on lies" - and so did Hillary in this speech

[Bongo Prophet]

52. Really raising the tone, here. But attack on fellow dems aside...

Arkansas project, financed by RM Scaife, was only alluded to as a "vast right wing conspiracy" and I defended Hillary for using the term, as she was right to say it.

The "Swiftboat Vets for Truth" (hate even typing that, ech) refers to the blatant lies and innuendos WRT Kerry's Vietnam experience - it was funded by Texas money, crazyman Corsi and john O'Neil. O'neil is the Nixon appointed enemy to take town the young Kerry when he was protesting the Vietnam War, after he came back.

I helped the Hillary supporters in defending Clark, RFK Jr, McGovern and other very good dems.
Please don't join in on the trashing of good dems like Kennedy and Kerry.

We need to tone down the harsher personal destruction, if we really want to grow the party and push for Congressional gains. Those of us, like you and others who have expressed some desire to lift our discourse out of the mud for the greater good, need to set a better example.

Thanks, robbedvoter. :hi:

[MonkeyFunk]

28. It was a great line

good for her.

[robbedvoter]

39. True. And the only dig was at..well, swiftboaters.

[cboy4]

38. Kerry couldn't be reached for comment

[donheld]

44. That's one thing I think Hillary is right about

Anyone tries to swift boat her, she'll kick their asses into the next century.

[karynnj]

60. Because she will almost cry?

How did the Clintons stop the attacks in the 1990s. Before November 2004, Kerry had pretty much convinced all but the loony RW that the SBVT allegations were politically motivated lies. That's why the term means "lies". He did get the truth out and he told the truth.

The Clintons made matters worse on the many things they were attacked on by not simply telling the entire truth the first time asked. You ask why Kerry could not stop a MEDIA complicit character assination in 3 weeks - but the Clinton stories went on for 8 years and more.

[geiger]

45. but it's okay when she uses the same tactics to go after Obama--

sure.... that gives her no credibility in my book.

It's so insidious. I am so tired of the poison. It makes me want to give up politics for good. She does have her way of creating her own reality, though, and I suppose when she was called out by both Kerry and Kennedy, she actually felt some guilt, or, uhm, would that be remorse, or uhm, "damn, I got caught; gotta stop, gotta back off." Until the little revisionist in her comes back and she forgets, and just can't help herself.

Politics of the past...people are not standing for it. She'll get called out again, if she continues to "slip." Fool me once? I can only stand so much compassion for a person who seems to act in a way that is less than fair to a worthy adversary.

[beachmom]

48. No, it only reminds me of when Hillary swiftboated Kerry during the joke

and how she said NOTHING when he was being attacked.

[Orsino]

49. As she did last time?

As she continues to let right-wing talking points scare her into funding the goddamned war?

[IsItJustMe]

50. All she did was put the Repugs on notice, she's basically saying, we will be watching for ya this

time. I personally felt a surge of pasion when she said it. To be honest about it, in the 2004 election, Kerry did not handle that situation very well at all. When I seen that Kerry was not responding to the attacks on him, I was demoralized at the time.

[demokatgurrl]

53. I LOVED that line!!!!! n/t