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Wed Feb-06-08 10:37 AM
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If it goes to convention (as seems likely) both candidates will wind up on ticket |
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the question is which one will be the presidential and which the vice presidential nominee. I truly believe this is a true possibility. Obama will come to believe that he will need HRC's older women and latino voters while HRC will realize she needs to make inroads with younger voters, independents and African-Americans.
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Wed Feb-06-08 10:39 AM
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1. If Hillary is at the top yes.....if Obama then no. |
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He is running on "let's turn the page"
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Wed Feb-06-08 10:39 AM
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2. I think it would be an unbeatable ticket. |
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Wed Feb-06-08 10:59 AM
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8. Definitely an Unbeatable Ticket. Together they bring in Everyone...alone |
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Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 11:00 AM by KoKo01
they pick up segments of the population.
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Wed Feb-06-08 10:40 AM
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3. This is going to be ugly, I just don't see a unity ticket. |
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Obama's message is premised on change has been fundamentally opposed to "politics as usual". Last night, he specifically called out Hillary as part of the politics of the past. I don't think Obama is interested in running on a ticket with her in either position.
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Wed Feb-06-08 11:14 AM
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13. there is something to be said for working for change within the party |
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O can negotiate from a position of strength for added responsibility's as VP
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Wed Feb-06-08 11:43 AM
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17. A woman is a huge change -- why is that invisible to Obama's young turks? |
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:02 PM
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21. I think because a change of gender is not the kind of change he's talking about. |
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Not to diminish the social impact of what it would mean to have a female president, but the kind of change Obama is talking about is a change in how our government works -- ending the dominance of lobbyists, for example, which Hillary refuses to do, and uniting us as a nation again, which is something Hillary -- as polarizing a figure as she is -- cannot offer. Hillary really does represent a continuation of the mindset that got us into this war, at least she does to me and many others, and that's why she doesn't represent the kind of change Obama and his supporters believe the country needs.
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:40 PM
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25. Obama's change seems a mindless mantra |
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Wed Feb-06-08 10:42 AM
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4. I just don't see that happening. Whatever votes/voters each may need |
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Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 10:43 AM by mcscajun
there's been too much division between them for that kind of healing to take place, and neither looks to be willing to take any kind of back seat to the other.
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Wed Feb-06-08 11:16 AM
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15. i said that too untill the CA debate... don't they look good together? |
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Wed Feb-06-08 11:22 AM
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16. All I can say to that is: Looks aren't everything. |
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Appearance matters, yes. Scratch either one of them, and you'll see a different picture.
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:38 PM
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24. This isn't for king and queen of the prom |
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:58 PM
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26. I was talking about the 'hug' & chat at the Debate in CA----- |
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Wed Feb-06-08 11:44 AM
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18. JFK & LBJ were bitter enemies, but they won together |
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:01 PM
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20. True, but there were still party bosses in those days controlling everything behind the scenes. |
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Brokered conventions were the norm, and deadly serious business. Party bosses wielded power in a way that superdelegates just don't...at least not so far.
My bet still goes against a Unity ticket.
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Wed Feb-06-08 10:45 AM
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Wed Feb-06-08 10:48 AM
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6. Great...then I won't even have the possibility of a VP to motivate me |
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Wed Feb-06-08 10:50 AM
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7. I think each should offer it to the other, but I don't think either will accept. |
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The offer will help heal any wounds, I hope.
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Wed Feb-06-08 11:01 AM
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9. One thing to consider.... Cheney has certainly proved the veep can be powerful. |
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Wed Feb-06-08 11:02 AM
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10. Yeah, and it only took, you know, massive Constitutional violations to do it |
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which is a practice that one would certainly hope the Democrats take up.
Seperation of powers is for sissies.
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Wed Feb-06-08 11:04 AM
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11. I'm not advocating it. It's awful. I don't see the Democrats giving up |
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these new powers that the presidency has accrued/stolen under Bush. I think this is the main reason impeachment is off the table. The dems want this power when they're in office next year (assuming they're in).
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Wed Feb-06-08 11:15 AM
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14. Then we had damn sure better be screaming IMPEACH! if they do |
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Wed Feb-06-08 11:09 AM
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12. I think it is possible but I think that if it happens it |
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will be because of pressure from Ted Kennedy and others in the Democratic establishment, which I think is a distinct possibilty. They all must know that each one attracts certain voters but not so much others, and supporting just one candidate could risk alienating the supporters of the candidate that does not come out on top. So I think that when all this ends, even if THEY don't want to they may both be asked to suck it up for the good of the party and so we can win in Nov.
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Wed Feb-06-08 11:45 AM
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19. Ted Kennedy showed he has no legs any more |
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:04 PM
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22. Hillary will be at the top because she's older. Obama could then run for Prez after serving 8 years |
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:05 PM
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23. I do not believe Clinton would accept the VP slot. |
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