can someone please clarify "Super Delegates" and "Brokered Convention"? TIA nt

[fed-up]

[K Gardner]

1. Super Delegates = Plan A for the Clintons to Regain Control of the WH

[electron_blue]

4. The reality is superdelegates exist. I'm sure Obama and his camp know this and

are after them, too. Let's not pretend this is a super-secret weapon for Hillary.

[K Gardner]

6. No.. I agree. Its surely been no secret, that and the MI and FL stuff has been front and center :-)

[electron_blue]

8. You know what really stinks is that many people didn't go to the polls in Fla

and presumably in Mi bcs they were told their votes didn't matter and in the end their states delegates may end up being seated. Very deceptive. My mom stayed home for this reason.

I keep thinking that in the end, whoever the democratic party leaders want to win the nomination is going to win the nomination, period. And we the voters don't have much control over the shuffling of the votes from FL, MI and superdelegates anyway.

[K Gardner]

13. I'm 100% in agreement with you on all points. I'd have NO problem with seating MI and FL if it had

been a FAIR primary. But this is beyond ridiculous and certainly not part of any democratic process I've ever heard of. They want to seat the delegates.. fine.. let the candidates campaign and let the people vote without telling them "IT DOESNT COUNT" and with all candidates names on the freakin ballot. Also agree that who we get, in the end, is who the DLC/DNC wants. Period.

[K Gardner]

2. Brokered Convention = Plan B for the Clintons to Regain Control of the White House

[BOSSHOG]

3. Brokered convention

would occur if no candidate has enough delegate votes to get the nomination so there will be brokering going on, horsetrading if you will, trading of delegates, deals given for votes etc until someone gets the necessary numbers to be nominated. I'm not too clear on super delegates.

[LiberalFighter]

12. Which is why it would help for Edwards to gain some more delegates.

[tekisui]

5. Super Delegates are party leaders.

Democrats in Congress, the Senate, governors, former Senators, etc.

They get a delegate vote at the convention, and are not bound to how voters from their districts voted. In essence, they get a weighted vote. They can vote for whomever they chose.

Of the 4061 delegates total, 796 are Super delegates.

A couple hundred or so have indicated who they want to vote for (ie Ted Kennedy for Obama). THey are not bound to that, and can change anytime until they vote at the convention.

[burythehatchet]

7. Superdelegates are those authorized to put party before country.

[fed-up]

9. Magic Rat posted this list of super delegates

hmmm...war whore Feinstein for Clinton, what a surprise...not

26 CA super delegates for Clinton, 9 for Obama

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4432688
Magic Rat (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-06-08 06:52 AM
Original message
Want To Know Who These Superdelegates Are? Here's A List....

FOR HILLARY CLINTON...

