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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:16 AM
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If We Had A Winner-Take-All System In Place, Clinton Would Have Won The Nomination Last Night
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 11:20 AM by Magic Rat
If you got all the delegates in the state, and you didn't need superdelegates to factor in, Clinton's win in California would have put her over the top.

OBAMA
Alabama = 52 delegates
Alaska = 13 delegates
Colorado = 55 delegates
Connectict = 48 delegates
Delaware = 15 delegates
Georgia = 87 delegates
Idaho = 18 delegates
Illinois = 153 delegates
Iowa = 45 delegates
Kansas = 32 delegates
Minnesoata = 72 delegates
Missouri = 72 delegates
New Mexico = 26 delegates
North Dakota = 13 delegates
South Carolina = 45 delegates
Utah = 23 delegates

TOTAL = 769 Delegates


CLINTON
Arizona = 56 delegates
Arkansas = 35 delegates
California = 370 delegates
Massachusettes = 93 delegates
Nevada = 25 delegates
New Hampshire = 22 delegates
New Jersey = 107 delegates
New York = 232 delegates
Oklahoma = 38 delegates
Tennessee = 68 delegates

TOTAL = 1046 Delegates.

That's a 277 delegate margin for Clinton. Take that state out of the equation and Obama would be ahead by 123 delegates.

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:17 AM
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1. Dean changed the system - to get the nominee faster. Another good one!
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:18 AM
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2. You forgot Arkansas, which went to Clinton
I'm just as glad that we award delegates proportionally.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:20 AM
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5. good catch....fixed.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:20 AM
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3. Dean didn't change anything- this was inherited from Mcauliffe
who works for Clinton btw.

And if we had a winner take all system, we would have run a different campaign
So many of you are just clueless about this process.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:20 AM
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4. We have proportional delegates as the population of states differs
by precinct.

Proportional representation is the basis.

You can go with straight popular vote voting, but the issues in all states are different and they have different concerns.
If you went to a straight popular vote then Califonia and New York would control elections.

the interests of the manufacturing communities, farming communities, etc would not really have a say so in the direction of the country.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:22 AM
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6. We have that system because of Jesse Jackson and it helps
minorities have a voice. Which is why the winner take all system is used by the Repukes and in the GE, to drown out the minority voice.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:26 AM
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7. How does she get the nomination with 1046 delegates?
A candidate needs twice that amount to be nominated.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 12:02 PM
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8. because she'd be so far ahead
that Obama couldn't catch her, unless he won every state from there on out.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 12:04 PM
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9. Um.... wouldnt the states to come ALSO be winner-take-all in your scenario?
Since Obama would be likely to win each of the next 7 states.... totalling over 300 delegates... then your premise breaks down.


Make *ALL* the states, both prior and to come, winner-take-all and re-do your math.

You have faulty assumptions, sir.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 12:07 PM
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10. Tough argument you are making. Both campaigns would have had different strategies. nm
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