To the stupid IDIOTS who think HRC wins in big states are telling! DEMs do not need help in MA/NY/CA

[Nimrod2005]

In the General, any Democratic nominee would be epxcted to win MA, CA, NY...etc.

The idiots are mostly in the MSM this morning...Trying to tell you that Hillary won the big states...etc. Here is what we know, the facts:

Obama did just fine with white voters: THIS IS BIG NEWS! He won by a 2-1 margin in places like UTAH and Idaho.

Furthermore, and more importantly: Obama won in Colorado and NM!!! Way impressive BECAUSE of the hispanic votes.

Nutshell: race is not an issue for Obama - move on!

More:

Obama kicked ass in places where Democrats NEED to be strong in November: The western states, the mountain region, I am so impressed with his showing in Mountain time zone! This is to be celebrated by ALL Democrats, we need these states to win in November, he attracted whites and latinos, and he kicked her ass!

In the South, Obama did just fine, thank you.

Missouri: this is a real bell weather state, and he WON IT folks! Flat out beat her there, it is a big state too!

Places like Kansas and Delaware are just gravy!

Finally, he beat her in her won backyard too: CT!

I am not trying to compare Obama to Hillary necessarily, but Obama's OVERALL exceptional performance last night speaks for itself...Don't let the dumb fucking pundits (and others) tell you otherwise.

OBAMA IS FOR REAL, he is our strongest candidate BY FAR. I am glad he has the money to solidify his position going forward.

[K Gardner]

1. To be fair, Obama's margins of victory in MO and CT were razor thin. Overall, however,

I do think he did well and exceeded expectations !

[Iwasthere]

4. uh, he won more delegates and more states

A HUGH win !!

[Nimrod2005]

8. I understand, but my observations still stand

[skipos]

2. Some of us liked the electoral successes of Dukakis

and want to repeat it in 08 with Hillary!!!

[Straight Shooter]

3. So basically you're saying those voters' opinions don't count.

As far as Missouri being a bellweather state, you understand that none of the rules apply this election. None of them. Everything is upside down and inside out.

One could argue that Kansas is sympathetic to Barack because of his mother as a reason for his success there. It would be interesting to see a poll which asks if that had any influence.

[mtnsnake]

6. I'm glad you could figure out what he was saying

If you could decipher his thread title, you must be a code breaker or something.

[Straight Shooter]

10. I don't like voters in any state being taken for granted.

And I'm also getting weary of hearing the terms "stupid idiots" and "kick ass." It's becoming a mantra for some people on DU.

[okasha]

5. Obama "kicked ass"

in states that will go red in the general.

Sorry, but CO is basically Dobson country--very evangelical/fundie, very conservative on land rights. Idaho, North Dakota and Alaska likewise. Utah, not evangelical but Mormon, and otherwise likewise. Kansas keeps making creationism its official policy every couple years. Obama's winning conservative Dems against a liberal Dem opponent does not translate to his winning conservative Dems and Republicans against a Republican nominee.

[Straight Shooter]

7. The problem with trying to assess Democratic odds in Colorado

Dobson hates McCain. So we don't really know how much influence he will have. Will the E/F's stay home and not vote, will they cross over out of spite?

I think Dobson will get a personal God-a-gram, and endorse McCain.

[Nimrod2005]

9. No no no, that's my point, Independents and some Pukes are voting for him!!!

[Straight Shooter]

12. Independents and Repubs are also very willing to vote for McCain.

It's going to come down to the issue of national security. That will be, sadly, the battlecry from the GOP again, despite the floundering of the economy.

[robbedvoter]

14. or rather , against Hillary. They wouldn't vote for him in GE, not HIS voters

[mtnsnake]

15. That's the harsh reality of it

despite what the dreamers in La La Land think.

[okasha]

21. And you're willing to have non-Democrats choose

the Democratic nominee?

Why?

[Nimrod2005]

28. Why not get all the help we can...And over 60 in the Senate!!!

[okasha]

30. Does it occur to you

that a Republican voting for a Democratic nominee may not have the best interests of the Democratic Party at heart?

I know a number of Republicans who regularly cross over and vote in the Texas Democratic primary, then vote Republican in the general. At least some of Obama's Republican supporters are voting for the candidate they think the Republican nominee can beat.

This is not good.

[Hawkeye-X]

18. Um, don't LUMP me with Dobson, thanks.

Denver is quite liberal, and we voted 60% Obama, thanks. I understand the People's Republic of Boulder also voted 60%+ for Obama as well.

El Paso County (Home of the FotF and Dobson): 70% Obama, 29% Clinton. 58% Romney 17% McCain 16% Fuckabee.

