Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Some conclusions following Super Tuesday

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:24 AM
Original message
Some conclusions following Super Tuesday
After South Carolina, though the pundits were marveling at Obama's rout of Clinton, the general talk was that Clinton was leading in every Super Tuesday poll and that Obama may have tagged himself with the burden of being the "Black candidate". The majority of Super Tuesday states were White (or worse, Latino) and there was some speculation as to whether or not Obama had earned a Pyrrhic victory in South Carolina. But now that day is behind us, which conclusions can we draw?

1) Obama played massive catchup

Obama came within 10 points of big, strong Clinton states like California and New Jersey, where she had her ground machine firmly established. His Illinois margin was double Clinton's New York margin. A few weeks ago, it was realistic to expect Clinton to win 18/22 states, but her winning just 8/22 was enough to give her supporters a sigh of relief. And Obama shows no signs of slowing down.

2) Obama has no problem with Whites

Obama destroyed Clinton in states west of the Mississippi, in John Edwards country. I think it's relatively safe to deduce that most of Edwards' support went to Obama, although Clinton's strength among blue-collar "lunchpail Democrats" may prove that thesis wrong. If Bill Clinton had tried to compare Obama to Jesse Jackson in order to try and peg him as the Black candidate, it failed. Nobody should question Obama's ability to draw White votes anymore.

3) Hillary dominates among Latinos and Asians

In California, I think Latinos went 60-40 for her and Asians went 70-30. Clinton won every Southwestern state (AZ, CA, NM), and that's a pretty important swing region. Ari Fleischer even suggested on CNN that if it came down to Obama and McCain, Latinos might go for McCain instead of typically rallying around the Democratic nominee. This is a headache for the Obama campaign.

4) Hillary is very popular among the traditional blue

Despite her polarizing status, Hillary is still popular in solidly blue states like NY, NJ, and CA. She somehow won the youth vote in California!

5) Republicans are desperate for a Clinton nomination

Ari Fleischer practically pleaded the Democrats to nominate Clinton, because Huckabee's resurgence shows that McCain has made too many enemies in the conservative establishment. McCain will undoubtedly be the Republican nominee, but when you have Limbaugh, Coulter, and Dobson calling for your head, it's difficult to be a party uniter. The only person who can take the heat off McCain is Hillary. Most conservatives don't have a good reason to vilify her so much, but that's the reality, and if the Democrats want to make a contest of the general election, they'll nominate Hillary; if they want a rout, they'll choose Obama.

----------------------------------------------

On the road to the nomination, who now has the ever-so-slight edge? I'd hate to tag him as a front-runner, but I'm going to say Obama. He won the expectations game on Tuesday night because everybody was talking about Clinton was positioned for a potential massacre. She did win the big states, but that was expected; what really matters were her comparatively small margins that stood in contrast to many Obama routs all over the country. New Jersey and California were won only by 10%, when polls a couple of weeks ago showed leads of over 20%. And it's a known fact that has Obama campaigns, people follow, and with a $32 million treasury, Obama stands in good shape for the next few primaries. Hillary has the momentum of winning MA and CA, but her funds are noticeably smaller, and she is not as good a campaigner as Obama. Plus, her advantage in identity politics (she has Latinos/Asians AND women, while Obama only has Blacks) will be rendered mostly moot, except in Texas. Obama has the money, the momentum, and the flow of endorsements that make him seem more viable with each passing day. But Clinton still stands strong with her strong appeal to Democrats.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:36 AM
Response to Original message
1. I agree with you assessment other than the idea that we have a frontrunner...
because we don't. The nomination is a toss up still...50/50.

My review of your points...

2. This won't stop Pat Buchanan from making off-the-wall assessments about Obama winning White votes. He seems obsessed in trying to paint Obama as the "Black candidate" and it's obvious who he wants to get the nomination.

3. The percentage of Asians is extremely low and they have no strong states where they're a big factor or play as a swing vote. But there is a SERIOUS racial divide amoung Hispanics and Blacks that needs to be talked about. Because I don't think this is simply because it's Hillary Clinton that's running. There is a LOT of friction growing bewtween these two groups in a lot of areas in this country. Obama seems to be on the losing end of this battle...and what you said about McCain is very true I fear.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. My Take
I agree with much of the conclusion but let me add

Obama could pull off a narrow win In New Meixco

Obama has to start working on making Inroads to Hispanics.

Let's acknowledge the early voting helps Hillary.Obama tends to win on actual voting days.The big
question with California will be Early Voting VS Voting on Primary Day.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 24th 2024, 11:43 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC