I knew that many (black?) posters were wrong a few weeks ago...

[skooooo]

The conventional wisdom among some people several weeks ago was that white people wouldn't vote for Obama. My sense was that many of these posters, who support Obama were black because they thought race would play a big role in keeping white people from voting for Obama.

I wanted to speak up and say, YOU'RE WRONG! I didn't think that race would keep white voters away. I think I was right now. From yesterday, I think the numbers show that Obama got 44% of the white vote. That may not be a majority, and there may be some racism involved (MAY not definitely), but the theory that Obama can't get the white vote has been proven WRONG!

GOBAMA!

[xultar]

1. This is the primaries. When it comes to voting for President I don't think racism will

just fucking vanish.

and you say 'BLACK?' how about kissing my black ass for fuck sake. In the past few years we've had black people tied to the bumpers of fucking trucks and dragged to their deaths.

White people still grab their purses when they see a black person coming

White people still question getting on an elevator alone with black folk

White people are still buying property to prevent black families from moving next door.

Black folks still can't catch cabs

Black folks get sub par healthcare and receive less pain medication

You think that shit is just going to vanish becaues of Obama? PHUHLEEZ.

FUCK NO

IF a white guy won't allow his pure pink little baby white daughter to date a black man you think they are going to vote for one to be president.


And, if you question my blackness again and I swear you'll never evah live that shit down.

[skooooo]

2. wtf ever

Take a lude.

[xultar]

3. Again...you like black folk when they are voting for Obama, when they are telling you that racism

exists you WTF ever

take a lude?

kiss my black ass.

[skooooo]

6. you don't even make sense

Continue the discussion on your own. You're on my ignore list.

[Colobo]

8. Obama will be the next president, that's what matter.

[xultar]

10. You think with all the racist shit going on in the US today...a black man can be president?

I just don't believe it. With that said, I'm voting for the nominee,

But I can't see a regular old white person who still believes the stereotypes voting for a black man. There are so many more of them then there are of us.

People have called the cops on my dad when he's driving around in his mercedes...thinking he stole it.

That shit happens EVERY DAY...and you think with all that shit..little shit happening every day they are going to allow a black man to win?

[skooooo]

13. do the numbers lie?

White people voted for Obama. Believe it! It's real, and I'm not all that surprised about it. Sorry that you are.

[xultar]

15. I thought I was on ignore. And the Primaries please. Kerry won the primaries.

[scheming daemons]

16. I dont see your America....

....

You are right about white people that are over 50.


Those under 50 grew up in a different age, and are MUCH MUCH less racist than their parents and grandparents.

The exit polling bears this out. Obama is WINNING among whites that are under 50, not just holding his own.



The stuff you talk about is a relic of the "old guard". In 50 years, most of the racists will have died off.


It's a new age. I'm a white man, 41 years old, and I haven't run into a single white person who has a problem with Obama's race. Not one.

[xultar]

24. I'm confronted on a day to day basis by white folk...that I am black. They remind me

by grabbing their purses, staring at me when I get gas, locking their car doors when I walk by.
following me in stores,
etc...

When that shit goes away and people don't react to me because of my colour then great.

When they aren't putting black boys in jail for having oral sex with white girls...then call me.

You think with all that crap going on they are willing to vote for a black man to run the country? Puhleez.

[treestar]

17. I agree but wonder if those people weren't going to vote Rethug anyway

Do you think there are such people who would have voted for the Democrat otherwise? And this would apply to Hillary too. Those same people, and some of them may be other than white, will never believe a woman can do it.

[Marrah_G]

19. Honestly Xultar, I don't know.

They said a black man could never be Gov in MA. But it happened. On the other hand I think you have a really valid argument.

I wish this whole conversation was looked on with the same absurdity that one would think of if someone said a brown-eyed person could never be president. Maybe someday.

[pampango]

30. You may be right about the prospects of a Black man becoming president, but letting racists

tell us what to do is not the answer either.

To some extent this is a "chicken and the egg" issue. You would say "You can't elect a Black president because of racism." Another might say "Electing a Black will help us deal with racism."

Your opinion is as good as mine. Perhaps "Now is not the time." "This election is too important." These beg the questions "When will the time be right? And how will we know if the time is ever right, unless someone actually tries." I am sure that women, African Americans, and other minorities have heard "The time is not right" and "There are more important things at stake here. Just wait a while" more times than they wish to count.

[Silent3]

9. You may very well have a point about something, but...

...you sound like you're arguing against someone who never posted in this thread, against a predefined enemy of yours who may be real out there in the world somewhere, but who isn't the actual person who posted here.

[xultar]

14. I'm informing the OP who questions the blackness of posters who say Obama can't win.in the GE.

Fuck the primaries. It's a dream I'm talking about the GE.

i'm reminding the OP that racism still exists and when push come s to shove...and they go to the voting booth, racism will win...again.

And the poster questioned the 'blackness' of posters who stated a particular point of view.

That fuckin shit pissed me the fuck off.

I HATE it when white people do that.

[skooooo]

21. I wasn't questioning anyone's blackness...

duh.

You're an angry person looking for a reason to be angry.