So please, try again.

[okasha]

22. Read again.

I wasn't lumping you with Dobson. I was saying that when the general comes around, Dobson et alia, as well as the land-rights crowd, will have far greater influence on how the state swings than will liberal Democrats, or even conservative Dems. There's no evidence at this point that CO will turn blue for Obama or anyone else.

[Hawkeye-X]

25. Dobson will be largely ignored....

and we'll present real change around here - if Dems could convince Ritter to start taxing FotF very very heavily (just to get rid of them), remove the Ronald Reagan Highway sign past the El Paso border on I-25, I think we'll be in pretty damn good shape.

[tridim]

26. Colorado is not a fundy state at ALL

Colorado Springs might be, but Denver is true blue. Kansas is turning purple too. Pay attention!

Your assumption that these types of states will vote Republican in the gerneral is way off base.

[okasha]

27. Can you show me some stats that support your position?

The best known predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Denver may be true blue, but it's not the whole state. The state, as a whole, tends conservative, just as most heavily military areas do. And Westerners, especially ranchers and mining industry people, tend to be very, very conservative on such things as land rights and eminent domain issues.

Purple doesn't count in the general, sorry. Electoral college is winner take all--red or blue. (Now, I agree that it shouldn't be that way, but for it not to be that way we have to amend our Constitution.)

[splat]

11. Red state wins will still be losses in Nov. -- for McCain, too

[robbedvoter]

13. Closed primary vs open primary, primary vs general

First primary vs general

A primary win in a red state does NOT mean the primary winner is more likely to take that state in generals - different voters, different choices

Open vs closed primaries
remember when dems were flirting with the idea of voting Romney in Michigan?
Obama won a lot of open states primaries - where some voters were NOT voting for him, but against Hillary (i.e - they would not vote for im in Gre if he were the nominee)

[OzarkDem]

29. Why don't these people understand this?

Primary elections are not like GE's. Winning in a state where only 10 or 30% of its voters are Dems isn't worth a hill of beans.

[Tom Rinaldo]

16. You want to talk swing states, and not just Idahos, Alabamas, and North Dakotas?

If we care about winning states that Kerry couldn't win that actually might vote for a Democrat in Novemeber, I'll give you Colorado. I'll give you Missouri also but it can not simply be ignored that Obama won over Clinton there by less than one percent - so it is a virtual tie in regards to who competes well there. Same thing for New Mexico NO MATTER WHO WINS IT. I don't think you can put NM in Obama's column yet - but whoever wins it wins it by a hair. I'll give you Iowa.

Clinton won Arkansas, she won Tennessee, she won Florida, she won Nevada, and she won Arizona. Currently she is polling far ahead of Obama in the ultimate swing state of Ohio.

Just like you point out that any Democrat will win MA, any Republican will win South Carolina.

[paulk]

17. tell me nimrod -

do you have absolutely any proof that Obama won the Colorado caucus because of the Hispanic vote?

I'm really curious to hear it, because in my precint a full third of Hillary's total was Latino. Obama got one Latino vote out of the 54 who stood for him. That's, what? 1/54th?

I realize that's a limited sample, but it's pretty hard to extropolate from there into the "facts" you state.

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[karlrschneider]

20. You probably shouldn't smoke that shit.

...

[Coexist]

23. John Kerry just spoke to this in an interview on MSNBC

he said, "the states she won, Democrats can win. Mass, NY, we have no problem there"

[Nimrod2005]

31. Great minds...

[WinkyDink]

24. Yes, a Democrat was going to win the Democratic primaries.

[jzodda]

32. Wrong Wrong Wrong

This election will come down to.....SUPRISE!

Big state FLORIDA

Big state OHIO

We win those we got this election in the bag, we lose those we are again waiting till the next election.

If you think that Obama will do any better then HRC in the heart of Red State Nation you are deluded.

[jacksonian]

33. Obama's soft support in Cal is a big problem

I think it way optimistic to make Arnold's state just fall in to the Dem category no problem.

McCain can register big there after Dem fight all the way to August, and the results there show Obama possibly fighting there.

No DEM can win the WH without California. There is no way to 270 without it. And yesterday showed it to be Hillary country. Disenchanted woman vote + McCain's appeal amoung Latinos + the fact the rank-and-file Repugs are more moderate than their whiny leaders can be a problem here, and I hope I'm wrong and there are certainly reasons I might be. But it's the lesson I got from yesterday.

[NashVegas]

34. How Much Idaho Ass Will Obama Kick

When he goes up against McCain or Romney?