DNC Patti Higgins (AK)
DNC Joe Reed (AL)
Gov. Tagiola Tulafono (AS)
DNC Fagafaga Langkilde (AS)
DNC Deanna Fuimaono (AS)
DNC Nathaniel Savali (AS)
Rep. Ed Pastor (AZ)
DNC Joe Rios (AZ)
DNC Janice C. Brunson (AZ)
Hon. Carolyn Warner (AZ)
Gov. Mike Beebe (AR)
Sen. Mark Pryor (AR)
Rep. Marion Berry (AR)
Rep. Mike Ross (AR)
Rep. Vic Snyder (AR)
DNC Don Beavers (AR)
DNC Martha Dixon (AR)
DNC Karla Bradley (AR)
Sen. Diane Feinstein (CA)
Rep. Maxine Waters (CA)
Rep. Joe Baca (CA)
Rep. Doris Matsui (CA)
Rep. Mike Thompson (CA)
Rep. Lynn Woolsey (CA)
Rep. John Lewis (GA)
Rep. Dennis Cardoza (CA)
Rep. Jane Harman (CA)
Rep. Tom Lantos (CA)
Rep. Grace Napolitano (CA)
Rep. Laura Richardson (CA)
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA)
Rep. Brad Sherman (CA)
Rep. Hilda Solis (CA)
Rep. Ellen Tauscher (CA)
Rep. Diane Watson (CA)
DNC Alice Huffman (CA)
DNC Alicia Wang (CA)
DNC Rosalind Wyman (CA)
Rep. Loretta Sanchez (CA)
DNC Charles Manatt (CA)
DNC Kamil Hasan (CA)
DNC Mona Pasquil (CA)
DNC Mirian Saez (CA)
DNC Hon. Maria Echaveste (CA)
Rep. Diane DeGette (CO)
DNC Manny Rodriguez (CO)
DNC Maria Handley (CO)
DNC Ramona Martinez (CO)
DNC Ellen Camhi (CT)
Gov. Ruth Ann Minner (DE)
DNC Rhett Ruggerio (DE)
DNC Karen Valentine (DE)
DNC Mary Eva Candon (DC)
DNC Yolanda Caraway (DC)
DNC Hartina Flournoy (DC)
DNC Harold Ickes (DC)
DNC Ben Johnson (DC)
DNC Eric Kleinfeld (DC)
DNC Minyon Moore (DC)
DNC Elizabeth Smith (DC)
DNC Marilyn Tyler Brown (DC)
DNC Gerald McEntee (DC)
DNC Carol Pensky (DC)
Sen. Bill Nelson (FL)
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL)
Rep. Alcee Hastings (FL)
Rep. Corrine Brown (FL)
Rep. Kendrick Meek (FL)
DNC Raul Martinez (FL)
Rep. David Scott (GA)
Michael Thurmond (GA)
Sen. Daniel Inouye (HI)
DNC John Rednour (IL)
Sen. Evan Bayh (IN)
DNC Joe Andrew (IN)
DNC Dan Parker (IN)
DNC Phoebe Crane (IN)
DNC Bob Pastrick (IN)
Rep. Leonard Boswell (IA)
DNC Sandy Opstvedt (IA)
DNC Teresa Krusor (KS)
Gov. John Balducci (ME)
DNC Ken Curtis (ME)
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (MD)
Gov. Martin O'Malley (MD)
Rep. CA Dutch Ruppersberger (MD)
DNC Nancy Kopp (MD)
Rep. Richard Neal (MA)
Rep. Jim McGovern (MA)
Rep. Barney Frank (MA)
Rep. Stephen Lynch (MA)
DNC Steven Grossman (MA)
Dr. Elaine Kamarck (MA)
DNC Diane Saxe (MA)
Gov. Jennifer Granholm (MI)
Hon. John Cherry (MI)
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (MI)
Rep. Sander Levin (MI)
DNC Joel Ferguson (MI)
DNC Debbie Dingell (MI)
VP Walter Mondale (MN)
DNC Jackie Stevenson (MN)
DNC Rick Stafford (MN)
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II (MO)
Fmr. Rep. Dick Gephardt (MO)
DNC Doug Brooks (MO)
DNC Sandy Querry (MO)
Rep. Shelley Berkley (NV)
