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Wed Feb-06-08 11:53 AM
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David Frum (hate him or not) Makes A Good Observation: |
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The economically anxious are voting for Clinton; the economically secure prefer Obama. When Obamaniacs urge Americans to vote their hopes, not their fears, they are overlooking the rather important fact that the Democratic base is made up of a lot of people with a lot of fears. http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTY4OTc3ODQ1MjY1MTNhNGIxNGY5ZGU5MWRjNmQ1NDc=
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Wed Feb-06-08 11:54 AM
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1. The Richer You Are The More Likely You Are To Be An Obama Voter |
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That's just an empirical observation...
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Wed Feb-06-08 11:56 AM
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2. I am poor and I have alot of fear. You got a problem? |
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Wed Feb-06-08 11:58 AM
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3. Life Is Tough...It's Not A Bed Of Roses |
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:10 PM
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11. thanks for that excellent video.. |
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:24 PM
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Wed Feb-06-08 11:59 AM
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4. maybe true of white folks |
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but obama is crushing it with African americans - not exactly the haves
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:00 PM
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6. But not with Hispanics - who aren't exactly haves either n/t |
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Wed Feb-06-08 07:49 PM
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:00 PM
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5. David Frum is a weaker version of Karl Rove |
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Don't believe anything he says.
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:01 PM
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7. Obama's campaign needs to talk up their large support from major economists |
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Hillary doesnt have the fire power of Obama on the economic front, its just that Obama's vast economist support hasnt been advertised to the voters very well.
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:08 PM
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Krugman is probably the most distinguished living economist who has not won a Nobel Prize:
In 1991 he (Krugman) was awarded the John Bates Clark Medal by the American Economic Association.
The biennial John Bates Clark Medal is awarded by the American Economic Association to "that American economist under the age of forty who is adjudged to have made a significant contribution to economic thought and knowledge". Named after the American Neoclassical economist John Bates Clark (1847-1938), it is considered one of the two most prestigious awards in the field of economics, along with the Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel. Following an average wait of 22 years, approximately 40% of past Medal winners have gone on to win the Bank of Sweden Prize in Economics, presented annually since 1969 at the Nobel Prize Award Ceremony in Stockholm.
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:01 PM
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8. I'll have to agree, but... |
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If voters are looking for stability over hope, why didn't they support Biden, Dodd or Richardson. And if they were so hot for economic security, why didn't they go for the guy with the economic justice message - Edwards?
The things they say that are important, and how people vote are two different things. If it weren't there'd only be one campaign strategy for every candidate.
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:05 PM
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9. Did HE use the word "obamaniacs?" |
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Or was that you magical rat? :hi:
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:14 PM
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just bizarre. shouldn't it be the other way around? i mean clinton is the corporatist, big money candidate and obama is the one closer to the populist realm.
about the only way this makes any sense to me would be if people were voting clinton because they perceive her as more experienced and that helps alleviate their fears. little do they know.
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:21 PM
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14. These voters remember 22 million new jobs when Bill was prez. |
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They're counting on Senator Clinton's recreating that job creation model.
And her "WPA" plan (No, she dodn't call it that) sounds good to them.
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:21 PM
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13. Nonsense. That's just folk wisdom. |
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People are desperate to come up with reasons that explain why votes are breaking one way or the other. The last reason was that young people were voting for Obama and older people were voting for Clinton, but in Missouri last night, the overwhelming majority of Obama's voters were older voters, according to CNN's exit polls.
Now they're peddling this idea, because it fits into the experience vs. change frame. The truth I think is much simpler than that -- Hillary has enormous name recognition and evokes for many the good feeling of the Clinton brand. Obama is, to extend the metaphor, a new product that is competing with a popular brand. This is always a hard thing to do, and ultimately, I think it's not much more complicated than that.
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:21 PM
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15. I'm hardly rich, I am white woman, I vote for Obama |
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I will not let fear of any kind rule me.
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:30 PM
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16. Has David Frum read Shock Doctrine? |
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If so, are his opinions public?
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Wed Feb-06-08 12:32 PM
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17. Fear Voting got us Bush. NT |
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:27 PM
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the less you can keep up with the news and the less you know what a disaster the Clintons really are on globalization.
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Wed Feb-06-08 07:53 PM
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21. Aren't many Obama supporters young people? |
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College kids are not economically secure, in general. I know I wasn't, when I had to work in very low-paid jobs when I was in college, and education wasn't nearly as incredibly expensive in my college days as it is now.
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Wed Feb-06-08 08:03 PM
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22. Obama Voters are "symbolic" voters |
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I think the great divide between Obama voters and Clinton voters is that Obama voters mostly see the presidency as a symbolic institution. Many are angry at Clinton over her vote in Iraq, because they believe that it's symbolic of something. I'm not sure what. Never mind that there is no difference between Clinton's voting record and Obama's since he came to the Senate. Never mind that Clinton and Obama have pretty much the same views about how to go forward from here. They just can't give over that one vote.
I think Clinton voters are much more "bottom line" action and consequence oriented. They care about the concrete difference government will make. And they see Clinton as a mastery of concrete plans that have the possibility of making a concrete difference in real peoples lives.
One of the reasons that the more upscale voters tend toward Obama is that they don't really need the government to do that much for them in particular. But they do want a government that expresses their values. So their care much more about the poetry than the prose, I think, in this campaign.
Personally, I'm an upscale guy. But I can't stand messianic politicians who are basically hardly anything but their own narratives.
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