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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 03:41 AM
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Why TsunamiTues helps Obama overall; he is now odd-on candidate to beat
First off, I have been saying for many weeks now that the front-loading of SO MANY primaries into almost a national primary on Feb 5 gave an ENORMOUS strategic advantage to whoever was considered the presumptive nominee at the outset of the election cycle (Clinton) and to the detriment of any late-rising challenger (Obama). Indeed, it is nothing less than politically shocking that Obama has been able to survive through this all-but-impregnable firewall anywhere NEAR as well as he has.

Even though Obama had 'the big mo', the question has been whether he would be able to effectively close the huge advantage gap that Clinton enjoyed over him nationally in polls even as recently as the aftermath of the South Carolina primary. A number of reliable polls showed Clinton leading Obama nationally by 5% or more in the days leading up to TsunamicTuesday. But Obama managed to come out of the night with victories in: CT, DE, GA, AL, IL, MO, KS, ND, MN, UT, ID, CO, and Alaska -- a total of FOURTEEN states, more than just about any pundit was predicting as of one week ago. I am going to assume that NM goes narrowly for HRC, although the difference in terms of delegates is of course small.

The one win -- and it WAS a BIG win in a BIG state that makes a major difference is Hillary Clinton's decisive win in CA. Though polls had shown her comfortably in the lead until very recently, and something over 40% of votes were cast by early voting, much doubt was expressed in many quarters in recent days as to who would win CA. Arizona and NM are also good wins for HRC, particularly NM which really wasn't decisively in her column.

But it is NOT a matter of comparing Utah and Idaho with NY and CA, as some people sneer. Obama carried two top states HEAVILY (Ga and Ill), and more importantly won highly contested states, including MN which I understood was expected to go for Clinton, MO which was highly competitive, DE which was unsure due to insufficient polling, CT which was at least seriously in doubt, and
Utah where predictions were all over the map. In short, he has survived Tsunami Tues still with the big mo and the situation was saved from TOTAL disaster for Hillary only by her big win in CA (again it was important, and is for many press accounts the central narrative -- which reflects, as the fact that pundits said almost every debate, including the one where HRC stumbled over drivers' licenses and began her downward political spiral, a pro-Clinton bias in those quarters of the media.

Now, with the big mo, and (as Jefferson_Dem has noted in a recent thread that I don't have a link for) a very advantageous calendar over the next month, indeed, Obama is the 'odds-on' favorite to be the Democratic nominee -- as also reflected in sharp recent gains on InTrade -- unless blunders, or something like the Rezko case exploding, or some other media feeding frenzy stops him soon. This is why Hillary Clinton's campaign wisely has her seeking a LOT MORE debates, which will give the press enough wiggle room to heavily spin them in her favor.

Now that Obama can concentrate his attention on states more or less one or two at a time, even if he just holds on to his present position without continuing his HUGE momentum, he would be formidable. But the calendar does not point to a likelihood of Obama standing still. Indeed, NE, VA, LA, MD, DC, VT, WA and other locales look particularly good for him. And concentrating in other key states like Oregon, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana and Wisconsin should have him at least holding his own in, and possibly sweeping the overwhelming majority of, these states as well.

In short, Obama has met and definitely exceeded the standard of expectations I set in several threads prior to Tsunami Tuesday, and definitely outperformed my expectations up until at most a week ago.

OK -- everyone can now pile on and claim that it's just spinning the results. But intrade isn't spin -- this is all people betting their money, with objectivity prevailing, even if it is merely a reflection of momentary "conventional wisdom".

There is apparently some doubt about whether Tucker said Obama will be the likely nominee. Well, I am stating it clearly -- again barring any kind of unexpected MAJOR setback for the Obama juggernaut.

Let the screaming begin.....
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 03:45 AM
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1. Tucker indeed said it looks that Obama is the likely nominee.
FWIW Tucker is pretty much a political realist. He's a hard libertarian, but he's a striaght shooter. He doesnt have a dog in the fight.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 04:19 AM
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2. Good analysis... CA was Clinton's firewall tonight and a good one
but you only need a firewall if there are flames. Without the big CA win, the narrative would have been... well, let's move on. Plenty more work to do.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 04:23 AM
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3. Obama survived well. I hope he could have wrapped it up but we are equipped to go on!
Go OBAMA!
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 05:13 AM
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4. where are all the folk who DISagree with this analysis?
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 05:26 AM
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5. Interesting and comprehensive analysis
I would like to see more people weigh in on your post. I'll check in again in a bit.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:29 AM
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7. what's key is to have VARIOUS analyses set against each other to compare
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 08:57 AM
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6. ...

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:42 AM
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8. solid analysis. I'll go further. Super Delegates may start going for Obama. Hillary is Poision
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 09:43 AM by cryingshame
down ticket. A lot of super D's might have been sitting on the fence to see whether O. was viable.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 12:18 PM
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14. please excuse my typo
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:50 AM
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9. Methinks it likely that the Dem nominee'll be determined by caucus/primary selected delegates
but that's far from a certainty
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:52 AM
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10. Obama could very well win. And so could Hillary.
That's that.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:39 PM
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18. insightful counteranalysis there!
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:19 AM
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11. K and R
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:11 AM
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12. ...




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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:39 AM
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13. Finally. An analysis worthy of reading. Thank you.
This is the kind of real stuff DU used to be filled with.

All partisan crap now.

Excellent, excellent analysis.
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jimbot Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 12:55 PM
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15. Slight disagreement with the intrade statement
Granted intrade loses some predictive value when transaction volume is low, but I don't get how you can say presumptive nominee looking at the numbers.
For some reason the intrade site is slow as a dog, but last I checked Clinton was selling at slightly over 50 and Obama was somewhere slightly under 50. What that means is that the people that are betting on this are saying its a toss-up.

What is clear looking at intrade is that, other than the blip after the Iowa primaries, Obama has been gaining while Clinton has been losing.

Otherwise, I agree with your assessment at giving Obama a "slight edge"...I just don't see how the futures market supports this.

Peace,
--JT
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 02:24 PM
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16. good refining elucidation of InTrade
I am actually not exactly knowledgeable about these wagering sites, and their internal dynamics
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 02:47 PM
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17. yet another ...




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