Obama better be careful if he is going to plagiarize -

[jillan]

without giving credit to his source.
Just ask Joe Biden ......


We are the ones we've been waiting for

[Renew Deal]

1. lol, it's within his campaign

So I don't think there's anything there.

[FrenchieCat]

2. Alice Walker endorsed Obama......

Maybe she's even writing for him! :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3-9gq_htUo

[jillan]

4. No wonder why he always sounds like a preacher when he talks.

[John Q. Citizen]

10. Your ping pong attack of a hack isn't going to cut it. Care to remove the libelous statement?

Or do Hill suppoters like to falsely slander their betters?

[jillan]

11. I heard his speech - I heard that line.

I googled it & this came up.
He didn't give her credit in his sermon tonite.

case closed.

[John Q. Citizen]

14. Yeah, right, sure thing. I'm sure you proved it to your closed case of a mind.

[jillan]

16. Hey - on Msnbc they were talking about this wonderful line that Obama used-

asking if this was going to be his new campaign slogan.

get real.

[BeyondGeography]

3. And she got it from the Hopi tribe

Maria Shriver credited them when she used the phrase the other day.

http://www.matrixmasters.com/takecharge/hopi-prophecy.html

[RummyTheDummy]

5. The Hillbots are feeling desperate tonight

If this is the best they can come up with.

[sandnsea]

13. Some are pure Obama haters

Sour grapes over Biden and Edwards because he got what was rightfully theirs, or some convoluted reasoning that I can't follow. I don't think it's fair to dump ALL the hate on Hillary.

[jillan]

15. I do not hate Obama.

Nothing like the way you hate Hillary.

[DUyellow]

6. you can fix your title now.

[Dogmudgeon]

7. Wayne Dyer also uses the phrase

He probably got it from reading Walker.

--p!

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. It's called citation

And it's been part of the African American rhetorical and literary tradition for 400 years.

Don't be a skootch.

[jillan]

9. Then he needs to cite his sources.

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. It's not academic citation, silly

It's cultural citation.

Listen, if you knew anything about African American rhetorical traditions, you'd know that this is part and parcel of the culture. The reason you don't need to "cite your sources" is because everyone in the fucking audience knows what you're referring to. It's like saying that anyone who uses "our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor" is plagiarizing Thomas Jefferson if they don't cite that as coming from the Declaration of Independence. Everyone knows but know-nothing white folks who scream "plagiarism." These are the same people who think, for example, that Mos Def and Talib Kweli were "plagiarizing" Slick Rick when they did their own riff on "A Children's Story." It's part of the tradition: you acknowledge those who came before you by citing them. If you do it with clever transformations, that's even better. Read Ishmael Reed, fer chrissakes. Look at this very obvious version from hip hop culture:

I'm the R, the A, to the K-I-M
If I wasn't, then why would I say I am?
- Rakim, The Rhyme Gets Rougher

I am whatever you say I am
If I wasn't, then why would I say I am?
Eminem, The Way I Am

I'm the N, the A, to the S-A-R
If I wasn't, I must've been Escobar
-Nas, Got Ur Self a Gun

It's the same principle, but you find it in the literature going back at least a century. Neither Eminem nor Nas "cited their source." Why? Because only know-nothing motherfuckers don't know who they're referring to. It's only "plagiarism" if you're NOT supposed to get the reference. If you ARE supposed to get the reference, it's citation, whether you "cite your source" or not.

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