Anyone else suspect that Obama will get a big endorsement...

[mckeown1128]

tomorrow?

[Seen the light]

1. Who's left?

Edwards, Gore, and Richardson right?

[socalover]

2. AL GORE!!!

[cottonseed]

23. That's what I hear too nt

[Whisp]

27. no fricken way Gore will stick his neck out on this.

would be ace for Obama tho.
a nice dreamy thing.

BUT THEN...
there would be so many posts here about Gore being a sellout loser disinventer of internets from the Clinton camp.
:rofl:

[gateley]

3. What do you think will happen?

[bigdarryl]

4. who the fuck cares they seem to hurt him more than anything

[MadBadger]

Bullshit. Teddy's endorsement helped a lot.

He was down 37 in MA. He lost by 15.

[MADem]

21. Gee, everyone here was saying he was UP in MA....in FACT, here are a few POLLS to back up that

assertion:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/02/tossup_between.html
A new poll out this afternoon shows that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are statistically tied among likely Democratic voters heading into Tuesday's primary in Massachusetts.

Gee, that doesn't sound like he was DOWN BY 37.


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/04/poll_in_massachusetts_obama_romney_lead/
THE NUMBERS - DEMOCRATS

Barack Obama, 46 percent

Hillary Rodham Clinton, 44 percent

That sounds like he's UP by two...!!!

That's what was shopped around here, anyway:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4390756

Solid spin, though--good job. Guess they need to start polling working-class people.

[rodeodance]

29. oh--you talking of thos obamabab?

[zonkers]

38. BIgtime.

[tekisui]

8. .

:rofl:

[Pirate Smile]

13. Hurt him? Do you realize where he was just a week or two ago in the national polls and

the state polls of many of the states - even if he lost, the Clinton states were closer then the states where he won by huge margins.

Geez.

[blm]

14. Really? Being down by almost 40 points and cutting it by more than half is hurting?

Do you understand delegate counts work by percentages?

Plus, he gained all OVER THE COUNTRY and is racking up delegates on a day that was supposed to sweep Hillary Clinton to the nomination. All the next states Obama is already strong.

[anamandujano]

5. W?

[Seabiscuit]

6. Endorsements don't seem to help. Get him a better speech writer. nt

[Pirate Smile]

16. LOL - that is Obama's problem - he needs a better speech writer?

Sorry, but that cracked me up.:rofl:

[Cha]

22. What don't you have

anything valid to add?

[MADem]

7. Well, these BIG ENDORSEMENTS have been SO HELPFUL to him...

Oprah!!!! Kerry!!! Teddy!!! Caroline!!!! Maria!!!

He might want to start specifically addressing ISSUES, and stop with the pep rallies, the talking AT people, and the "special guest appearances" by others.

[blm]

18. They were. He had a GREAT day today and you know it. And he's moving on to next states

he is already strong. Today was the day Hillary needed to rack up HUGE totals before the next goround. She didn't do that, did she?

So yeah, Obama has gotten an ENORMOUS boost from those who have been working with him. No matter how you want to try and diminish what was accomplished.

[MADem]

24. I don't "know it." He lost CA, which was supposed to be close, and wasn't.

Polls the day before the election had him even or beating Clinton in MA (posted upthread).

What's happening is he's being PUSHED by the MSM as "the guy" and the working class, tired folks, many of them women who have taken enough shit and are tired of hectoring men telling them what to do, just aren't buying it. And they aren't buying it from women with fancy hairdos, perfect makeup, and ten thousand dollar dresses and two thousand dollar shoes, either, standing high above them and looking down on them at mega-rallies that have a slightly OMINOUS tone to them, where they're talked AT, and not WITH.

There's way too many slogans and platitudes, and damn few specifics.

Everything I read here before this thing lit off said Clinton was toast. Some of the posts were pretty vitriolic and childish, too.

Well, she wasn't toast. She got the Big California Prize, and she got it decisively. She split MO with BO, for all intents and purposes--and he had every politician in that state stumping for him.

You can't ORDER people to hand over their vote by yelling AT them and telling them to repeat bullshit catch phrases. And that's what all these overbearing endorsers were doing. The Clinton voters weren't having it.

BO can win caucuses, but he doesn't do so well when it's one voter, one ballot, a voting booth and a ballot box. And that's just fact. And there are no caucus opportunities in the GENERAL.

JMO, YMMV.