[xultar]

27. Nope I'm actually quite happy and funny. I used to do standup.

[Marrah_G]

22. "Blackness" is such an absurd term.

[Silent3]

32. But he never did that.

You're so eager to pounce on someone, anyone, for "questioning your blackness" (whatever the f*ck that means) that you're apparently bound and determined that if a white person utters the word "black" in any way, shape, or form, this dreaded crime of "questioning your blackness" must have occurred.

If you want your anger to be respected -- and I'm sure you've got plenty of entirely valid reasons to be mightily pissed, some of which you've already listed -- you can't go around unleashing that anger at the slightest illusory provocation, against people who've done you no wrong.

[skooooo]

33. thank you!

sheesh


And still I say, GOBAMA!

[Marrah_G]

12. I look at my daughters generation and I think they are doing better then us on the race issue

Just as we did better then our parents.

Hopefully in a couple more generations racism and bigotry will be a shameful memory read about in history books.

[CatWoman]

20. I only have one thing to add

preach it, girl

[slor]

23. I am more hopeful than you...

the OP did not deserve your reaction at all. It is a sign of hope that we have an African American AND a Woman as our choices at all. The poster just wanted to point out that our conventional wisdom about alot of our fellow citizens may be wrong. And the young are getting more involved. Can you not feel the hope from that? Hell, your dog even voted! Feel the Hope. Feel the Change. Please?

[xultar]

26. They questioned the blackness of posters who say based on their life experiences...

that Obama can't win the GE.

I met a person who thought my blood was going to be brown not 8 years ago.

Now come on. In this country, someone thought a black persons blood was gonna be brown.

and in that short a span you think we can go to a Black president?

I think not.

[slor]

35. OK, you met a real live...

"moran" to be sure. I worked at a job, where it was not uncommon to hear the word "nigger" just 2 years ago. I know what you are saying, but my job is to not let these fucking bigots change how I SEE the world, and I want to see hope.

[1awake]

28. I'm confused...

Nothing the op stated has anything to do with what you wrote. All he/she pointed out was the statistics that Obama has the capacity to break racial lines, and in some places, won the majority of male white voters. Your "blackness" as you put it.. was not in question, nor is someones dating habits. Think before you attack someone.

[TexasObserver]

4. many blacks candidly said they didn't think he could get support

Now that he has, many blacks are ready to go with him.

Can't blame them for holding back.

[slor]

5. It certainly...

colored my opinion. Now, mind you, I do not want to see the world that way, but my experience tells me that the reality is otherwise. It lead me to support Edwards, as well as his populist positions, but since he dropped out I have decided on Obama, who was always my second choice.

[xultar]

7. I love it. When a black woman speaks up and calls bullshit she ends up on ignore.

:rofl:

[skooooo]

11. xultar

You're not on my ignore list, but I don't see why you have to be so hostile. Would you rather that 40+% whites not vote for Obama? What is the problem? I didn't say that racism didn't exist, you brought all that into the discussion which was about people voting for Obama. That's all.

[xultar]

18. You questioned my blackness...and the blackness of others. I HATE THAT SHIT!

[slor]

29. You were fine skooooo...

you did not deserve that reaction at all. And I say that with all my proud Blackness!

[cooolandrew]

25. Exactly, but even more important he can win the south. WTG Barack! nt

[cooolandrew]

31. Loads of Republicnas are ready to jump ship for Barack to win the GE too.

[Apollo11]

34. Here on DU we have no choice but to be "color blind"

If I tell you I am black, does that make me black? :eyes:

Think about it.

[xultar]

36. I would like to apologise to SKoooo for being an asshole. I'll PM also

when I apologise I like to do it in public and in private.

[slor]

37. Glad to hear...

Sorry for my 2 cents worth, but you are making a good choice, skooooo did not deserve that. But you are also showing your magnanimousness by apologizing. People also show hope when they make an apology. Are you feeling the hope?

[xultar]

38. Nope. Are you kidding. From what I see. I find it very difficult to believe all the racist shit

going down on a daily basis that enough white people are going to allow a black man to be president now.

I'm just not feeling it.

[Elspeth]

39. I'm with xultar on this. I worry about the GE for BOTH of our candidates

The Republicans for many years have been playing a subtle racism game in getting voter support. And the abortion issue is certainly in great part about "putting women in their place."

I think either candidate will have an uphill battle with Republican voter. And yes, racism will rear its ugly head. Just because no one has come out with overt racist speech against Obama doesn't mean the feelings aren't there. There are lots of Repugs who listened happily to Don Imus and to Limbaugh, calling NOLA MAyor Nagin "Mayor Nager". And I don't have to tell you what the pugs say about Hillary CLinton.

What does cheer me up is that independents, who will probably sway the GE, seem to like Obama and might abandon McCain for Obama on election day.

But don't mistake Obama's wins among Democrats for potential Republican support.

[xultar]

40. I hope Obama wins the Nom just so race in this fuckin country gets on the table.

So people can be put face to face with the depths of their racist feelings.

Everything is fine with blacks until, we move into their neighborhoods, start dating their children, wanting them to invite us over to their homes for dinner, etc.

[Elspeth]

41. You think people really want to look at the depth of their racist feelings?

I think people like keeping the prejudices they have. That's why I despair. :(