DNC Dina Titus (NV)
DNC Gaeten DiGangi (NH)
DNC Anita Freedman (NH)
Gov. Jon Corzine (NJ)
Sen. Robert Menendez (NJ)
Rep. Robert Andrews (NJ)
Rep. Frank Pallone (NJ)
Rep. Bill Pascrell (NJ)
Rep. Albio Sires (NJ)
DNC Joseph DeCotiis (NJ)
DNC Dana Redd (NJ)
Rep. Donald Payne (NJ)
DNC Joe Cryan (NJ)
DNC Tonio Burgos (NJ)
DNC June Fisher (NJ)
Hon. Diane Denish (NM)
DNC Hon. Martin Chavez (NM)
DNC Mary Gail Gwaltney (NM)
Gov. Eliot Spitzer (NY)
President Bill Clinton (NY)
Sen. Hillary Clinton (NY)
Sen. Chuck Schumer (NY)
Rep. Gary Ackerman (NY)
Rep. Michael Arcuri (NY)
Rep. Timothy Bishop (NY)
Rep. Joseph Crowley (NY)
Rep. Eliot Engel (NY)
Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand (NY)
Rep. John Hall (NY)
Rep. Brian Higgins (NY)
Rep. Maurice Hinchey (NY)
Rep. Steve Israel (NY)
Rep. Nita Lowey (NY)
Rep. Carolyn Maloney (NY)
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (NY)
Rep. Michael McNulty (NY)
Rep. Gregory Meeks (NY)
Rep. Jerrold Nadler (NY)
Rep. Charles Rangel (NY)
Richard Schaffer (NY)
Rep. Jose Serrano (NY)
Rep. Louise Slaughter (NY)
Rep. Edolphus Towns (NY)
Rep. Nydia Velazquez (NY)
Rep. Anthony Weiner (NY)
Rep. Yvette D. Clarke (NY)
DNC June O'Neill (NY)
DNC Dave Pollak (NY)
DNC Randi Weingarten (NY)
DNC Vivian Cook (NY)
DNC Emily Giske (NY)
DNC Judith Hope (NY)
DNC Maria Luna (NY)
DNC Sheldon Silver (NY)
DNC Robert Zimmerman (NY)
DNC Hon. David Paterson (NY)
DNC Susan Burgess (NC)
Gov. Ted Strickland (OH)
Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (OH)
DNC Betty McElderry (OK)
Gov. Ted Kulongoski (OR)
Rep. Darlene Hooley (OR)
Gov. Ed Rendell (PA)
DNC Hon. TJ Rooney (PA)
Rep. Joe Sestak (PA)
Rep. Allyson Schwartz (PA)
Rep. Paul Kanjorsky (PA)
DNC Rena Baumgartner (PA)
DNC Jean Milko (PA)
DNC Roberto Prats Palerm (PR)
DNC Kenneth McClintock (PR)
DNC Francisco Domenec (PR)
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (RI)
Rep. Jim Langevin (RI)
DNC David Cicilline (RI)
DNC William Lynch (RI)
DNC Mark Weiner (RI)
DNC Don Fowler (SC)
DNC Marva Smalls (SC)
DNC Bill Owen (TN)
DNC Elisa Parker (TN)
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (TX)
Rep. Henry Cuellar (TX)
DNC Sue Lovell (TX)
DNC Senfronia Thompson (TX)
DNC Denise Johnson (TX)
Rep. Ruben Hinojosa (TX)
Rep. Silvestre Reyes (TX)
Rep. Gene Green (TX)
Rep. Solomon Ortiz (TX)
DNC Hon. Karen Hale (UT)
DNC Helen Langan (UT)
DNC Terry McAuliffe (VA)
DNC Jennifer McClellan (VA)
DNC Mame Reiley (VA)
DNC Lionel Spruill Sr. (VA)
DNC Susan Swecker (VA)
Del. Donna M Christensen (VI)
Sen. Maria Cantwell (WA)
Sen. Patty Murray (WA)
Rep. Jay Inslee (WA)
Former Speaker Tom Foley (WA)
DNC Ron Sims (WA)
Rep. Tammy Baldwin (WI)
DNC Tim Sullivan (WI)


