Well......Looks like we're going to end up with the War Dem

[Popol Vuh]

Oh Well.... n/t

:eyes:

[TexasObserver]

1. I don't think so.

If she hasn't got it won by now, she probably isn't going to win it.

[William769]

3. Same can be said of Obama.

I guess we are back to square one.

[Popol Vuh]

5. I hope you're correct

:hi:

[TexasObserver]

10. Obama should pick up the most states from here on

While her campaign struggles to win a few big states.

[bigscott]

23. i dont understand

what difference it will make in November that BOH won states like Kansas, Utah, North Dakota? Does anyone really believe those states will be put in play by EITHER dem candidate??

[neutron]

27. This is MYTH - Obama DID NOT VOTE AGAINST WAR because

he was not in the senate at the time.
He laater said that he did not know how he would have voted had
he been in the senate.

[Buzz Clik]

28. But we do know how Hillary voted.

[adabfree]

31. LOL Sure Do...

That can not be disputed...

[pampango]

37. Even if you ignore the context of Obama's "I don't know how I would have voted...", you have a

choice between and "I don't know" and a vote for the IWR couple with a "I'm not apologizing for it. It wasn't by fault if it was wrong."

[rhett o rick]

66. Once again your post has nothing to do with the post you are responding to.

What is a myth? That Sen Clinton voted to give Bush power to kill a million people and bankrupt our nation? That's a fact. She also voted to ident Iranians as terrorists just as George Bush wanted. Wonder if he sent her flowers.

Will you support Sen Clinton in the general neutron? If she wins the nomination.

[TexasObserver]

47. Yes, and Hillary winning 4-5 big states won't be enough.

She has zero appeal to independents or Republicans who can be reached by an attractive candidate like Obama.

[rosetta627]

54. That's my hope as well

No way in hell am I ever voting for that cold calculating war-monger Hillary.

[TexasObserver]

55. I am sorely disappointed in her lack of leadership on the left

I actually thought she would go to New York and make the kind of impact Bobby Kennedy did. I expected her to lead on the left, instead of sell out to the DLC. I was shocked when over and over, she capitulated, and not only that, wallowed in the mud with the War Party. She's gone from keeping troops in Iraq for years to starting a withdrawal next January, but who can believe her? Not me. She and Bill are far too close to the Bushes now.

[rosetta627]

63. Yup, she's part of the machine now

The borg collective.

[Popol Vuh]

64. And after she leaves office

She'll probably get a job speaking for Halliburton.

[rosetta627]

65. Oh god you're probably right

Halliburton, formerly known as Brown and Root--the chief financial backers of Lyndon Johnson. After the anti-war President Kennedy was brushed aside, Johnson repaid his backers a jillion-fold by making them fabulously wealthy with contracts in Vietnam. That's how they became the juggernaut Halliburton.

Ol' LBJ...

Well, JFK tried to stop it.

[Skittles]

2. definitely a war repuke n/t

[sandnsea]

4. They're tied, Obama slightly ahead

Lots of good Obama states coming up. She has to win some combination of VA, OH, PA, or TX to win. This is far from over.

[William769]

6. Where is Obama slightly ahead?

[adabfree]

7. Exactly

Far, far from over....

She's was supposed to sweep him and have it put away by now...

This is good news for OBama

[William769]

9. He was 17 points ahead going into the California. What happened?

[adabfree]

14. Come on...one poll said 13 points...

Others had it closer...it looks like she's up by 10%..now

I'm curious to know how much of that is due to early voting...

In addition, Villagrosa (sp?), Los Angeles mayor said Hillary has been campaigningh in California for a long time, so one would think she had a big head start and not to mention name recognition...

I still think Obama beats her..he's proved he can win and win big in the red states, win on the war issue, when in blue states, win in middle America..win amongst whites and win amongst blacks. His Latino numbers are coming up, not that strong just yet, but better.

No way Hillary can compare to his across the board appeal..and if McCain is the nominee, Obama can keep pace with him based on last night results...he can get those independents and even moderate republicans..plus democrats, where as McCain is having trouble with the conservative base...

I say Obama can win in November, much more easily than Hillary..plus he can raise money like no other..they are projecting another banner month for February...

[William769]

16. Time will tell

MSM keeps telling of Hillrys defeat just like some here, but she keeps on winning.

ON EDIT: Actually my favorite one is this one, "Zogby: Clinton in Free Fall in California".

[adabfree]

19. Screw the MSM....let's look at the results

and what's viable..

Obama held his own against Clinton..and I still say, he gives McCain the best run..

[William769]

20. And Clinton held her own against Obama and the MSM.

[adabfree]

24. She got walloped by Obama in many states...

She beat him soundly in how many?

As I said, screw the MSM, they are empty talking heads..