[gateley]

25. CA isn't over yet -- it may end up being closer than it is now. nt

[MADem]

32. Well, if you want to feel that way, fine. I'll stick with regarding it as a strong win for HRC. NT

[gateley]

34. I don't have a candidate, so I have no vested interest in the outcome. I was

just following the returns. :shrug:

[blm]

31. Baloney - he was never expected to win there and Hillary was supposed to SWEEP this day.

She DIDN'T. She didn't. She goes into the next round with a draw on today and she NEEDED way more.

She is weakening - he is gaining strength.

Today was the day SHE NEEDED to win BIG. That did not happen.

[MADem]

33. I find it ASTOUNDING how the goal posts are shifting, here.

I read these predictions on this VERY forum, that Clinton was to be crushed in Massachusetts, that California was "in play" and that Clinton was 'on the ropes.'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4367759
http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/polls/approval-ratings/17559/polls-obama-and-mccain-gaining-and-obama-pulls-ahead-in-california/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4361667
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4382637

You keep believing whatever you want, it certainly doesn't bother me, but I just am not going to agree with your assertions, because they aren't borne out by what's been posted here as predictive and almost a foregone conclusion in the run up to this contest. My mileage really does vary, and those high-falutin' endorsements Obama received apparently didn't help at ALL.

I think any "surging" possibility to become the "presumptive favorite" has abated--and, short memories notwithstanding, that WAS the theme of late-- and now it's down to hand-to-hand fighting in the trenches.

[blm]

37. Big deal - enthusiastic support on a message forum doesn't translate to reality

and anyone realistic analyzing what went down in Mass saw a 37% gap narrowed considerably in a matter of a few weeks.

Buy a calculator.

And further - Kerry and Kennedy's endorsements were NATIONALLY significant endorsements and Obama certainly showed VERY WELL nationally compared to the way things looked for him not too long ago.

Look past that tree in your way and view the national forest.

[MADem]

41. Well, I certainly agree with your subject line, if nothing else.

I guess those pollsters whose results I cited, that were published in the Boston Globe had their heads up their asses, eh? Maybe THEY need new calculators?

Frankly, there's enough spin on this board to wring a wet blanket completely dry. That will come in useful to you, I'm sure.

As for my two Senators, it's fine that their endorsements were "intended" to have national import. But as a Boston pol named Tip O'Neill who never lost an election, and who has more than one major building project named after him, once said, "All politics is LOCAL."

See, we LOCALS gave those two Senators their seats--not a 'national' electorate--WE did. We get off our asses and go vote for those guys every six years, through rain, sleet, and snow. I drive people to the polls to so do, in fact.

And they couldn't sell the crowd that reliably VOTES for them over the course of DECADES that their pick was the best. We, their loyal constituency, essentially told them that they made an error in judgment.

See, we local voting trees ARE that forest you smugly note, and the people who just couldn't see it were our esteemed Senators.

[RummyTheDummy]

30. You sound like a supporter of a canidate who lost 14 states tonight

[MADem]

35. I support the candidate who smoked California.

And the candidate who can win ELECTIONS.

As opposed to "caucuses."

No caucus states in the general election.

[BenDavid]

9. now bring on the wish list again.....

[milkyway]

10. Al is waiting in the wings. It's just a matter of when.

[Frances]

12. I hope Gore stays above the fray myself

[leftynyc]

40. What makes you think

he'd endorse Obama? Has he said anything remotely like that? Or just more wishful thinking.

[book_worm]

11. I wish Jimmy Carter would endorse him.

[rosetta627]

17. Carter already did, unofficially

He said he will NOT officially endorse anyone but went on to express admiration for Obama and for his speaking style that reminds him of MLK. If that's not an under-the-radar endorsement then I don't know what is.

[Nailzberg]

26. He also said out of the voters in his family, all but one was an Obama vote.

Included his children and grandchildren.

[rosetta627]

28. Ah, I didn't know that part

Thx.

[smalll]

15. Well, Scarlett Johansen already came out for him,

so it would be HUGE if everyone who's ever had sex with Scarlett Johansen also came out for him. Could totally offset the O-man's Latino deficit single-handedly. Would also definitely boost his older-voters numbers, especially when you consider the had-sex-with-Scarlett-Johansen-in-an-elevator demographic. :shrug:

[HughMoran]

19. I agree with the talking heads

They aren't that helpful anyway unless you count the few minutes of free airtime you get.

[Raejeanowl]

20. It WOULD Be Interesting Timing

I'm assuming you mean Edwards or Gore. I can't imagine anyone else's leading to a frenzy.

[Emillereid]

36. If Al won't run - the least he can do is give us Obama!

[RoadRage]

39. John Edwards?

Does he step in now.. or hold out until the General? I guess it really only means anything now - obviously he'll push either candidate for the G.E.

And, I still don't know if he pushes Clinton or Obama?