FOR OBAMA...

Obama
Rep. Artur Davis (AL)
Del. Eni FH Faleomavaga (AS)
Gov. Janet Napolitano (AZ)
Rep. Raul Grijalva (AZ)
Rep. Anna Eshoo (CA)
Rep. Xavier Becerra (CA)
Rep. Barbara Lee (CA)
Rep. Adam Schiff (CA)
Rep. George Miller (CA)
Rep Zoe Lofgren (CA)
Rep. Linda Sanchez (CA)
DNC Hon. Eric Garcetti (CA)
DNC Norma Torres (CA)
Rep. Ed Perlmutter (CO)
DNC Dan Slater (CO)
Debbie Marquez (CO)
DNC JW Postal (CO)
Rep. Chris Murphy (CT)
Rep. John Larson (CT)
DNC Stephen Fontana (CT)
DNC Martin Dunleavy (CT)
Rosa DeLauro (CT)
Mayor Adrian Fenty (DC)
DNC Dr. James Zogby (DC)
DNC Arrington Dixon (DC)
Rep. Robert Wexler (FL)
DNC Allan Katz (FL)
Rep. Sanford Bishop (GA)
Rep. Hank Johnson (GA)
Mayor Shirley Franklin (GA) **
Rep. Neil Abercrombie (HI)
DNC Hon. Gail Bray (ID)
DNC Grant Burgoyne (ID)
Gov. Rod Blagojevich (IL)
Sen. Barack Obama (IL)
Sen. Dick Durbin (IL)
Rep. Melissa Bean (IL)
Rep. Jerry Costello (IL)
Rep. Danny Davis (IL)
Rep. Luis Gutierrez (IL)
Rep. Phil Hare (IL)
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (IL)
Rep. Bobby Rush (IL)
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (IL)
DNC Constance Howard (IL)
DNC Margaret Blackshere (IL)
DNC Hon. Emil Jones Jr. (IL)
DNC Hon. Iris Martinez (IL)
DNC Tom Hynes (IL)
DNC Willie Barrow (IL)
DNC Michael Madigan (IL)
Rep. Dave Loebsack (IA)
DNC Michael Fitzgerald (IA)
Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (KS)
E. Lee Kinch (KS)
Rep. Albert Wynn (MD)
Rep. Elijah Cummings (MD)
DNC Karren Pope-Onwukwe (MD)
Gov. Deval Patrick (MA)
Sen. John Kerry (MA)
Sen. Ted Kennedy (MA)
Rep. William Delahunt (MA)
Rep. Michael Capuano (MA)
DNC Alan Solomont (MA)
Rep. John Conyers (MI)
Rep. Jim Oberstar (MN)
Rep. Keith Ellison (MN)
Rep. Betty McCollum (MN)
Hon. Mee Moua (MN)
Rep. Bennie Thompson (MS)
DNC Johnnie Patton (MS)
Sen. Claire McCaskill (MO)
Rep. Russ Carnahan (MO)
Rep. Lacy Clay (MO)
Sen. Ben Nelson (NE)
Rep. Steve Rothman (NJ)
DNC Steven Horsford (NV)
Rep. Carol Shea-Porter (NH)
Rep. Paul Hodes (NH)
DNC Hon. Martha Fuller Clark (NH)
Fmr DNC Chair Fred Harris (NM)
Rep. G.K. Butterfield (NC)
DNC Everett Ward (NC)
Sen. Kent Conrad (ND)
Rep. Earl Pomeroy (ND)
DNC Jim Maxson (ND)
DNC Mary Wakefield (ND)
DNC Kitti Asbury - (OK)
Rep. Earl Blumenauer (OR)
Rep. Patrick Murphy (PA)
Rep. Chaka Fattah (PA)
Rep. Patrick Kennedy (RI)
DNC Waring Howe Jr. (SC)
Sen. Tim Johnson (SD)
Fmr Sen. Tom Daschle (SD)
Rep. Jim Cooper (TN)
Rep. Steve Cohen (TN)
DNC Lois DeBerry (TN)
Rep. Al Green (TX)
DNC Moses Mercado (TX)
DNC Bill Orton (UT)
Sen. Patrick Leahy (VT)
Rep. Peter Welch (VT)
Gov. Tim Kaine (VA)
Rick Boucher (VA)
Rep. Bobby Scott (VA)
Gov. John P. deJongh, Jr. (VI)
Rep. Adam Smith (WA)
Pat Notter (WA)
Rep. Gwen Moore (WI)
Gov. Jim Doyle (WI)
DNC Peter Jorgenson (WY)
DNC John Millin (WY)

[Apollo11]

10. Try wikipedia

www.wikipedia.com

[fed-up]

11. and a link to RethugAssKicker's post shortly before mine-some good answers here also

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4432863

Pardon me....but WTF is a Super delegate??

TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-06-08 07:03 AM
Response to Original message
5. Superdelegates have been around for a long time

Basically, the Democratic Party is terrified of actual democracy so they rigged a system that allows party insiders to have a good chance at overriding an "inappropriate" caucus/primary vote for the Presidential nominee. The Republican Party does not have superdelegates.

and

dmosh42 (589 posts) Wed Feb-06-08 07:09 AM
Response to Original message
7. Meets the formula- DLC+Big Corporations=Superdelegate n/t

and

K Gardner (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-06-08 07:10 AM
Response to Original message
8. SD = A Way to Make Certain the Establishment Candidate Wins, despite what the people want.

and finally the BINGO answer

PDittie (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-06-08 07:14 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. That's correct, and the number sometimes includes

members of the DNC who aren't elected officials, and state representatives and senators too.

The ultimate insider. No accountability to anyone. The fact that you have to ask tells you all you need to know about how secret they like to keep it.

[Window]

14. Confusing, isn't it.

I had to google both to get an answer I could understand.



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