Jed Dilligan
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:51 AM
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My quick and dirty analysis of tonight's results |
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Obama is the 50-state candidate, and Clinton is the Blue v. Red state candidate.
Please discuss.
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:54 AM
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1. Just because a candidate wins the Dem nomination |
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in a red state does not mean that the red state will vote blue in November.
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Jed Dilligan
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:56 AM
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2. Don't minimize the gains--they are significant. |
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Even if we go blue state strategy we depend on those kind of gains for a mandate.
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:21 AM
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13. Yes Hillary made HUGE gains. |
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I'd bet in the general obama won't win some of the states he won tonight. it's going to even more difficult to beat the repubs in the south and the west if mccain gets the nomination
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:00 AM
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5. If McCain chooses Huckabee for his VP |
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then I feel certain McCain/Huckabee will win all of the southern states. McCain will get the military/terrorism voters and Huckabee will get the fundamentalist/good ole boy votes. That doesn't leave many votes to be had.
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:00 AM
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6. But the point is that Obama has a MUCH better chance |
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of winning in those states than Clinton does. And based on how well he did in Hillary's winning states (around 40% for most), Obama would probably carry the same states she would win.
He's strong in states where she's excellent.
And he's strong in states where she's weak.
Just my opinion.
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:06 AM
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he'll get wiped out in the south and parts of the west. with mccain being considered a moderate by many he'll peel off more from obama than hillary. many dislike hillary but there isn't much that will be a surprise. jmo but obama has to come up with some solid direction and not just hope and change, at some point he'll need to stop saying change and start changing.... i fear he'll be seen as ineffective much the way carter was in 1980
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:57 AM
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4. Pretty much agree. That's what it boils down to, I think. |
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:01 AM
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7. No need to discuss. You're right. Another Dem loss to Repubs if HRC is the nominee. |
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:02 AM
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8. Obama as VP could mitigate that, I hope |
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But I agree that Dr. Dean is right and the Blue State model is a blueprint for failure.
Tonight Obama pulled off the "guys with confederate flags on their pickups" dream!
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:18 AM
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Obama won most of the states that vote Republican in the general election. How does this speak to electability? Discuss.
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:07 AM
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11. It's an old argument between Dean's strategy |
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Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 01:09 AM by Jed Dilligan
and party orthodoxy. My statement was merely that one falls on one side and the other on the other.
On edit: There is a strong argument to be made that the blue states will stay blue and any gains in the red states will just be gravy.
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