liberalnurse
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:06 AM
Original message |
Hillary wins the states required to win the Presidency! |
|
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 02:18 AM by liberalnurse
I'm looking at the concept of which states the two Democratic Primary Leaders show strength in democratic voting which can be reflected in the General Election for the WIN.
Evaluate by the Electoral College score:
To date:
Clinton...........206
Obama.............108
The states she has won so far are key wins in the General Election where it REALLY COUNTS.
Such as:
Hillary:
California...55 Florida......27 Arizona......10 Massachusetts.12 Michigan.....17 New York.....31 NewJersey....15 Virginia.....13 Tennessee....11 Arkansas.....06 Nevada.......05 New Hampshire.04 New Mexico...05 Nevada.......05 Oklahoma.....07 Washintgon...11
Just a thought for tomorrow.O8)
|
mihalevich
(248 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:07 AM
Response to Original message |
1. Obama won Missouri the one that counts |
liberalnurse
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #1 |
4. I didn't list Obama's.......... I'm tired tonight. |
alcibiades_mystery
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:09 AM
Response to Original message |
2. Democrats could field Ted Bundy and win in CA, NY, and MA |
sjdnb
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 03:11 AM
Response to Reply #2 |
|
bitter, maybe? Comparing Hillary's win to a serial killer - is that you, Karl?
|
alcibiades_mystery
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 03:23 AM
Response to Reply #32 |
33. Wow..it took a pretty severe victim complex to get THAT out of my post |
Tweed
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:10 AM
Response to Original message |
|
Those states have not gone yet.
|
liberalnurse
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #3 |
9. It's the General Election scoring system....... |
|
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.htmlThere have been a lot of stated so I could of misread the grid of who has all voted to date. I am getting a bit tired at this point. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D
|
Tweed
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:21 AM
Response to Reply #9 |
19. LOL, you saw the superdelegate totals and thought WA and VA voted |
|
Next time you want to give 'analysis', have a better grasp on the whole situation. People will take you more seriously.
|
progressive_realist
(669 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:11 AM
Response to Original message |
5. Can I borrow your time machine? |
|
Because Virginia and Washington have not voted yet. And NM has not yet been called for either camp.
|
sandnsea
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:12 AM
Response to Original message |
6. As if any Democrat wouldn't win Dem states |
|
When Obama wins VA & OH, are you going to agree he should be the candidate?
|
Benhurst
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:16 AM
Response to Reply #6 |
13. No, winning primaries is quite different from winning general elections. |
|
That applies to both Obama and Hillary.
And it is unfortunately especially true here in the South.
|
sandnsea
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:20 AM
Response to Reply #13 |
|
The OP wouldn't concede Obama could win OH or VA just because he might win them in the primary. It's a silly premise.
However, it is true that Obama could put up a fight in the south unlike anything we've seen in 40 years and that, in itself, is worth electing him.
|
liberalnurse
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #6 |
16. Clinton has Ohio......... |
|
and unpledged, to be pledged super-delegates as well.
|
sandnsea
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:22 AM
Response to Reply #16 |
21. She had the coronation one month ago |
|
Thank god things change and I can only hope more people wake up to the opportunity Obama presents to this country.
|
liberalnurse
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:23 AM
Response to Reply #21 |
southern_dem
(587 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:13 AM
Response to Original message |
|
the impression this matters in the general election? Really the only trend of any value is that Democratic primaries have a much higher turnout than the GOP. There's not much else to get out of it.
|
liberalnurse
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #7 |
11. Democrats are voting in heards these days...... |
Benhurst
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:33 AM
Response to Reply #7 |
|
And, while we can hope, there is no guarantee the trend will hold in the general election.
|
Indenturedebtor
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:13 AM
Response to Original message |
8. Besides what the people above me have said |
|
As much as many around here would not like to admit it we need some people besides Dems to vote for our champion in the GE :rolleyes:
|
still_one
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:13 AM
Response to Original message |
10. Let's get real, these are mostly Democrats voting for Democrats, and republicans voting for |
|
republicans
It remains to be seen who can win a national election
|
scheming daemons
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:16 AM
Response to Original message |
12. Um.... CA and NY would be won by ANY democrat.... |
|
....even Murky.
Besides... we won CA and NY in 2004 and 2008, and it wasn't enough to win the Presidency.
....and it won't be enough for Hillary to win the nomination either.
|
TheDonkey
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:16 AM
Response to Original message |
14. Obama won more swing states. Any democrats can get MA. CA. NY. NJ etc |
Benhurst
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #14 |
15. Yeah, and any Democrat has a shot at winning Democratic primaries. |
|
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 02:19 AM by Benhurst
Winning general elections is another matter -- all those pesky Republicans have to be factored in.
|
Benhurst
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:40 AM
Response to Reply #15 |
|
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 02:43 AM by Benhurst
:rofl: Time to go to bed!
|
Benhurst
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:37 AM
Response to Reply #14 |
25. posted to wrong thread. |
|
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 02:39 AM by Benhurst
|
Straight Shooter
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:19 AM
Response to Original message |
17. She is heavily favored in Ohio, last I heard. |
|
Important state.
Washington is going to Barack, I believe. New Mexico is still a toss-up but The Celebrity Candidate is doing well there, also.
|
lapfog_1
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:37 AM
Response to Reply #17 |
26. Not too long ago, I heard, she was heavily favored to win |
|
every state.
What happened to that?
|
JeanGrey
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:22 AM
Response to Original message |
20. She has to get the nomination to win. It looks lke she might |
lapfog_1
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:35 AM
Response to Original message |
24. This is the silliest analysis I've seen all night. |
|
Neither Hillary nor Obama is running against a republican. So this is just some Democratic intramural game, white shirt / red shirts or whatever.
It's not indicative of anything in particular. Does Obama win California against, say, McCain (Yes)... does Hillary win Florida against McCain (probably not, but then, neither would Obama).
The liberal coast (as defined as NJ and north) and California are Hillary core constituency states. Illinois, the midwest, west and south might be considered core Obama constituency states. But these tell us absolutely nothing about the tie tonight, nor do they indicate how the nominee will do in a GE.
Let me put it another way...
Hillary states are pretty much safe states for any Democratic nominee (NY, CA, NH, MA, NJ). Obama states are places that can go either way... wouldn't we be better off with the MORE popular candidate in those red/purple states than with the candidate that is popular in the solid blue states?
|
billyskank
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:43 AM
Response to Original message |
|
You're assuming that Democratic voters who voted for Clinton would not vote for Obama in the general election if he were the nominee. I believe this is nonsense; I am sure they almost all would.
|
gmudem
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 02:48 AM
Response to Original message |
|
If Obama is the nominee he won't win California, New York, New Jersey, or Massachussets?
In a word, LOL! This is a Democratic primary. It has nothing to do with electoral votes or the general election.
|
jacksonian
(699 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 03:03 AM
Response to Reply #29 |
30. looking at tonight's numbers |
|
I see real weakness in California for Obama. A lot of the people who did not support him are the ones most attractive to the McCain camp as well.
Weakness in California is not a winning strategy for any Dem. As it stands now, Obama would have to spent a great deal of time and money in that state to keep it from going red - which it can do, believe me and Arnold - not at all what our nominee should be doing.
Now scoff away.
|
cottonseed
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Feb-06-08 03:05 AM
Response to Original message |
31. Too bad a Dem primary is completely different from a GE. |
|
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 03:06 AM by cottonseed
If you're in college, or even kindergarten, please do not turn this analysis into your teacher.
|
DU
AdBot (1000+ posts) |
Fri Apr 26th 2024, 12:37 AM
Response to Original message |