The people spoke..yes, she did fine, but she was clearly the front runner for months...Obama was way down in many of those polls..the MSM certainly spoke of her 20 to 30 point leads often enough..

Ask yoursel this:

Why is she all of a sudden interested in having weekly debates? hmmm

[William769]

26. And whats the delegate count?

:rofl:

[adabfree]

29. Its exactly where the Obama camp want it to be...

Have you checked the upcoming primary locations? Looks good for Obama..and we know how much money he's raised.. what was 32 million to what 10 million..

If I was Hillary, I 'd asked for debates every week too...ha ha talk about running scared!

But I suppose that's all you have to hold on to right now...good for you..

As Jesse Jackson said: Keep hope alive...:hippie:

[William769]

33. Once again whats the delegate count?

But I suppose Jessie Jacksoni is all you have to hold on to right now...good for you..

Because we saw what the Kennedy and the Kerry Endorsement did. :rofl:

[adabfree]

39. well, I figured if Bill could use Jesse Jackson..so could I...

Only I didn't mean mine in a racist way..

But anyhoo..you can't debate on the points..or hold a decent political conversation on the facts..other than "the delegates, the delegates," so I shall leave you to your morning joe and Clinton is winning, and that's the way it is and the way it's going to be from here on out..party.

Good luck with that, eh..

I'll PM you in a few weeks...and see how your party is going...then I'll offer you some Patron and let you deal with the fall out the best you can..lmao

[William769]

41. Heres a beer for you to drown your sorrows in since you won't answer the question.

Have a fabulous hillary day!

[adabfree]

44. Ha ha..sorry I don't do cheap beer....or drink it from a mug but....

We know the delegate count...Hillary has a lead..


but I also know why you dodge the converastion or do not respond to my posts in detail ...but don't fret..I expect no less


Oh btw, while you're online send Hillary a donation...she's in desperate need!

follow the lead of the Obama supporters...and put your money where your keyboard is...lmao

[William769]

45. Well since you don't want to I will.

Hillary Clinton
Pledged: 632 Superdelegates: 193Total: 825

Barack Obama
Pledged: 626 Superdelegates: 106Total: 732

ON EDIT: I am maxed out on Donations, gave mother a gift to max out her donation to Hillary, and I have six brothers and sisters all for Hillary. Money is NOT a problem.

[adabfree]

50. Uh that's good for now

But super delegates are not written in stone...and once Obama trounces her from here on out...in votes and in fund raising..make no mistake they will switch sides, and others will come in droves.

In fact, all are not even pledged yet, they are waiting and watching, with the money he's raising (record breaking) and the upcoming primaries...watch them start signing on..plus I guarantee many are looking at his ability to win in the red states, in the blue, overwhelmingly with black voters, a huge uptick with white voters, an uptick with hispanic voters and moderate republicans..

If this keeps up, he'll pull some from her and get the bulk of the rest, because all else aside, the Dems want to win...and last night showed us..Obama has the most across the board appeal..not Hillary.

[William769]

51. Like I said have a fabulous Hillray day!

Since you can't even admit that I am done with you here.

[adabfree]

56. You can't admit the truth...thats' all

It's okay..you're that type most often spoken of...I see it now..

It's probably not even your fault..sometimes we can't control our circumstances..but I'll send happy thoughts your way...hoping you make out well.

[sniffa]

57. Shhh.

Leave ignored alone.

[adabfree]

58. Okay...

I often continue to speak to those I feel sorry for..especially those in denial and those that delusional...its my gentle nature..lol

[William769]

59. That makes me really happy!

:rofl:

[William769]

60. Whats the truth as you see it?

[Uben]

8. Come on, man

When Bill Clinton was in office, we enjoyed one of the most peaceful times in American History. How many soldiers died in Combat from anything he started? Instead of using ground troops to do our bidding, he did it with technology, from the air. That is a good thing! I expect Hillary to follow suit in the event any conflict arises. She will get us out of Iraq and go back to hitting them with air strikes. There are no anti-aircraft artillary batteries in Iraq anymore. I fully expect Obama to do the same thing if he is elected, so either way, it doesn't matter.

[Popol Vuh]

13. Remember Madame Albright?

Remember when she was asked by Stahl of CBS's 60 Minutes with regards to effect of sanctions against Iraq:

Stahl: "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children that died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?"

Albright: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price — we think the price is worth it."

With that statement I had lost the last of my remaining respect for Clinton. Hillary's statements don't give me any encouragement that she's any different than husband.


*Sigh*

[adabfree]

15. Yowzer

Tell her to send Chelsea then...

[Uben]

34. Chelsea is not a pilot

And that kind of talk is self-defeating. Obamas plan for Iraq and Clintons are virtually the same. The main thing is we get our ground troops out of harms way. Iraqi troops have had a full three years to train and equip. If they are not ready now to take over, they never will be.

