Hillary has the big MO now---swooping up CA & Mass without help from the Kennedy’s/Oprah

[rodeodance]

Good work Sen. Clinton. We have your back—Onward.

[quinnox]

1. Hillary will get a lot of money in donations

from her big California win. Thats an important point CNN pundits were saying.

[scheming daemons]

5. From who? She's maxed out at $2,300 with most of her donors....

Obama's average donor has only given $109 so far.... he has a virtual bottomless pit....she's tapped out.

[NJSecularist]

11. Maybe Hsu could give her more from his jail cell

[Tellurian]

16. New blood flows when a candidate shows the strength Hillary did tonight..

We haven't seen how weak Obma will become after this- Seeing neither Oprah, the Kennedys or Caroline could pull out a decisive win for him.

[scheming daemons]

22. LOL.... ok......

Two weeks ago... *YOU*, among others, said this would be over by Feb 6th.

...only now... Obama won more delegates tonight. By a small margin sure... but still a win.


Hillary's campaign weakened tonight.... they needed a *BIG* win, and they got a tie.

[blm]

29. HAHAHAHAHAHAH. Hillary was expected to SWEEP tonight and instead she got

forced into a draw. And Bill Clinton and Carville and McAuliffe couldn't pull her to the huge win she NEEDED. Kennedy, Kerry and Opran DID help pull Obama into a favorable position for the next round of states.


Her campaign is showing weakness at the exact same time Obama's is growing stronger.

The next goround is a set of states Obama is already strgong and he won't have to make up 20-30 points in a few weeks as he did for today.


What's Hillary gonna do to change that?

[Tellurian]

38. Obama has yet to feel the failed effect of the droll Kennedy Kerry (non) support..

People aren't buying it! Obama LOST MA big time!

[MoonRiver]

43. I think this is an indication that Kennedy and maybe loser Kerry

should seriously consider retirement. If they couldn't even deliver "their" state to the second coming of JFK, then I say their time is past.

[Tellurian]

46. I'm sure Teddy gets it... Kerry, omg.. he's already shaking from

spotlight withdrawal symptoms. Quick, shine a flashlight on the guy...this isn't going to be pretty.

[krkaufman]

51. And it sounds like Hillary will be skipping or only lightly competing in those states...

... in a Rudy 9iu11iani "last stand" approach in just a few states. This will let Obama build much MORE momentum, and will cast Hillary as a candidate who is NOT running to be the President of ALL of the United States -- contrary to the Democratic 50-State Strategy -- and a demonstration of why she isn't best suited to help the Democrats expand to working majorities in the House and Senate.

[blm]

59. Exactly - Obama is expanding at the very time Clinton is narrowing.

Which position do you need for a general election?

[krkaufman]

60. That's what I've heard or read a few times...

... that Obama's expanding constituency and Hillary's shrinking, may begin to have an effect on her superdelegate count... if her uncommitted superdelegates want to attract or not alienate the growing Obama base.

Obama's got a few big hills to climb in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvannia, but he's got the momentum.

[Cronus Protagonist]

21. I often wonder why people repeat these memes

Does it make you feel better or something like that? You ignore that she picks up more and more donors as the race tightens, just like Obama will. Why would you ignore that?

[WilyWondr]

63. Do you not understand?

People can only give $4600 to a candidate. 33% of HRCs money has come from people that have given the maximum amount. She cannot go back to them for more. They cannot decide to give her more because she won CA.

Obama, on the other hand, has been raising money from people giving less than $200. 26% of his money has come from this lower level. This allows him to go back to them for more and it allows them to give him more now that he is gaining momentum.

[JackORoses]

72. 32 million vs. 13 million... Why do you ignore this?

He is outpacing her in new donors by leaps and bounds.

[enough already]

41. Oh don't worry...they have ways.... n/t

[WilyWondr]

61. Exactly

This was one of the first things to attract me to the Obama campaign. When I saw that HRC received 33% of her money from $4600 donations and BHO has received only 10% of his money from $4600 donations I know which candidate is for the masses.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/donordems.asp?cycle=2008

Time and turnout are the enemy of the Clinton campaign.

[Cronus Protagonist]

73. So you're saying HRC has 66% of her rich supporters to draw on for rmore

Plus all the new converts she gets daily. You just negated the meme that Hillary's going broke, but your main point is true, in that OHB has the largest grass roots support of the two.

The truth is they BOTH can still raise substantial cash, and BOTH can still count on issue advocacy groups for advertising support. Ask yourself how much more money teenagers can afford to send to Obama, and how many more businessmen and corporate donors can give to Hillary.

My point is that the financial situation is not so cut and dried as some would like us to believe.

[Silent3]

7. I sent her more money tonight. :) n/t

[my3boyz]

2. Yeah...after keeping Bill there for several days going up and down the state!

Make no mistake about it. She did not do it alone.

[rodeodance]

20. isn't he a charmer.

[in_cog_ni_to]

49. But, but, but....I thought Bill Clinton HURTS Hillary's campaign?

I thought she needed to keep him quiet?:rofl::rofl:

[meow mix]

3. onward to where? lol

funny

[rodeodance]

14. to VICTORY- [end result]

[Straight Shooter]

4. Massachusetts was a definite poke in the eye to the Liberal Lion Kennedy.

I guess Teddy is licking that wound. Not to worry. Kerry "has his back!"

Remember Kerry telling us that in 2004? "I've got your back." Instead, it was more like, I'll turn my back on you.

[rodeodance]

15. it was SWEET

[loveangelc]

17. Oh come on! Did anyone really think he would win Mass? I didn't

I can't speak for other supporters, but Massachusetts wasn't in play imo because of his endorsement when she had huge leads in that state...

[rodeodance]

25. the cure for sour grapes lots of sunshine

[loveangelc]

36. what are you talking about...? I'm happy with tonight's results :)

[blm]

24. Really? Care to explain how a 37% advantage dropped so drastically in 2 weeks?

Hillary needed a HUGE win tonight. She didn't pull it off. The next goround heavily favors Obama as he is already showing strong and isn't looking to make up 20-30 points as he did these last two weeks.

Mock GREAT Dems all you want to make yourselves feel better about supporting closed government Bushprotectors wearing donkey masks.

BTW - you want to REWARD those who really stabbed Dem voters in the back in 2004.


http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

I don't.

You want to continue the protection of BushInc. I don't.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

58. Ma will be puting its money on Clinton now, , Ma knows Kerry/Kennedy team loses general electons

People up here are not Kennedy crazy anymore. Times have changed, Obama's bridge to the DISTANT pass will fail!

[loveangelc]

6. I don't think so....

IMO it seems like the storyline from the media I've seen is that Obama beat expectations and won more states :). The only reason California is big for Clinton is because if she would have lost it, it would have been OVER on the Democratic side to most people...now its about even.

I just saw on NBC that privately the Clinton people ARE worried because they know the longer this goes on the longer it helps him, and they are actually having money trouble and concerned at the amount of money Obama is continuing to raise.

[tammywammy]

8. Sorry, the primary schedule is stacked in Obama's favor for the rest of the month

[rodeodance]

23. well, Hill is ready--Is Obama?---He looked pretty demoralized during his speech.

[tammywammy]

26. To you and a few other Clinton supporters on here he looked "demoralized"

He looked just fine, it was a good speech.

[blm]

9. Wrong. Today WAS Hillary's high point. But she needed HUGE wins. She didn't

get those huge wins.

She goes into the next goround to states where Obama is ALREADY showing strong and he has the money advantage.

Obama was NEVER supposed to be anywhere near Hillary tonight. So, yeah - those who are helping Obama are doing a GREAT job. His campaign is strebgthening and hers is visibly weakening.

[BearSquirrel2]

19. Speeches ...

The difference in the speeches tonight was striking. Hillary was reading off a page like a schoolgirl. O'Bama was commanding, personable and extemporaneous, much like Clinton's husband.

I'm sending money to O'Bama. He really has the mojo to debate anyone and win without looking arrogant like Kerry.

[rodeodance]

27. Oh--I thought Obama looked demoralized and down. I keep waiting for some

substance--but it never came.

[blm]

32. That's because you prefer closed government that Clintons bring with them.

So, yeah, you wouldn't find much to like about any open government Democrat.


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

Don't worry, I'm sure Clintons will try to find a way to keep government closed the way you like it, even if they have to join the Bushes' lawsuit when they sue President Obama to keep him from opening the books on BushInc.

[BrightKnight]

35. LOL - The Clinton administration was not a "closed government." - n/t

[blm]

45. Oh yeah? Then tell us all what happened to the BCCI report and all its outstanding

matters.

Not to mention Clinton's refusal to declassify long sought documents in IranContra, Iraqgate and CIA drugrunning investigations.


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

Methinks many Democrats haven't a clue how much Poppy Bush and his cronies were protected throughout the 90s. How do you THINK BushInc was able to grow stronger in the 90s when they should have been jailed by end of 1994? Instead we had Dems turning over keys to Congress and Bush2 planning his 2000 campaign.

Clinton sided with secrecy and privilege of Poppy Bush instead of with the truth that would have prevented Bush2, 9-11 and soon to be war with Iran.

[BigDDem]

47. Dont hold your breath waiting on substance!

[WilyWondr]

67. Why do you think Obama spoke last?

I have always thought that the "winner" got the last word on a primary night.

No?

Or do you think she spoke earlier because she knew that listening to her after Obama would just make her look bad?

[cali]

10. lol. she just had Billy boy

little hillybot. And Obama was only projected to win 4 states. I know you're not terribly adept at critical thinking, but he won 13 states, and the delegate count is roughly even. Furthemore, hillybot, he won in her backyard. It's even and she may or may not get some momentum, but the next line up of states heavily favors him.

[rodeodance]

28. yes--Bill done did good didn't he. Hard work from him--

[elixir]

54. And Hillary won in the big states, nay, nay, nay. It's the delegates, stupid.

[RunningFromCongress]

12. Yeah, she only had help from the LAST LOVED PRESIDENT!

[ursi]

13. no matter what, that is interesting and has she promised RFK Jr here NY seat?

[rodeodance]

18. what a prize--a dedicated enviromentalist---good for NY.

[Honeycombe8]

30. You mean she has....JOEmentum? hahahahahahaha. n/t

[elixir]

55. Yeah, and BO has Obamentum.

[CatnHat]

31. My thought exactly

Goes to show the "big shots" did no good for B. H. Obama. I actually laughed when Hillary took Mass. Hopefully we won't be bombarded with the likes of Oprah and the Kennedy clan from here on.

California rocks for Hillary!!!

[jgraz]

33. I especially liked the part where she won fewer states and fewer delegates than Obama

You go girl! :thumbsup:

[AGirl]

34. Go HIllary !!@#@#@

[LittleClarkie]

37. Oh sure, she's out there all by her lonesome

Bill's not stumping for her, nosiree. He just thought he'd go out for some air.

And she was endorsed by Robert Kennedy Jr, so you can't say she did it without help from the Kennedy's either.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

39. What a pleasant surprise that so many Americans are thinking for themselves

Could it be there are fewer lemmings among us than the MSM would have us believe? Dare I hope we are that intelligent?

[mrmx9]

40. Did'nt Hillary lose the big MO - Missouri - where Obama sneaked up an overtook her right at the end!

Roll on the convention!

[in_cog_ni_to]

52. NOPE! They split the delegates EVENLY. Hillary = 30 Delegates...Obama = 30 Delegates

I think this comes down to Super Delegates?


Missouri
Updated 3:21 a.m. EST, Feb 6, 2008


County Results
Exit Poll


Obama

405,284

49%

30 Delegates

100%
reporting

Clinton

395,287

48%

30 Delegates

Edwards

16,747

2%

0

Uncommitted

3,135

1%

0

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#val=MO

[Kajsa]

57. So she didn't win Missouri

like the OP stated.

[in_cog_ni_to]

64. ONLY delegates count. It's not win/lose each state by vote numbers. ONLY the delegates matter.

:)

on edit...the big MO doesn't mean Missouri. It means she has the MOMENTUM.:)

[Kajsa]

74. Thanks for the clarification.

MO is the state code for Missouri, also.

It's all sooo confusing at times,

I know the delegates count- either winner take all
or split up like here in CA.

[Independent-Voter]

42. I don't get how you can possibly think this

Obama made up an insane amount of ground in just a few weeks. If Super Tuesday was held next week, he'd be the odds on favorite to win, period.

States Obama won with (so far) more than 60% of the vote:

Alaska (over 70%)
Colorado
Georgia
Idaho (over 70%)
Illinois
Kansas (over 70%)
Minnesota
North Dakota

States Clinton won with (so far) more than 60% of the vote:

Arkansas


Kind of telling, isn't it?

[Occam Bandage]

44. Wow, she held on to her 20+ point leads? Shocking.

[in_cog_ni_to]

48. These are HUGE, HUGE, HUGE wins for her!!!

I wonder if Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Caroline Kennedy, Deval Patrick and The Oprah are crying in their TEACUPS this morning? :rofl:

I was so freakin' happy to see her win these 2 states.

[realFedUp]

50. Congratulations to Hillary and supporters...

I guess Camelot is finally over.

[cloudythescribbler]

53. For an alternative analysis, seeing Obama as in an excellent position, see:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4429972

[Elspeth]

56. Two Kennedies and Oprah...3 others have supported Clinton

Just sayin

[Edgewater_Joe]

62. She Won What She Was Leading. Big Whoop.

Obama had to keep it close. He did.

Obama wins Super Tuesday.

So you're wrong.

[Jennicut]

65. So so incorrect. Its proportional!!!

CA and NY (and MA and NJ) will be split up delegates-wise. Obama won more delegates last night because he won wider margins in smaller states and won more of those states. Nobody really won a "victory". Its tied.

[SOS]

66. Obama will do well on Saturday 2/9/08

and will be the Democratic frontrunner by Sunday morning.

That's considered Big Mo for Clinton?

[CyberPieHole]

68. The Ophra/Kerry/Teddy/Obama donkey act will continue to draw crowds of lemmings...

While Senator Clinton works diligently to win the larger and more important states. Kennedy and Kerry have some egg on their faces as they failed to win Mass for their candidate.
Ophra ran around with Skeletor (the wife of the Guvernator) and Caroline Kennedy trying to scare up support for their man. Although polls showed Obama's "surge" had put him 13 points ahead of Clinton in California...it failed to come true. California is a little smarter than Obama and his posse had hoped for.

:kick: and rec

[AGirl]

71. True that.

[jenmito]

69. Have you set the bar so low that an expected victory in 2 states is considered "the big MO"?

:rofl:

[ProSense]

70. While you are trying to spin away Obama's obvious overall victory, Hillary's campaign

is churning out lame spin and showing signs of desperation.