Unless you are enlisted and posting from Iraq, you have no room to talk.

[Popol Vuh]

36. The main thing

Is to STOP the killing......period!

[Popol Vuh]

43. Hmmmm

Am I the only one who thinks that this sounds like Repub "My country right or wrong", "Love it or leave it" talk?

Unless you are enlisted and posting from Iraq, you have no room to talk.

BTW, I think you'll find many here, like myself, who served in the armed forces. Former infantryman 9th Infantry Division Fort Lewis, WA. But who cares because that doesn't make me any more American than anybody else...

[adabfree]

46. I guarantee..if her child was in the service

and possibly in harms' way, she'd hesitate to agree to go to war..as would a great deal of other politicians.

I'd also venture to for her to make the statement she did and still not admit it was a mistake, is a problem and exactly why she loses on the Iraq issue.

[Popol Vuh]

49. Exactly correct

And reminds me of a scene in Michael Moore's video Fahrenheit 9/11 when he's asking politicians if they'd agree to send their own kids.

[MadHound]

53. Nice of you to so casually dismiss all of those innocents that were killed due to Bill's actions

You know, those 500,000 dead innocents due to sanctions and thrice weekly US bombing runs. Or those 75,000 plus dead innocents in Bosnia, again due to American bombing.

Some of consider much more than how many US soldiers were killed, and frankly Bill does have the blood of innocents on his hands.

It is sentiments like yours that I find disgusting. Just so long as US lives aren't taken, it's OK to bomb, bomb, bomb people to oblivion:puke:

[bread_and_roses]

61. So it's OK to incinerate and dismember children from the air?

Right. Or starve them, a la the Clinton years? That's some child advocate your defending. Real peaceful.

[krkaufman]

11. Whaddya talking about. It's a dead heat, as of Weds morning ...

... with Obama having weathered Hillary's biggest advantage, the front-loaded primaries that favor the name recognition candidate.

Now, if you wanted a candidate other than Barack or Hillary then, yes, you're screwed.

[Enrique]

12. Hillary and Obama are about the same

on war and other issues, the differences are pretty small.

[ursi]

17. ...ugh ...after 8 years, we do no better

[Rene]

18. I heard Hillary, on Monday nite, pledge to start to bring troops home

in 60 days of starting her admin. Obama voted for EVERY funding bill. He's a war monger too. He's also the tool for the Nuke industry.....if he were elected, watch for more nuke powerplants to be approved/built.

[adabfree]

21. After she voted to send them there without vetting the report

it's certainly the least she can do.

[Yossariant]

22. Yeah, Kucinich didn't have a prayer, so a War Dem has been inevitable.

[Popol Vuh]

30. Yes I had hoped some how

We could get Kucinich in the White House too. IMO the best general election race we could have had would be Dennis Kucinich vs Ron Paul with Kucinich winning.

But oh well....we could of also had a good chance at re-legalization of pot. *sigh*


:)

[Perry Logan]

25. Of course Hillary is not a "war Dem." But at least you know when you're whipped.

[boricua79]

38. she is lighting rod of "war Dems".

and she refuses to apologize, like John Edwards did. That's so arrogant of her.

ANd it WAS a war vote. She's a lying coward for not admitting that. She didnt' want to be on the wrong side of the population's sensibilities, since it seemed the war was going to be a huge success and a massive orgy for the war-hungry American public (at the time). When things got raw, and all the naysayers were proven right and momentum shifted to the anti-war contigent, THEN she started the crap about "if I knew then what I know now" shit.

say what you want about Obama...he VOTED NO.

[adabfree]

40. Exactly she was a coward in that instance

She took the easy way out...there were other Dems that voted against that war...despite the pressure put on them...and despite the flag of fake patriotism the Repub tried to drape it in.

[RestoreGore]

32. How do you know Obama is against war?

Being against Iraq, especially if you were planning to run for president by doing so isn't being anti-war.

[boricua79]

35. have faith, it's not over

She did get a few victories with New YOrk, New Jersey and California, but he won more states than she did, and in all the upcoming primaries, he's the favorite. Plus he has a bigger warchest and a chance to become better known.

Super Tuesday's states were Hilllary's strongest. If anything...she's the one that's peaked. He has a chance to overcome the small lead in delegates with the upcoming primaries.

It's still a horse race, and the upcoming battles all seem to favor him.

[adabfree]

42. Exactly

Super Tuesday was her best shot...

He's got the money and the momentum...and the across the board appeal...

[Popol Vuh]

48. I sure hope so boricua

BTW, I like you above post. It was right on the money... Well said...

[adabfree]

52. I love your post too...

thanks

[boricua79]

62. thank you!

:hug: :grouphug: